Perhaps it was the word "kill" that put you on the predator tangent. Human nature is not purely good ... nor is it learned.
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Perhaps you might want to explain your thoughts. How can you prove that human nature is set in stone, and does not change with the type of society? Can you show me that humans are naturally selfish, aggressive, and greedy? Keep in mind that the last 10,000 years of human history is not an accurate enough representation of the entire existence of mankind.
Because I cannot read your mind and know precisely the thoughts and intentions behind your words, interpreting is all I have, and alot of interpreting I have to do to figure out what your on to.
Just so you know, evolution does not typically take place over the course of 1000s of years, rather it progressess along hundreds of thousands of years at a time.
Maybe you should concentrate on the words and not what you perceive lurks between them.
That's a question ... not a statement in need of interpretation.
I happen to believe a society works best with a combination of socialism and capitalism. One feeds from the bottom and one feeds from the top.
I answered your question. The behaviour of animals, including humans, is a response to the material conditions within which they are found.
Socialism and capitalism cannot coexist. Capitalism depends on the exploitation of workers for the production of wealth, whereas socialism gives workers the control over the wealth they produce.
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You've had real-world experience that contradicts with his/her arguments?
I want to hear about this :lol:
How does one take ownership of abstract products such as computer code or ideas, or anything where a tangible "product" is not the end result?
Good question. Currently there are many colborative software systems out there. Linux and wikipedia are just two off the top of my head. In a socialist society, all information, software, computure code, and ideas would be free and open for all to use and contribute to. This is in opposition to the situation we have now where information is owned, controlled, and commodified.
Socialism will allow humanity to share and develope ideas like we never have before. Because all wealth, even intangible wealth would be free for everyone, no monopoly over information could occur, and thus ideas and solutions to problems could develope much quicker.
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Socialism was such a big success in Russia...that the rest of the world should follow.....:roll:
What would be the incentive to develop new code if one would not be paid for it? As it is, Linux is heavily subsidized by companies like IBM, HP etc, these coders don't work for free.
lmao, the Soviet Union, while nominally socialist, was the exact of opposite of what socialism is.
I guess you never met the B.C. Dippers. That is exactly what they tried to do when they were busy destroying our economy. In fact one of their senior destroyers of wealth generation whose name escapes me at the moment wrote his masters thesis on how the government could destroy the forest industry and then take it over with government union employees. Personally I think all socialists should be sent back to Russia or what ever rock they crawled out from under. Many of my not quite so liberal friends just want to shoot them.
Socialism is the party of the lazy bums.
No, more to punish those with more ambition. Many lazy people have great ability it is just that they would rather be freeloaders.
Socialism never existed in Russia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world. What existed in places like Russia, Cuba, China etc., is what is called state capitalism.
State capitalism is a society where production is controlled and directed by the state, while still maintaining a capitalist structure. In these societies, all the main functions of capitalism are still in place. Namely, wage-labour, exploitation, class system, and alienation. Even Murray Rothbard, one of Americas foremost laissez-fair capitalist advocates and thinkers, agrees with this assessment as state capitalism.
The Socialist Party rejects state capitalism as authoritarian and doomed to failure. Instead, we advocate a system of society based upon the democratic common ownership of the means and instruments for producing and distributing wealth by and in the interests of society as a whole.
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Wikipedia is a PRIME example of all that is bad with socialism. Any fool can change what is in it with no basis in either fact or science.
It sounds like you have just read Karl Marx. Perhaps when you get old enough for high school you will have some life experiences to compare to.
Wikipedia is a tool, if you think it's a poor one, don't use it. Stating that's it the offspring of socialism gone wrong is ridiculous, any organization that can can build what they have deserves commendation. Fact is, Wikipedia has put information into people hands that was not easily accessible in the past without owning physical encyclopedias or scouring multiple sources. It is what it is, a tool.
http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as-accurate-as-Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
My use of Wikipedia as an example was only to show that voluntary collaborations already exists and would only increase under a system of socialism. I understand wikipedia is not a credible source. This has nothing to do with my argument, suggesting it does is a logical fallacy.
Any elementary school student that is able to read and understand Karl Marx's Das Kapital would be a genius in my books. I highly suggest you read it, it is an illuminating analysis of the capitalist mode of production.
There is no need to get personal with attacks. I understand that your many years living through the red scare era, along with the media misrepresenting and demonization socialism has probably left you with negative feelings towards it. All I am asking is for you to do your own research as to what socialism actually has to offer, instead of just accepting what you have been told your whole life.
Just so you know, I do work hard, and have a family to feed, so my life experiences are indeed very real.
Anyways, no hard feelings. Cheers
Actually it was trying to run a business through ten years of dipper mismanagement that confirmed my belief that socialism is bad.
Your simplistic view of socialism makes you come across as a child. Take our word for it, socialism is bad and will destroy our collective wealth.