Neanderthals Not Totally Extinct

[The Old Medic]

It is not just Europeans. Every population studied, except those in Africa, shows that they have some 4-5% Neanderthal genes.

All this shows is what most of us figured out long ago. Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals interbred.

 

[petros]

It is not just Europeans. Every population studied, except those in Africa, shows that they have some 4-5% Neanderthal genes.

All this shows is what most of us figured out long ago. Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals interbred.

It shows malarky. All it shows is at one point both came from a common ancestor.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It shows malarky. All it shows is at one point both came from a common ancestor.

....but does this explain the existance of Nascar Racing Fans?

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[The Old Medic]

It is so amusing to see the comments by those that do not realize that the Neanderthals were a very successful breed of human beings. They lived, and flourished in climatic conditions that we could not survive in. They had a brain as fully developed as our own.

Far too many people accept the stereotypes about the "knuckle draggers". In fact, they adapted to an extremely harsh environment, and they survived for some 400,000 years, far longer than Homo Sapiens has been around.

So perhaps, just perhaps, we have survived for our 200,000 years, because we have just enough of the Neanderthal in our ancestry to make us tough enough to make it.

And no, this does NOT just show that we had a common ancestor. Genetics is far more sophisticated than that. They can trace each gene back, and see pretty much exactly where it came from. If you are going to comment on science, it helps if you actually have some knowledge of the field. Calling it "malarky" (which by the way is a misspelling of 'malarkey") merely shows off YOUR ignorance.

 

[Tonington]

It is so amusing to see the comments by those that do not realize that the Neanderthals were a very successful breed of human beings. They lived, and flourished in climatic conditions that we could not survive in. They had a brain as fully developed as our own.

Far too many people accept the stereotypes about the "knuckle draggers". In fact, they adapted to an extremely harsh environment, and they survived for some 400,000 years, far longer than Homo Sapiens has been around.

So perhaps, just perhaps, we have survived for our 200,000 years, because we have just enough of the Neanderthal in our ancestry to make us tough enough to make it.

And no, this does NOT just show that we had a common ancestor. Genetics is far more sophisticated than that. They can trace each gene back, and see pretty much exactly where it came from. If you are going to comment on science, it helps if you actually have some knowledge of the field. Calling it "malarky" (which by the way is a misspelling of 'malarkey") merely shows off YOUR ignorance.

Pssst. Talking about science, and mistakes, I believe you will find an error in your post. I would take off points for lack of italics/underline and also for capitalizing the species name. Not proper binomial nomenclature! :smile:

Also I have to comment on our survival. If we were to owe our survival to these genes, how would one explain Africans? Perhaps we might not have survived in high Arctic climates, but Africans seem to have done just fine without any help.

 

[karrie]

It is so amusing to see the comments by those that do not realize that the Neanderthals were a very successful breed of human beings. They lived, and flourished in climatic conditions that we could not survive in. They had a brain as fully developed as our own.

Far too many people accept the stereotypes about the "knuckle draggers"....

And others merely possess enough of a sense of humour to be able to crack a joke about the stereotypes, while knowing that it is not true in the Hollywood sense.

 

[The Old Medic]

The population of Africa has NOT been studied to determine whether or not they also have neanderthal genes. Only 15 Africans, all from the same area, were tested in the original study.

I predict that many Africans will show Neanderthal influence.

As to my lack of capitalization and some typos. I have extensive arthritis, and typing is quite difficult for me. I make some mistakes, and sadly do not always catch them. What is YOUR excuse, Torrington?

For many years, "scientists" spread the "fact' that Neanderthals could not talk. They did not have a "voicebox" nor a hyoid bone, therefore, they were incapable of speech.

But lo and behold, now they do have evidence that the neanderthals did indeed have "voiceboxes" and they have discovered a number of hyoid bones.

One more of the "truths" about the Neanderthal has bit the dust.

In reality, evidence is slowly accumulating that would appear to show that they were not all that different from modern humans, just a bit slower to adapt to changing climates.

Any being that successfully overcomes a very harsh climate, that does not have built in fur, fang or claw, has to have some degree of significant intelligence going for it. Neanderthal made weapons, and used them to hunt. Their diet appears to have been primarily meat, which means that they were very successful hunters.

In no way were they the "knuckle dragging" cave men that all too many magazines and movies have made them out to be.

 

[petros]

It shows malarky. All it shows is at one point both came from a common ancestor.

Read again.

 

[AnnaG]

It is not just Europeans. Every population studied, except those in Africa, shows that they have some 4-5% Neanderthal genes.

All this shows is what most of us figured out long ago. Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals interbred.

Big deal. People are still interbreeding. It's part of evolution.
Human roots originated in southern and eastern Africa.

It is so amusing to see the comments by those that do not realize that the Neanderthals were a very successful breed of human beings. They lived, and flourished in climatic conditions that we could not survive in. They had a brain as fully developed as our own.

Dead wrong. Human brains are still evolving. Neanderthal likely had a brain as developed as Cro-Magnon.

The population of Africa has NOT been studied to determine whether or not they also have neanderthal genes. Only 15 Africans, all from the same area, were tested in the original study.

I predict that many Africans will show Neanderthal influence.

It doesn't matter much when the origin of humans came from one small area of the planet. We all have certain bits of DNA linking us together. In fact, there are extremely few genetic differences and only about 3% of our DNA distinguishes us from the rest of the primates.

For many years, "scientists" spread the "fact' that Neanderthals could not talk. They did not have a "voicebox" nor a hyoid bone, therefore, they were incapable of speech.

But lo and behold, now they do have evidence that the neanderthals did indeed have "voiceboxes" and they have discovered a number of hyoid bones.

One more of the "truths" about the Neanderthal has bit the dust.

That simply points to science being able to amend its conclusions as it has been doing for centuries. The Earth used to be flat and tomatoes used to be poisonous, for instance.

In reality, evidence is slowly accumulating that would appear to show that they were not all that different from modern humans, just a bit slower to adapt to changing climates.

I think you'll notice a few more differences than that.

Any being that successfully overcomes a very harsh climate, that does not have built in fur, fang or claw, has to have some degree of significant intelligence going for it.

Really? Manatees are over 60 million years old. Earthworms have been around about 3 times that long.

Neanderthal made weapons, and used them to hunt. Their diet appears to have been primarily meat, which means that they were very successful hunters.

They weren't unique in those respects.

In no way were they the "knuckle dragging" cave men that all too many magazines and movies have made them out to be.

Do you think that people believed Star Wars was real, too?

 

[petros]

Big deal. People are still interbreeding. It's part of evolution.

Which species are they breeding with?

If you go back far enough you'll find the common ancestor that gave that 4-5% of genetic code.

 

[AnnaG]

Read again.

So make up your mind. Either it is BS (malarkey) or it isn't.

Which species are they breeding with?

If you go back far enough you'll find the common ancestor that gave that 4-5% of genetic code.

If you go back farther than that you find one single common ancestor to all human branches. So?

 

[coldstream]

I read a book titled The Seven Daughters of Eve some time ago that used regression analysis of gene mutation to determine that the entire human race originated with a single set of parents, probably about 100 to 150 thousand years ago. So we're all related.. and divinely created.

 

[Chiliagon]

In B.C. we call them NDPers.

haha

there's many of them already in Ottawa, we elected them! :lol:

 

[AnnaG]

I read a book titled The Seven Daughters of Eve some time ago that used regression analysis of gene mutation to determine that the entire human race originated with a single set of parents, probably about 100 to 150 thousand years ago.

It's more likely that there have been several lines of Homo that sprouted up relatively simultaneously and some coexisted. It is likely that we all originated from the same genetic material, though.

So we're all related. and divinely created.

That is pure opinion and none of it is verifiable.

 

[Tonington]

The population of Africa has NOT been studied to determine whether or not they also have neanderthal genes.

That's not true. The Science publication that spawned this thread looked at African and non-Africans to compare against the neanderthal genome. Africans had significantly more differences between the neanderthal genome comparison than non-Africans.

Some of these authors have published similar investigations as well, they even discuss the differences between test outcomes resulting from the new methodologies in the supplemental on-line material.

I predict that many Africans will show Neanderthal influence.

Predict, or guess?

As to my lack of capitalization and some typos. I have extensive arthritis, and typing is quite difficult for me. I make some mistakes, and sadly do not always catch them. What is YOUR excuse, Torrington?

I make no excuse for my errors. I'm simply pointing out that someone who bemoans another posters lack of scientific rigor should in my view at least probably use best practices, like proper notation. That is afterall, ubiquitous in the fields of science.

Any being that successfully overcomes a very harsh climate, that does not have built in fur, fang or claw, has to have some degree of significant intelligence going for it.

Genetic fitness comes in all forms.

In no way were they the "knuckle dragging" cave men that all too many magazines and movies have made them out to be.

Agreed.

 

[L Gilbert]

It shows malarky. All it shows is at one point both came from a common ancestor.

Actually, it isn't malarkey. But I won't make fun of you like Anna did. Our ancestors were Cro-Magnon and they existed in Europe along with Neanderthal for thousands of years. It's highly probable that our ancestors and the Neanderthal did interbreed. Having Neanderthal DNA in Cro-Magnon descendants is evidence that interbreeding took place, not malarkey. And they most likely interbred in the ME.

The population of Africa has NOT been studied to determine whether or not they also have neanderthal genes. Only 15 Africans, all from the same area, were tested in the original study.

You should read more:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...genome-reveals-interbreeding-with-humans.html

 

[coldstream]

It's more likely that there have been several lines of Homo that sprouted up relatively simultaneously and some coexisted. It is likely that we all originated from the same genetic material, though.That is pure opinion and none of it is verifiable.

Your first point is not verifiable. The human race can be traced back to a single set of parents, exlusively to those parents, and not prior to that. Similarities in genetic composition do NOT attest to a monolithic universal ancestry, even amongst primates, they merely attest to a universal composition.. and hence a Composer.

And your usual point that this is 'my opion' does not form an argument, Anna, it is just your opinion. :roll:

 

[petros]

Actually, it isn't malarkey. But I won't make fun of you like Anna did. Our ancestors were Cro-Magnon and they existed in Europe along with Neanderthal for thousands of years. It's highly probable that our ancestors and the Neanderthal did interbreed.

They were a different species so it was impossible they interbred. Two complete different beasts. One sapien the other neanderthal.

I won't make fun of you either. Taxonomy is freakin' complex.

 

[L Gilbert]

They were a different species so it was impossible they interbred. Two complete different beasts. One sapien the other neanderthal.

:roll: I think you'd better look up what "species", "genus", "family", etc. mean. Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon are both hominids (subtribe hominina) and hominids are capable of interbreeding. If things in the same family and genus couldn't interbreed we wouldn't have ligers, jackasses, zonkeys, geeps, pizzlies, leopons, hooses, etc. ad nauseum.
BTW, you can make fun of me anytime you like. Don't expect yourself to be taken seriously, though, especially when you've been proven wrong.

 

[petros]

Taxonomy of Man

Orangutans are hominids bub!