French burka ban proposal riles Muslims

[EagleSmack]

Does the US embrace multiculturalism like Canada?

Yes. To a fault whereas multiculturalism trumps pretty much everything.

i.e. Boys being sent home for wearing American flag t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo so as not to offend.

Is it part of your constitution?

No need to as the Constitution addresses far more than that document you posted.

Does the US consider multiculturalism to be a fundamental characteristic of the American heritage and identity?

It certainly does.

This is the law in Canada.

If so, please post a link. Otherwise I stand by my comments.

And I stand by mine

If you don't like Canada's multiculturalism policies, you are free to immigrate to another country where immigrants are expected to give up their culture/language, or fight to change the law.

Fine... I'll live in Boston Massachusetts then. )

 

[Avro]

What if women choose to wear them?

Are we now banning a choice?

 

[AnnaG]

I have no issue with 'head coverings'. I do have an issue with the rational that 'it makes people look at the person rather than the body' - because it doesn't. I see Muslim girls wearing hijab who run rings around 'western' girls when it comes to attractiveness. They have awesome hijabs and they do their make up incredibly. And I see the boys looking at them the same way they look at girls who are't covered. Whatever any religion/culture might try to supress, the urge for human kind to adorn their bodies will never cease.

Yup.

And having said that, i take issue with all the Muslim men and boys hwho wear the latest clothes, walk with their faces to the breeze, feel the wind on their bodies and have no problem insisting that the women that are with them dress modestly - and can't feel that same wonder of nature - the wind.I take no issue with the idea of dressing modestly, I have a problem, however, with one group demanding it of another, yet not really imposing it upon themselves.

That is the tip of the iceberg of contention I have with a lot of the traditional ME male mentality.

In Saudi Arabia men wear a thob - a light weight white garment. Women? They wear heavy black abayas, with a niquab, and often with black gloves. Tell me - what is so bad, so nasty about a woman's body, that she has to hide it when she goes out in public? If the argument is that it makes it so men don't covet her? Give me a break! What that says is that women have to suffer because men are weak!
Tell me Petros, are you that weak that you would go bonkers if you saw the hand or the body of a woman? and if you are, shouldn't it be YOU that was restrained, rather than the woman?
Me? I want to be able to walk in the world feeling the wind ....

Me, too.

 

[earth_as_one]

Canada is not part of the US and important differences exist between our two nations. Multiculturalism is part of Canada's identity, like universal health care. We are proud of our communist death panels.

 

[AnnaG]

If you are referring to Sikhism, dagger is a religious requirement for them, as is turban. In their Holy Book, Granth Sahib, it is written that Sikhs must carry five things with them all the time, the five ‘k’s. Dagger, turban, hair, a bracelet and a comb (they all apparently start with a ‘k’ in their language).

That is why the courts in Canada ruled in their favor, both for turban and kirpan. I think the courts were right to do so. However, when it comes to veil, nowhere in Koran does it say that women must wear a veil. As such, veil is a cultural symbol, and not a religious requirement.

According to a lot of traditional males it's mandatory. Why? Because the traditional clergy started the issue about covering women and twisted the meanings of some things in the Quran to do it.

So if a country wishes to ban veil, that is their right and nobody’s business.

Yup.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What if women choose to wear them?

Are we now banning a choice?

I am pretty sure if a woman wants to walk naked down Champs-Élysées, she won't be able to, I assume even in France, it is banned by law.

So one does not have limitless choice, there are restrictions on choice as well.


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[AnnaG]

Does the US embrace multiculturalism like Canada? Is it part of your constitution?

Does the US consider multiculturalism to be a fundamental characteristic of the American heritage and identity?

Quoting Emma Lazarus:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

It's written on the Statue of Liberty. The implications derived from that are written into the constituion that anyone can practise whatever religion, politics, etc. they want to when they become an American citizen.

 

[EagleSmack]

Quoting Emma Lazarus:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

It's written on the Statue of Liberty. The implications derived from that are written into the constituion that anyone can practise whatever religion, politics, etc. they want to when they become an American citizen.

Exactly. You said it better than I could.

Gracias

 

[AnnaG]

What if women choose to wear them?

Are we now banning a choice?

A couple countries seem to be prone to, yes. So far, North American countries seem to be pretty easy going as far as personal choices go.

Exactly. You said it better than I could.

Gracias

Prego.

 

[Avro]

I am pretty sure if a woman wants to walk naked down Champs-Élysées, she won't be able to, I assume even in France, it is banned by law.

So one does not have limitless choice, there are restrictions on choice as well.

So a Burka and being naked are the same thing?

Are you saying that a government can ban anything it wants?

This sounds a lot like the helmet law, or the seat belt law.

 

[AnnaG]

Canada is not part of the US and important differences exist between our two nations. Multiculturalism is part of Canada's identity, like universal health care. We are proud of our communist death panels.

And Canada seems to be more than willing to turn itself inside out in order to not offend small fringe group and caters to what it wants. The USA, not so much. In that way, I think Canada loses out on some democracy (rule by majority).

 

[petros]

I think wearing spandex in public should be banned.

 

[AnnaG]

I think wearing Hawaiian shirts and anything white on sunny days should be banned.

 

[Avro]

I think wearing Hawaiian shirts and anything white on sunny days should be banned.

Hey, I happen to like Hawaiian shirts....my wife...feels the same about them as you.:lol:

Hell, what else dose one wear when in Rome?

 

[petros]

Sunglasses on top of the head has to go too.

 

[Avro]

Sunglasses on top of the head has to go too.

Move to Cuba or China, they ban all kinds of freedoms there.:glasses7:

 

[TenPenny]

If you are referring to Sikhism, dagger is a religious requirement for them, as is turban. In their Holy Book, Granth Sahib, it is written that Sikhs must carry five things with them all the time, the five ‘k’s. Dagger, turban, hair, a bracelet and a comb (they all apparently start with a ‘k’ in their language).

That is why the courts in Canada ruled in their favor, both for turban and kirpan. I think the courts were right to do so. However, when it comes to veil, nowhere in Koran does it say that women must wear a veil. As such, veil is a cultural symbol, and not a religious requirement. So if a country wishes to ban veil, that is their right and nobody’s business.

It was a requirement added in 1699, from what I understand.

 

[petros]

Move to Cuba or China, they ban all kinds of freedoms there.:glasses7:

Just like France?

 

[AnnaG]

Sunglasses on top of the head has to go too.

So does the weird habit of dangling left arm out of window while driving.

 

[Avro]

Just like France?

No, they ban way more.

Check it out....thought you knew about that.