Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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How would you feel if you lived in a tiny area wherein all your neighbours made public policy regarding the abject destruction of your state and every member of your religion and communicated that policy at every opportunity?
Apparently they didn't (probably did but said 'so what') take into account what terrorizing 700,000 people would do. No doubt they were trying for all Arabs not just the 700,000.

Even their own God got tired of them killing people, at least He did something about it, nor is He finished with their punishment. You would think that after 70 years of no peace they would realize that God is not on their side, let alone doing anything to make their stay more comfortable. Too bad they can't even understand their own book.
 

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Just read an interesting piece by Michael Oren, Israel's ambassador to the USA.........

He claims:

- the "protesters"were carrying nearly a million Euros in cash......probably for Hamas.

- the army found fired cases on the Mavi Marmara.....that don't match the cartridges used by the Israeli Army.

- they found film showing passengers "injured" in the Israeli raid.........filmed in full daylight, while the raid happened at night.....

- Israel's blockade has intercepted several ships loaded with munitions.
 

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What do they match?

You know me, gun nut to the end.....but the piece was printed in the NY Times, and did not specify.

I imagine the commandos were all carrying 9mm Glocks..........standard, so I assume the empty cases were something else......or perhaps 9mms of a different manufacture....I don't know.
 

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no , you aren't being truthful. you aren't being truthful because it wouldn't be in your interest in this argument, that's ok. you just look insane by advocating the blockade which starves and deprives Gazans because it's "legal".
Good answer, about what we expected. :lol:

No no no no you can't asshole your way out of it. You prove to all of us it's not true.
You made the claim that it mattered, and that the mossad was involved, prove it or I'll simply dismiss it as more BS, your choice.
 

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You know me, gun nut to the end.....but the piece was printed in the NY Times, and did not specify.

I imagine the commandos were all carrying 9mm Glocks..........standard, so I assume the empty cases were something else......or perhaps 9mms of a different manufacture....I don't know.
We call all imagine lots of things but a pocketful of spent casings would really come in handy if you knew the situation will go haywire.

That is a very very important detail to know tha facts on and not speculate.
 

petros

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You made the claim that it mattered, and that the mossad was involved, prove it or I'll simply dismiss it as more BS, your choice.
Do you really really really think the Mossad is that sloppy seeing how they are second only to CIA in training funding and complexity?

Take off the blinders.
 

CDNBear

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Do you really really really think the Mossad is that sloppy seeing how they are second only to CIA in training funding and complexity?
It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what you can prove. Anything else is speculation, and bares no weight on the matter at hand.

Take off the blinders.
Please do.
 

petros

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Again, irrelevant.

Really? You seem all to capable of speculating who knew what and when, without evidence.

Nice double standards you have there petros.
That's not double standards Bear that is merely paying attention to what goes in on this planet.

Without a gun and projectiles to match to the casings, the casings are irrelevant and remain irrelevant until something can be matched. Can you do that?
 

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Fine, tow 'em out to Antarctica then




How would you feel if you lived in a tiny area wherein all your neighbours made public policy regarding the abject destruction of your state and every member of your religion and communicated that policy at every opportunity?

hmm,. let's look at Israel's neighbours.

Jordan - Signed a peace treaty with Israel back in '94. Normalized relations.
Egypt - Signed a peace treaty back in 79'. Recognizes Israel's right to exist.
Syria - Israel occupies the Golan Heights which results in poor relations between the countries.
 

petros

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It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what you can prove. Anything else is speculation, and bares no weight on the matter at hand.

Please do.
It does matter what I can prove indeed but who are YOU or I to have acceess to the truth?


Take off the blinders and don't let yourself be played by emotions.
 

CDNBear

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That's not double standards Bear that is merely paying attention to what goes in on this planet.
And then making stuff up as you go along, and yes it is a double standard petros. Either you can prove your claims, or they're speculation. Just as the claims of finding spent rounds on the ship, not belonging to the Israeli's is speculation.

If you claim to be right, using speculation, then you can't very well claim Colpy is wrong, when hsi post contains speculation. Unless you use a double standard.

Without a gun and projectiles to match to the casings, the casings are irrelevant and remain irrelevant until something can be matched.
I agree, which is why it's a double standard. You claim the inspection was not needed because the Mossad already knew what was on board, you claimed it's relevant that they didn't find munitions on any of the ships, and the flag of the vessel was makes a difference. All speculative.

Can you do that?
Apparently you think you can, but only you have the right to use speculation as fact, because you pay attention to what goes on in the world...Ummm, ya, OK.

It does matter what I can prove indeed but who are YOU or I to have acceess to the truth?
The law is there for all to see. You either read it and understand it, or you don't.

Take off the blinders and don't let yourself be played by emotions.
The reason I get so much criticism, is because I don't use emotion, morality is not law.

It is you and the rest of the supposed freethinkers that have succumb to emotions. Hence why you ignore reason and facts. Resort to believing speculation and conjecture, in the face of overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence. Emotion has taken over and all reason is lost.
 

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apparently they didn't (probably did but said 'so what') take into account what terrorizing 700,000 people would do. No doubt they were trying for all arabs not just the 700,000.

Even their own god got tired of them killing people, at least he did something about it, nor is he finished with their punishment. You would think that after 70 years of no peace they would realize that god is not on their side, let alone doing anything to make their stay more comfortable. Too bad they can't even understand their own book.


wtf?

We call all imagine lots of things but a pocketful of spent casings would really come in handy if you knew the situation will go haywire.

That is a very very important detail to know tha facts on and not speculate.

Loaded weapons hidden on the vessel in preparation for a lynching in the name of humanitarian aid also comes in handy.
 

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hmm,. let's look at Israel's neighbours.

Jordan - Signed a peace treaty with Israel back in '94. Normalized relations.
Egypt - Signed a peace treaty back in 79'. Recognizes Israel's right to exist.
Syria - Israel occupies the Golan Heights which results in poor relations between the countries.


So what?... The point had to do with the 6-Day War and the end results.... MHz wanted an idea regarding the military ability of Israel in terms of combat with a force such as Turkey.

Tin foil hat's to tight, :lol:

I think he/she's way beyond that... there was probably was a deal on wax paper and they thought it wouldn't make a difference.

Apparently the NSA mind-thought satellites got through the wax.
 

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First of all, I might actually consider booting out the morons that run my country for the sole purpose of firing missiles at my neighbour.

Hamas got elected because of their honesty and benevolent actions towards their citizens, such as their charitable social services. Hamas wasn't elected to make rapid peace with Israel.

Secondly....SHOW ME starving Palestinians. I mean, we get news reports of starvation from all over the world, horrible pictures of listless emaciated adults, children with protruding stomachs, the dead laying by the roadside........when I see Palestinians, they appear energetic, reasonably well-fed, healthy........I mean OVER a million tons of food aid has passed through Israel into Gaza in the past 18 months.......

Economic disaster in Gaza is a fact.

Starvation in Gaza is a lie....pure propaganda.

Wouldn't economic disaster and starvation go hand in hand?

Third......I agree that there are some problems with the delivery of health services in Gaza.........sometimes people die before they get the treatment they are offered...in ISRAEL! Only the Israelis would treat their enemies for free in their hospitals.....and get pounded for not doing it enough!!!!8O

Quit drinking the purple kool-aid, and look around.


Oh that's nice of Israel to offer treatment to innocent civilians (you call enemies) their military has blown up.
 

petros

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The law is there for all to see. You either read it and understand it, or you don't.
Law or interpretation of law? When was an official descision made clearing Israel and justifying their actions or are you speculating Bear?