Polanski Not to be Extradited to US, Free man.

[JLM]

With 2200 kids disappearing daily in the US and Canada, I could have a full time job pushing guys like Polanski into rivers and I'd enjoy every minute of it.

You're a man after my own heart Petros!!!!!! For me it wouldn't even have to be a "full time job"- I'd do it for nothing. :lol::lol::lol: 2200 sounds pretty drastic, but I think of these 2200 a lot of them belong to dysfunctional families where members have a hand in the "disappearance", so I don't think "missing" necessarily means they are abused or put at undue risk.

 

[petros]

You're a man after my own heart Petros!!!!!! For me it wouldn't even have to be a "full time job"- I'd do it for nothing. :lol::lol::lol: 2200 sounds pretty drastic, but I think of these 2200 a lot of them belong to dysfunctional families where members have a hand in the "disappearance", so I don't think "missing" necessarily means they are abused or put at undue risk.

Even if it is 1% that are exploited, that is still 22 kids per day too many.

 

[JLM]

Even if it is 1% that are exploited, that is still 22 kids per day too many.

I'm not disagreeing with you in any way. There's a lot of A$$holes out there to be straightened out.

 

[petros]

I'm not disagreeing with you in any way. There's a lot of A$$holes out there to be straightened out.

Indeed and it's not hard for any of us to reduce their abuses.

If you are a John in Regina and cruise for under age girls in North Central, chances are extremely high that my wife or I or our little "watch group" have your license number and you on video or in a photo.

It works. All it takes is a camera flash and the Johns scatter like cockroaches.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If I were the father of that little girl, there would be no Polanski to extradite.

If someone ever laid a finger on my daughter I'd have no problems removing that person from the world of the living.

You are talking of a totally different situation, petros. An analogous situation would be, suppose your daughter was molested 33 years ago, when she was 13. The perpetrator was caught, convicted, sentenced but evaded justice. Now he has been found.

Your 46 year daughter says to you, “Dad, I am over it by now, let us just forgive and forget.”

Now the question is, would you still go after him and remove him from the world of living? That is what we are talking about here.

 

[ironsides]

You are talking of a totally different situation, petros. An analogous situation would be, suppose your daughter was molested 33 years ago, when she was 13. The perpetrator was caught, convicted, sentenced but evaded justice. Now he has been found.

Your 46 year daughter says to you, “Dad, I am over it by now, let us just forgive and forget.”

Now the question is, would you still go after him and remove him from the world of living? That is what we are talking about here.

Hmmm very good questio SJP, my answer would be yes. No one really ever gets over a rape, he stole her childhood.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I actually find those that sympathize with Polanski to be screwed up. Excusing someone who drugged and raped a 13 year old because 'it happened a long time ago', and gee - 'he's 'so talented' and he's an old man', and 'he's had a tragic life', is really screwed up.
It was a crime, plain and simple, he preyed on the kid, he drugged and raped her and then he evaded justice for 3 decades and lived a great life in Europe, and way too many people don't seem to have a problem with that. That's what's screwed up.

Time heals all wounds, DHW. It seems to have healed the wound of the victim. So I don't see any problem with tempering justice with mercy.

Indeed, the victim seems to have displayed plenty of maturity in all this. If she had taken the advice of posters here, she would have spent her life in agony, in bitterness, in rage, burning for revenge on the perpetrator. Her life really would have been ruined in that case, the perpetrator would have been able to ruin her life.

Now I don’t know anything about her, except that she wants to forgive and forget. But it seems to me that she has already forgiven him long ago and moved on with her life. And indeed, that is the proper attitude when a great injustice is committed. Rather than letting it fester in your mind for decades, to let it corrode your mind like acid, to live, to exist only for retribution, for retaliation (which may never come), it is much better to forgive the criminal, put him out of your mind and get on with your life.

Hmmm very good questio SJP, my answer would be yes. No one really ever gets over a rape, he stole her childhood.

So even if your daughter says to forgive and forget, you would go after the perpetrator and kill him. How is that going to help your daughter and her kids (your grandkids) if you are put away for life in prison for murder?

That may satisfy your personal desire for revenge, but the consequences will be very tragic, for your daughter and for your grandchildren.

Your daughter has moved on, she doesn't want to revisit the sordid affair. If you are charged with his murder, the whole affair will be revisited in spades, people will be talking about it for months, It also won't do your grandkids any good if it is known their grandfather is a convicted murderer.

So what is it going to achieve, except it will satisfy your hunger for revenge? Isn't that an act of pure selfishness?

 

[TenPenny]

It has nothing to do with how the victim feels.

He pleaded guilty, and then skipped out before sentencing.

It has nothing to do with the victim. That part is over with.

 

[ironsides]

Time heals all wounds, DHW. It seems to have healed the wound of the victim. So I don't see any problem with tempering justice with mercy.

Indeed, the victim seems to have displayed plenty of maturity in all this. If she had taken the advice of posters here, she would have spent her life in agony, in bitterness, in rage, burning for revenge on the perpetrator. Her life really would have been ruined in that case, the perpetrator would have been able to ruin her life.

Now I don’t know anything about her, except that she wants to forgive and forget. But it seems to me that she has already forgiven him long ago and moved on with her life. And indeed, that is the proper attitude when a great injustice is committed. Rather than letting it fester in your mind for decades, to let it corrode your mind like acid, to live, to exist only for retribution, for retaliation (which may never come), it is much better to forgive the criminal, put him out of your mind and get on with your life.



So even if your daughter says to forgive and forget, you would go after the perpetrator and kill him. How is that going to help your daughter and her kids (your grandkids) if you are put away for life in prison for murder?

That may satisfy your personal desire for revenge, but the consequences will be very tragic, for your daughter and for your grandchildren.

Your daughter has moved on, she doesn't want to revisit the sordid affair. If you are charged with his murder, the whole affair will be revisited in spades, people will be talking about it for months, It also won't do your grandkids any good if it is known their grandfather is a convicted murderer.

So what is it going to achieve, except it will satisfy your hunger for revenge? Isn't that an act of pure selfishness?

Revenge can be sweet, and if it were my daughter she probably would do it herself, as I said someone may say oh leave him alone, it was a long time ago but they really do not mean it. I personally could never forgive anyone who hurts any on my children. But a law was broken and he was convicted, he owes time in jail.

 

[#juan]

Out of curiosity, I wonder how many thirteen year old girls are deflowered by dirty little twelve, thirteen, and fourteen year old boys. We know it happened, and still happens. I know when I was a thirteen year old boy, I could think of little else. Were all of these young girls and boys permanently damaged by the first experience? I know there was a down side, in that there were unwanted pregnancies and STDs but this was a terrrible and magical time for all young teens.

 

[ironsides]

I think there is a difference between two kids exploring what life has to offer and a big hairy adult forcing himself upon a child.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Revenge can be sweet, and if it were my daughter she probably would do it herself, as I said someone may say oh leave him alone, it was a long time ago but they really do not mean it. I personally could never forgive anyone who hurts any on my children. But a law was broken and he was convicted, he owes time in jail.

If you take law in your own hand, kill somebody, as a result are locked up for life and cause immeasurable amount of grief and pain to your loved ones, I consider that to be an act of pure selfishness, nothing else.

 

[lone wolf]

So, really, seeing as how the girl has got on with a life - and that's NOT saying he's guiltless - the main issue is Polanski dissed a vindictive legal system.

 

[#juan]

I think there is a difference between two kids exploring what life has to offer and a big hairy adult forcing himself upon a child.

Absolutely right. This young girl did not have to learn from some jaded reprobate about sex or anal sex. In her later life I hope she found someone with the sensitivity make sex a good experience for her.

 

[Goober]

There is a difference between this case and pedophile priests, DHW. In the case of priests, the victims very much wanted to press charges, they very much wanted the priests and the church to pay for their crimes.

And how I would have felt about a hypothetical situation is not really relevant here. The important point is that the victim does not want to bring it up again.

So I would answer your hypothetical situation like this. Suppose the pedophile is caught and charged after 33 years. Now my son is 46 years old, he is a family man. He decides to forgive and forget. I would support him.



This case is apparently different from other cases in one important way. Pedophiles are usually repeat offenders; they will abuse more than one child. In this case, there is no evidence that Polanski is a repeat offender; at least nobody else has come forward.

SJP
So lets take a critical look at your trip into the future based upon your son being molested at age 13

1st - People who have been molested suffer many emotional upheavals - Guilt blaming themselves - blaming themselves for not fighting back - blaming themselves for being weak - - Remorse as they know this person will probably do it again -

So you are now faced with a 13 year old boy who has Changed dramatically - will not talk etc - You can try as hard as you want but many keep this to themselves for years if not decades

So your son - and stats show this is probable - will turn to drugs, alcohol, crime - will become abusive in the same way that he was abused.


Stats also show a substantial number young - from drugs to suicide and other illness usually associated with and coming from the original abuse -

So you and you son sit down and he is age 46 - married with kids - they have had a terrible home life -- the son had finally sought help and was dealing with this -

Then your Grandchild comes forward and tells you that your son her father molested her-

Possible outcomes -

Again the remorse sets in - he could be sent to prison or even kill himself.

All the above are the ramifications from one person being ,molested or raped -

Lastly - Drop the last 2 points - possible outcomes - and you do not know how you would react if that person was let free on a technicality - Seeing the harm caused - Stating you do know is rare as most people talk one way but react another. This observation is based upon you watching your son go thru personal hell along with his family for 33 years and being completely helpless - Have you ever been in a situation where you were completely helpless?

I though am sure of one thing - There are people on this forum that if someone raped their child they would exact retribution - and most of them are smart enough not to get caught.

Killing is easy - Not getting caught & convicted is the hard part

 

[JLM]

Hmmm very good questio SJP, my answer would be yes. No one really ever gets over a rape, he stole her childhood.

I don't think there is any crime (short of murder) that is worse than taking away the innocense of a child) What we don't know is if he actually stole her innocense or if she was an overly mature non virginal thirteen going on 23 who had just climbed out of someone else's bed. I know that doesn't excuse Polanski, but 33 years is a long time, court cases depend a lot on witnesses memories, so it's doubtful if it would even be possible to have a FAIR TRIAL. It's simply not in the public's best interest to pursue it further.

 

[ironsides]

If you take law in your own hand, kill somebody, as a result are locked up for life and cause immeasurable amount of grief and pain to your loved ones, I consider that to be an act of pure selfishness, nothing else.

What law, if the law cannot help you then you have every right to take the law in your own hands. (called exercising your rights) Nothing selfish about it, the rodent had his day in court, was convicted and sentenced, then escaped. It would be justified to hire a bounty hunter to bring him back. Now a pitiful tiny country can offer him asylum from that conviction, they are no better than he is in my eyes, guess child rape has a statute of limitations there. (When the child grows up the charges are dropped nice law to support) :roll:8O

 

[TenPenny]

I don't think there is any crime (short of murder) that is worse than taking away the innocense of a child) What we don't know is if he actually stole her innocense or if she was an overly mature non virginal thirteen going on 23 who had just climbed out of someone else's bed. I know that doesn't excuse Polanski, but 33 years is a long time, court cases depend a lot on witnesses memories, so it's doubtful if it would even be possible to have a FAIR TRIAL. It's simply not in the public's best interest to pursue it further.

A fair trial? You're missing the point - there is no need for a trial. He pleaded guilty, the only thing left is the sentencing. He skipped out before the sentencing hearing.

The trial is a done deal, it's all over with. Has been for 33 years.

The only unfinished business is the sentencing hearing.

A glass of rum - $1.35
A few pills - $2.75
Getting away with raping and sodomizing a 13 year old girl,while the Hollywood elite defends you - PRICELESS!

 

[Downhome_Woman]

You are talking of a totally different situation, petros. An analogous situation would be, suppose your daughter was molested 33 years ago, when she was 13. The perpetrator was caught, convicted, sentenced but evaded justice. Now he has been found.

Your 46 year daughter says to you, “Dad, I am over it by now, let us just forgive and forget.”

Now the question is, would you still go after him and remove him from the world of living? That is what we are talking about here.

The difference, SJP, is that she actually said at one point that she wished they'd just drop it because it was like 'being raped all over again'. That points to me that it has nothing to do with 'forgiving and forgetting' and more to do with not wanting to have to re-live the whole sordid experience.
And again - how many times must i say - the whole issue is not that of the wishes or feelings of the victim but of the law. He RAPED a child, and he evaded sentencing for 30 years. The poor woman seems to have been able to reclaim her life, but Polanski still has not experienced justice.
Too often victims of crimes like this one have been advized to 'forgive and forget', and they try to. They suppress it and on the surface they seem to be fine. Buy no one can tell me that having that done to someone and then seeing the criminal get away with it (his only problem was that he was not able to return to the States -poor man).
People need not only to know that justice is there but they also need to have confidence that justice is served. Just because he's a rich, old talented tortured man, it doesn't mean that he gets a 'get out of jail free'card. He did something he knew was wrong, anbd then he thumbed his nose at the legal system.

A fair trial? You're missing the point - there is no need for a trial. He pleaded guilty, the only thing left is the sentencing. He skipped out before the sentencing hearing.

The trial is a done deal, it's all over with. Has been for 33 years.

The only unfinished business is the sentencing hearing.

A glass of rum - $1.35
A few pills - $2.75
Getting away with raping and sodomizing a 13 year old girl,while the Hollywood elite defends you - PRICELESS!

Yes! Exactly!! THANK YOU!!!!

 

[ironsides]

I don't think there is any crime (short of murder) that is worse than taking away the innocense of a child) What we don't know is if he actually stole her innocense or if she was an overly mature non virginal thirteen going on 23 who had just climbed out of someone else's bed. I know that doesn't excuse Polanski, but 33 years is a long time, court cases depend a lot on witnesses memories, so it's doubtful if it would even be possible to have a FAIR TRIAL. It's simply not in the public's best interest to pursue it further.

Your right, we don't know her personal history, but Polanski was tried and convicted back when it happened. They just have to send him back to finish his sentence.

Roman Polanski sexual abuse case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found this while checking out the trial.

Polanski The Predator

"Two weeks after Polanski plied her with Champagne and a Quaalude, Samantha Gailey appeared before an L.A. grand jury and recalled Polanski's predatory behavior in a Mulholland Canyon home owned by Jack Nicholson."

Transcripts of trial

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