Our cooling world

[AnnaG]

Ummm, yeah... What article did you think I was responding to?

I didn't know. Which is why I asked. Why should I leap to assumptions like you did?

This is the link you posted to which I responded.

[URL="http://climatescience.blogspot.com/2010/02/jones-considers-correcting-paper-on-uhi.html"]climate science: JONES CONSIDERS CORRECTING PAPER ON UHI

Right. There's a paragraph there. Then there's another link: Jones may submit a correction to his 1990 paper – Keenan responds | Watts Up With That? which is an excerpt from another link : 'Climategate' scientist speaks out : Nature News
There are plenty of links that one can snoop through from that one link in that one paragraph. Yet you assume you know which one i "hung my hat on". lol

Anyway, As the IPCC says, UHI has an infinitesmal contribution. Like I said before, what is the UHI contribution from the oceans, mountain ranges, rainforests, the Arctic tundra? Didja know that satellites don't take readings around urban centers? Neither do oceanographers.

Here's a link for you:

‘Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect’—No, it isn’t | How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist

Oh yeah. You may wonder why I posted that one link. I did it to see how far you would look. You reached the point where something agreed with your opinion and apparently stopped. How very thorough of you. lol

 

[petros]

The perfect place to look for UHI changes to the negative would be Detroit.

 

[AnnaG]

The perfect place to look for UHI changes to the negative would be Detroit.

wow Would it ever. Major downsizing there.

 

[captain morgan]

I didn't know. Which is why I asked. Why should I leap to assumptions like you did?





Right. There's a paragraph there. Then there's another link: [URL="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/16/jones-may-submit-a-correction-to-his-1990-paper-keenan-responds/"]Jones may submit a correction to his 1990 paper – Keenan responds | Watts Up With That? which is an excerpt from another link : 'Climategate' scientist speaks out : Nature News
There are plenty of links that one can snoop through from that one link in that one paragraph. Yet you assume you know which one i "hung my hat on". lol

Anyway, As the IPCC says, UHI has an infinitesmal contribution. Like I said before, what is the UHI contribution from the oceans, mountain ranges, rainforests, the Arctic tundra? Didja know that satellites don't take readings around urban centers? Neither do oceanographers.

Here's a link for you:

‘Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect’—No, it isn’t | How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist

Oh yeah. You may wonder why I posted that one link. I did it to see how far you would look. You reached the point where something agreed with your opinion and apparently stopped. How very thorough of you. lol

Really great Anna... You've now posted even more articles that were apparently your intent to begin with.

Stick to one or at least make it clear rather than blaming the reader

Well gee whiz...this was in February.

... And this matters because?

Guess he didn't find anything.:lol:

We found out plenty from Keenan's puiblic comments; Considering that Jones has backed down and basically admitted that his research, conclusions and work are all garbage via his reworking and revising the conclusions is a tremendous breakthrough.

I guess that you are mistaken on this one.:color::lol:

When this is found to be poop like everything else where will you move the goal posts then.:lol:

Move the goal posts? The only group doing that are the greenies and the eco-nuts that are forced to perpetually eat crow every time one of their frauds are uncovered.

In the end, it doesn't matter where the goal posts are. The politicians have placed them inches away from the green lobbies for all this time and they still can't convert, they may as well be on Mars for all the good it'll do you and your eco buddies.

 

[petros]

they may as well be on Mars for all the good it'll do you and your eco buddies.

Or Atlantis. You can really get down there.

 

[Avro]

... And this matters because?.

Still waiting for the new paper form Jones....when do we get it?

We found out plenty from Keenan's puiblic comments; Considering that Jones has backed down and basically admitted that his research, conclusions and work are all garbage via his reworking and revising the conclusions is a tremendous breakthrough.

Jones admitted nothing....nice try though.

I

guess that you are mistaken on this one.

Nope.

Move the goal posts? The only group doing that are the greenies and the eco-nuts that are forced to perpetually eat crow every time one of their frauds are uncovered.

Sure, you guys do it all the time, some wittle tid bit comes from some rag in the UK or Watts or Monckton or Plimer etc etc and you think you have the smoking gun. To bad for you guys that in a short time it is blown out of the water and you move onto the next lie or fabrication.

Have a peek throught this thread and you can see the tangled web your denialist buddies have woven.

In the end, it doesn't matter where the goal posts are. The politicians have placed them inches away from the green lobbies for all this time and they still can't convert, they may as well be on Mars for all the good it'll do you and your eco buddies

This isn't about politics, it's about the science.

Deniers keep trying to make it a political issue when it isn't, it's a scientific one.

Shure would be neat if you attempted to address my post about the Urban Heat Myth being dead.

I'll give you a second chance.

 

[captain morgan]

Still waiting for the new paper form Jones....when do we get it? Jones admitted nothing....nice try though.

Oh, but dear Jones-ie is reconsidering his submission based on the comments by Keenan and it still takes time to amass a reasonable fabrication and fraud... Give him a little time, he'll either come up with a plethora of excuses and he'll be conspicuously silent (kinda like he is now).

Sure, you guys do it all the time, some wittle tid bit comes from some rag in the UK or Watts or Monckton or Plimer etc etc and you think you have the smoking gun. To bad for you guys that in a short time it is blown out of the water and you move onto the next lie or fabrication.

Funny, really... Mainstream media won't touch the greenie position any longer as they have learned that they look like the fools every time they publish another lie that is later retracted by the IPCC or UN.

I take it by your reference to rags from the UK, you are referring to the CRU or possibly the UN/IPCC that has based much of their position on the CRU's documented frauds?

This isn't about politics, it's about the science.

Deniers keep trying to make it a political issue when it isn't, it's a scientific one.

Shure would be neat if you attempted to address my post about the Urban Heat Myth being dead.

I'll give you a second chance.

Thanks for the laugh.... That is truly hilarious.

I gotta run right now, but I'll be back to diccuss UHI later.

Cheers

 

[Avro]

Oh, but dear Jones-ie is reconsidering his submission based on the comments by Keenan and it still takes time to amass a reasonable fabrication and fraud... Give him a little time, he'll either come up with a plethora of excuses and he'll be conspicuously silent (kinda like he is now).

See, the goal post is already being dug out and ready for removal.

You guys crack me up.

Funny, really... Mainstream media won't touch the greenie position any longer as they have learned that they look like the fools every time they publish another lie that is later retracted by the IPCC or UN.

Really, such as?

I have plenty of of evidence that says it is the deniers who get caught over and over again.

To bad you are afraid to look it over....what a shock.8O8O

I take it by your reference to rags from the UK, you are referring to the CRU or possibly the UN/IPCC that has based much of their position on the CRU's documented frauds?

No, just citing the fraudsters who keep spewing out lies from the denier camp.

Thanks for the laugh.... That is truly hilarious.

I gotta run right now, but I'll be back to diccuss UHI later.

Cheers

Coward.:lol:

That's what the deniers do....run away.....until of course they think they have another smoking gun and the cycle repeats itself.:roll:

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The "Urban Heat Island" Crock

 

[Tonington]

Brr...

 

[AnnaG]

Really great Anna... You've now posted even more articles that were apparently your intent to begin with.

Stick to one or at least make it clear rather than blaming the reader

You're just annoyed because I showed how thorough you can't be and how much assumption you base on your impression of your thoroughness (or lack of it).

I take it by your reference to rags from the UK, you are referring to the CRU or possibly the UN/IPCC that has based much of their position on the CRU's documented frauds?

Anyway, so in actuality, how much fraud has been proven and documented? And how much of this fraud varies how much from the real data? You wouldn't be exaggerating any, would you?

http://www.examiner.com/x-29137-Tallahassee-Environmental-News-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Climategate-debunked

http://mediamatters.org/research/200912010002

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/12/climategate-debunking-get_n_642980.html

I could go on, but I won't. It'd be as wasted on deniers as the local JW lady's religious chat is on hubby.

Oh, but:

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/

Brr...

Frigidity! Oh, no. I better reap the garden quickly!

Oh, wait. I'm not in Antartica. NVMD.

 

[captain morgan]

You're just annoyed because I showed how thorough you can't be and how much assumption you base on your impression of your thoroughness (or lack of it).

Funny, really...

Make no mistake, I'm not "annoyed", in actual fact, it's highly amusing to observe an individual that makes references to sources that they provide the wrong links for... It's kinda symptomatic of the entire greenie movement - they don't have a clue.

Anyway, so in actuality, how much fraud has been proven and documented?

Here's a start for you; review the multiple retractions by the IPCC on core elements that they once considered baseline fact (despite peer review and all the other nonsense).

And how much of this fraud varies how much from the real data? You wouldn't be exaggerating any, would you?

The real data, eh?... As it stands, no one, particularly the eco-fringe, are capable of releasing the raw data that is/was not subject to manipulation prior to being released.

Oh, wait. I'm not in Antartica. NVMD.

Yup.. You're not Antarctica Anna, Neverland or Fantasy Island perhaps, but not Antarctica.

 

[AnnaG]

Funny, really...

Make no mistake, I'm not "annoyed", in actual fact, it's highly amusing to observe an individual that makes references to sources that they provide the wrong links for... It's kinda symptomatic of the entire greenie movement - they don't have a clue.

And you think you do? roflmao

Here's a start for you; review the multiple retractions by the IPCC on core elements that they once considered baseline fact (despite peer review and all the other nonsense).

You made the claim, back it up.

The real data, eh?... As it stands, no one, particularly the eco-fringe, are capable of releasing the raw data that is/was not subject to manipulation prior to being released.

What's the real data then? Hopw much is different from that and the published results? You won't post it, though, will you, because it'll show there isn't that much difference. Back up your claim or stuff it.

Yup.. You're not Antarctica Anna, Neverland or Fantasy Island perhaps, but not Antarctica.

And you accuse Tonington of resorting to personal attack. Whatta eunuch.

 

[captain morgan]

And you think you do? roflmao

My "clue" isn't founded on trendy, emotionally charged supposition... So, yes, I do think I do.

What's the real data then? Hopw much is different from that and the published results? You won't post it, though, will you, because it'll show there isn't that much difference. Back up your claim or stuff it.

Unlike others, I do not claim to have that data. However, I do understand the sheer importance of the info and have a solid foundation in statistical methodology and modeling.

You'd like backup/proof?... Why Walter posted some very interesting info on UHI's recently, although that is not an example of access to raw data, it is an excellent example of how manipulation and irresponsible interpretation can deeply affect the results/conclusions.

And you accuse Tonington of resorting to personal attack. Whatta eunuch.

What does this have to do with Tonnington, I am not exchanging with Tonnington am I Anna?

You want to toss out sarcastic commentary, then you'd better be prepared to receive it back in kind.

 

[petros]

Brr...

Got any NEW charts with CURRENT data?

You'd like backup/proof?... Why Walter posted some very interesting info on UHI's recently, although that is not an example of access to raw data, it is an excellent example of how manipulation and irresponsible interpretation can deeply affect the results/conclusions.

Then dig up the data for Detroit and settle that angle once and for all. Nearly 2 million people leaving ought to have a massive impact on Detroit's UHI.
If Detroit doesn't pan out try New Orleans

Here is you chance

 

[ironsides]

Latest information seems to contradict the title of this forum.

Global Warming
2010 might be the hottest year ever recorded in human history


Climate institutions and scientists are warning that 2010 might end up as one of the hottest years ever recorded in human history. According to new data from the US National Snow and Ice Centre Data Centre (NSIDC)arctic sea ice levels is now "at its lowest physical extent ever recorded for the time of year". According to the reports this year will break the previous record low levels from 2007. The Guardian reports that:

"Satellite monitoring by the NSIDC in Boulder, Colorado, shows that the melting of sea ice has been unusually fast this year, with as much as 40,000 sq km now disappearing daily.
The melt season started almost a month later than normal at the end of March and is not expected to end until September.
Meanwhile, research from the polar science centre at the University of Washington suggests that the volume of sea ice in March 2010 was 20,300 cubic km, 38% below the 1979 level when records began."

http://www.green-blog.org/2010/07/11/2010-might-be-the-hottest-year-ever-recorded-in-human-history/


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[mentalfloss]

We're back to UHI? lol

Well that's nice. I'm still waiting to see this smoking gun though. All UHI has provided is a .45 Colt filled with blanks.

Latest information seems to contradict the title of this forum.

Global Warming
2010 might be the hottest year ever recorded in human history


Climate institutions and scientists are warning that 2010 might end up as one of the hottest years ever recorded in human history. According to new data from the US National Snow and Ice Centre Data Centre (NSIDC)arctic sea ice levels is now "at its lowest physical extent ever recorded for the time of year". According to the reports this year will break the previous record low levels from 2007. The Guardian reports that:

"Satellite monitoring by the NSIDC in Boulder, Colorado, shows that the melting of sea ice has been unusually fast this year, with as much as 40,000 sq km now disappearing daily.
The melt season started almost a month later than normal at the end of March and is not expected to end until September.
Meanwhile, research from the polar science centre at the University of Washington suggests that the volume of sea ice in March 2010 was 20,300 cubic km, 38% below the 1979 level when records began."

http://www.green-blog.org/2010/07/11/2010-might-be-the-hottest-year-ever-recorded-in-human-history/


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Bu-bu-bu Detroit's station is really the problem!

 

[captain morgan]

Got any NEW charts with CURRENT data?

Then dig up the data for Detroit and settle that angle once and for all. Nearly 2 million people leaving ought to have a massive impact on Detroit's UHI.
If Detroit doesn't pan out try New Orleans

Here is you chance

I'm thinking more along the lines of placing sensitive measurement technology in a location surrounded by asphalt, having HVAC ventilation exhaust direct onto the measurement device and in a location where multiple airliners take off/land within a hundred feet of the device.

... Any thoughts as to how that might affect the temp measurements?...

 

[petros]

I'm thinking more along the lines of placing sensitive measurement technology in a location surrounded by asphalt, having HVAC ventilation exhaust direct onto the measurement device and in a location where multiple airliners take off/land within a hundred feet of the device.

... Any thoughts as to how that might affect the temp measurements?...

It all depends on what someone WANTS them to read. HVAC? I'm never seen a meteorological station on the roof of an airport. I usually see them out in the middle of the airfield. That aside a UHI Vs. rural data and that collected by Weather Underground users should be stark in comparison although that is all beside the point.

If you want something real to chew on look into the interaction of pole movement on the 18.6 year nutation cycle which is already known to have a big impact on the earth core, mantle, tides and weather patterns.

 

[mentalfloss]

I'm thinking more along the lines of placing sensitive measurement technology in a location surrounded by asphalt, having HVAC ventilation exhaust direct onto the measurement device and in a location where multiple airliners take off/land within a hundred feet of the device.

... Any thoughts as to how that might affect the temp measurements?...

Well that's definitely a load of hot air.

But thankfully, it's already been shown that these sites do not negatively skew any temperature information that's been recorded so far.

 

[captain morgan]

It all depends on what someone WANTS them to read. HVAC? I'm never seen a meteorological station on the roof of an airport. I usually see them out in the middle of the airfield. That aside a UHI Vs. rural data and that collected by Weather Underground users should be stark in comparison although that is all beside the point.

If you want something real to chew on look into the interaction of pole movement on the 18.6 year nutation cycle which is already known to have a big impact on the earth core, mantle, tides and weather patterns.

My reference to HVAC was a mistake... According to the info Walter (I think) posted, it was some form of exhaust.

I'm with you on the polar migration issue. I do not have the same depth of knowledge as you, but from what I've read, it is a significant component.

But thankfully, it's already been shown that these sites do not negatively skew any temperature information that's been recorded so far.

How has it been shown?... Your word and personal assurances aren't good enough.

Lemme guess, you (or others) have applied a statistical model to account for this? How about you just eliminate all such data points and we'll see exactly how much it doesn't skew the results.