Tory G8 abortion stance

petros

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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

All I can say is the excuses given for abortion parallel stupid excuses for rape.

I was drunk.

I couldn't control myself.

I forgot it was illegal.

She was too hot.

She wanted it.

the all time number one stupid excuse to rape or kill .... "My pills weren't working."
 
L Gilbert

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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

petros said:
The fetus is a human being but is not a legal person.
You've really got to learn that once and for all. But that is irrelevant when it comes to legal OPINIONS and reality. Reality says a baby lost it's life not a human being or a legal person buut a wee little defenseless baby.
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Pretty much.
Sorting out SJP's confusion is a toughie, isn't it?
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Fetus at 11 weeks:


Fetus at 18 weeks:


Fetus at 25 weeks:

 
Kreskin

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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Les, lets use the miscarriage topic and relate it to the right to life argument. Approximately 1 in 300-400 amnio procedures result in miscarriage of viable pregnancies (or perhaps 1 in 200 with a CVS procedure). Would our society allow for a doctor to perform a routine regular examination of a delivered baby whereby by the examination procedure resulted in death of every 1 in 300-400? Of course not. If a fetus had the same rights as any delivered human then they would require protection from more than just abortion. Everything about prenatal care would need to change. If not, it's an admission that there is in fact a big difference between the rights of the born and the unborn.
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

L Gilbert said:
Fetus at 11 weeks:


Fetus at 18 weeks:


Fetus at 25 weeks:

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Looks pretty human to me. I think his nibs has got about 45 years of catching up to do. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Kreskin said:
Les, lets use the miscarriage topic and relate it to the right to life argument. Approximately 1 in 300-400 amnio procedures result in miscarriage of viable pregnancies (or perhaps 1 in 200 with a CVS procedure). Would our society allow for a doctor to perform a routine regular examination of a delivered baby whereby by the examination procedure resulted in death of every 1 in 300-400? Of course not. If a fetus had the same rights as any delivered human then they would require protection from more than just abortion. Everything about prenatal care would need to change. If not, it's an admission that there is in fact a big difference between the rights of the born and the unborn.
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Legally, I agree. The legal system thinks as SJP does, that a baby isn't a baby until it is physically free from the mother. Scientifically and logically (deductive logic that is), though, there is life from day 1. As most humans prefer sexual relations with other humans, the life inside humans is human, but up until viability it is not yet a developed human life.
BTW, I like what wifey said: an apple isn't an apple till it leaves the tree. lol
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

karrie said:
Humanity ought to grant a fetus the rights of common sense.

Common sense would dictate to me that punching a woman's pregnancy to death means you've done something beyond just punch her, and you know it. It would dictate that you are, indeed, one of the mentally unbalanced, the cruel, the unusual, that we do not want walking amongst the general population, and ought to be sentenced in that light. I don't care how law classifies it.

Common sense.
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just felt since some people keep grasping at straws of absurdity, I'd bump this.

If only people had a smidgen of common sense.
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

You won't find much common sense when people are arguing about abortion.

It goes the the heart of many people's beliefs, and therefore many people become irrational.

I figure that if people want to have an abortion, they should be permitted to do so. End of story. I don't gussy it up with arguments about when life starts, etc, those arguments, while interesting, have nothing to do with abortion rights. In my opinion.
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

JLM said:
Looks pretty human to me. I think his nibs has got about 45 years of catching up to do. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Nah. He's just confusing his version of the legal view with his version of the scientific view and with his version of the religious view.
 
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Kreskin

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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

TenPenny said:
You won't find much common sense when people are arguing about abortion.

It goes the the heart of many people's beliefs, and therefore many people become irrational.

I figure that if people want to have an abortion, they should be permitted to do so. End of story. I don't gussy it up with arguments about when life starts, etc, those arguments, while interesting, have nothing to do with abortion rights. In my opinion.
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I agree. The 'when does life begin' debate is a red herring and really doesn't have much to do with anything.
 
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

TenPenny said:
You won't find much common sense when people are arguing about abortion.

It goes the the heart of many people's beliefs, and therefore many people become irrational.

I figure that if people want to have an abortion, they should be permitted to do so. End of story. I don't gussy it up with arguments about when life starts, etc, those arguments, while interesting, have nothing to do with abortion rights. In my opinion.
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Yep, it's just a matter of whose rights are more important, or how broad those rights should be extended. :smile:
 
petros

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Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Too bad aborted life couldn't be supported mechanically until reaching full term.
 
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