Canadian Government Pays Organization To Troll Political Chat Forums

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Canadian Government Pays Organization To Troll Political Chat Forums


Wednesday, 26 May 2010 06:07



'The next time you struggle to comprehend how someone could spend their time trolling the Internet in order to defend and downplay whatever government cover-up or abuse is in the news this week, consider the fact that they may be on a government payroll.
The Canadian government has been caught paying a media group to monitor online political discussion and respond to "misinformation," in order words to spread state-sanctioned propaganda, in the latest scandal to hit the Harper administration.'
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CDNBear

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What utter nonsense and spin Stretch, they were "caught" and they aren't trolling political forums. They made their actions well known, their intent is to counter the BS the ideologically driven spew....

If one is so inclined to actually investigate things beyond what the media spins it into, one would find a great deal of difference between reality and the reality the MSM and sometimes alternative media wants us to believe.

This is of course is spun into something completely different by the ideological f!cktards that permeate the net as well. The ones that spread the "hidden agenda" story, or use comparisons to Nazism, the USSR and McCarthyism, and so on.

I mean I can fully understand differing political ideologies, and interpretations, but when reality takes a back seat, someone has to counter it with some commonsense. I'm only one man, so I see this as a small blessing and a little re-enforcement.
 

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The Canadian government has been caught paying a media group to monitor online political discussion and respond to "misinformation," in order words to spread state-sanctioned propaganda, in the latest scandal to hit the Harper administration.'

The Conservative party has a lot of fundraising money to play with so this sounds feasible.
 

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What utter nonsense and spin Stretch, they were "caught" and they aren't trolling political forums. They made their actions well known, their intent is to counter the BS the ideologically driven spew....
Nothing wrong with that in itself. Perhaps if the FOI requests were applied to the vast majority of 'information' rather than the trickle that comes through these days, there would be fewer 'rumors' to begin with. Sometimes more than a few decades after the fact, which is too late to act on, or so it seems. All those 'hidden documents' are taxpayer owned documents, a newspaper has no 'legal responsibility' to only print the truth, it can knowingly print a lie and claim it is the truth. I don't think that should apply to an 'elected person' who has to swear an oath, to their employers rather than the crown, once they stop acting in that capacity they give up the right to represent the people and if the people have been saddled with a needless expense they deserve compensation.

If one is so inclined to actually investigate things beyond what the media spins it into, one would find a great deal of difference between reality and the reality the MSM and sometimes alternative media wants us to believe.
Freedom to information is the best way to prevent that sort of thing, the Gov and big Biz go to great lengths to make sure their 'important' meeting are never made known public.
When somebody with the power to do harm, as well as good to the ones it is supposed too protect, those 'protected ones' deserve the right to examine that 'employee' to make sure he is performing that duty rather than the current practice where somebody can be 'influenced' to support a cause that makes him richer but makes the citizens less safe. Not only a right but an obligation as the effects are more widespread than just a few individuals.

This is of course is spun into something completely different by the ideological f!cktards that permeate the net as well. The ones that spread the "hidden agenda" story, or use comparisons to Nazism, the USSR and McCarthyism, and so on.
References to Nazis are used by both sides, fact is the West (includes Israel) support some Nazi practices. War on cities from the air is a fad that has grown since WWII. The blitzkrieg has been named 'pre-emptive strike', invasions (or retaliation) justified through deception. In the case of Iraq it would appear the deception was meant more for the international community than local consumption in that the lies were made public years ago and zero things changed. In civilian life that would mean some sort of charge. Getting rewards (without complaint from the ones lied too) rather than being fired and jailed and the justification of not doing anything because they 'were lied to' turns to vapor.

I mean I can fully understand differing political ideologies, and interpretations, but when reality takes a back seat, someone has to counter it with some commonsense. I'm only one man, so I see this as a small blessing and a little re-enforcement.
When the voters only choice involves two people who are going to deliver the same agenda with nothing more than a different label. Neither party will make the Gov more transparent (in all it's dealings) and no party will take any real steps to undo what the other has done to get them voted out.
For as democratic as we say we are as a Nation going into Afghanistan on the word of somebody like the US Gov shows us to be just the opposite. On word alone we will supply men and material at our own expense (I assume) in Afghanistan and devote untold resourses in the 'war on terror' in general without doing any sort of investigation on our own. (the 5th Estate actually did the summary of the things that needed further investigation, something that never happened).

So if the Gov is paying people to supply 'answers' to the people does that mean they have the obligation to supply the 'truth with verifiable proofs'? lol, I think not.

If they are feeding lies then they are doing it with Government approval. The voters would probably like to know which it is before the next election. They might prefer somebody who tell them they are slaves and there is nothing they can do about it rather than 'everything is fine, go back to sleep.
 

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I liked it better when I was on your iggy list, I had to read and respond to far less bullshyte then.

Nothing wrong with that in itself. Perhaps if the FOI requests were applied to the vast majority of 'information' rather than the trickle that comes through these days, there would be fewer 'rumors' to begin with.
Bullshyte. There is only one question of interference pertaining to FOI, and it deals with a report that has historically been held back. This Gov't, for the first time ever released it, after an internal error was over turned.

Sometimes more than a few decades after the fact, which is too late to act on, or so it seems.
Th epresent Gov't established an 82 day time limit, it has been breached once, in regards to the report I already cited.

All those 'hidden documents' are taxpayer owned documents, a newspaper has no 'legal responsibility' to only print the truth, it can knowingly print a lie and claim it is the truth.
Absolutely, this applies to the internet and alternative news outlets. All one has to do is look to the crap you post as fact for proof of that.

Furthermore, there are some documents and certain material that has to be kept in secret to protect the country. If you can't grasp that, get help.

I don't think that should apply to an 'elected person' who has to swear an oath, to their employers rather than the crown, once they stop acting in that capacity they give up the right to represent the people and if the people have been saddled with a needless expense they deserve compensation.
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Freedom to information is the best way to prevent that sort of thing, the Gov and big Biz go to great lengths to make sure their 'important' meeting are never made known public.
True.
When somebody with the power to do harm, as well as good to the ones it is supposed too protect, those 'protected ones' deserve the right to examine that 'employee' to make sure he is performing that duty rather than the current practice where somebody can be 'influenced' to support a cause that makes him richer but makes the citizens less safe. Not only a right but an obligation as the effects are more widespread than just a few individuals.
:roll:

References to Nazis are used by both sides, fact is the West (includes Israel) support some Nazi practices. War on cities from the air is a fad that has grown since WWII. The blitzkrieg has been named 'pre-emptive strike', invasions (or retaliation) justified through deception. In the case of Iraq it would appear the deception was meant more for the international community than local consumption in that the lies were made public years ago and zero things changed. In civilian life that would mean some sort of charge. Getting rewards (without complaint from the ones lied too) rather than being fired and jailed and the justification of not doing anything because they 'were lied to' turns to vapor.
:roll:


When the voters only choice involves two people who are going to deliver the same agenda with nothing more than a different label. Neither party will make the Gov more transparent (in all it's dealings) and no party will take any real steps to undo what the other has done to get them voted out.
Do you live in the States? We have many parties in Canada.
For as democratic as we say we are as a Nation going into Afghanistan on the word of somebody like the US Gov shows us to be just the opposite. On word alone we will supply men and material at our own expense (I assume) in Afghanistan and devote untold resourses in the 'war on terror' in general without doing any sort of investigation on our own. (the 5th Estate actually did the summary of the things that needed further investigation, something that never happened).
:roll:

So if the Gov is paying people to supply 'answers' to the people does that mean they have the obligation to supply the 'truth with verifiable proofs'?
Yes. And I will challenge them to do so.

lol, I think not.
I agree, and I don't see anything funny about your lack of thought.
If they are feeding lies then they are doing it with Government approval.
And if it rained skittles, I would say we have a problem. You can live in your invisible world of alternate reality of if's and what not. I think I'll stick to cold hard facts thanks.

The voters would probably like to know which it is before the next election. They might prefer somebody who tell them they are slaves and there is nothing they can do about it rather than 'everything is fine, go back to sleep.
You love the make believe world don't you?

Go back to sleep mhz, you can be a viking there.
 

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I liked it better when I was on your iggy list, I had to read and respond to far less bullshyte then.
Hmmh, I can't recall if I ever did like you so FU2. Right from the first post about a certain aspect of treaty rights you've been a prick, what can I say. Today you don't bother me anymore than you did back then.

Bullshyte. There is only one question of interference pertaining to FOI, and it deals with a report that has historically been held back. This Gov't, for the first time ever released it, after an internal error was over turned.
How about a minute by minute report on events like the Bilderberg Group meetings they attend (@ taxpayer expense no doubt, as a gift from a corp is treason, lol, doesn't look good on a resume) of meetings that deal with the constitution directly ( Banff and Quebec for example ) How about all the notes on meetings that were held before a vote was taken on UN181. Does the public have the right to know. Once the public has to be kept in the dark for their won good it is time for down-sizing rather than up-sizing the secret things.

Th epresent Gov't established an 82 day time limit, it has been breached once, in regards to the report I already cited.
I would probably expand the list that comes from what the paid employees are doing that I would want to be available to a 'registered voter'. That would seem to give a citizen (voter) the right to film his employees if they are in the performance of the things they receive money for. That would apply to politicians and policemen. It is the taxpayer who pays all the costs of the court cases as well as fines and room & board if jail time is required. That would seem to benefit cost reduction and both would be on 'good behavior' watch.

Absolutely, this applies to the internet and alternative news outlets. All one has to do is look to the crap you post as fact for proof of that.
As it is neither group could provide any details on meetings like the two I mentioned above. The Government officials should have had to disclose the topics that would affect their 'employees'. One side covers it more than the other but the policy never changes, neither get to report the specifics.

Furthermore, there are some documents and certain material that has to be kept in secret to protect the country. If you can't grasp that, get help.
If dishonesty comes from meeting that are 'closed' then a reduction in that is the solution, making more things secret is counter-productive. Having the US tell our politicians how they are going to 'vote' or 'act' on the world stage can be counter-productive to the welfare of the voters. That gives the voter the right to fire them, at the very least. The charge treason springs to mind.

Do you live in the States? We have many parties in Canada.
We have one 'official opposition party' that comes with a house and servants and a very big credit card. The rest of the parties get crumbs and nothing else, they might as well head for the beach for all the good they do. We should have one party and 20 watchdog groups.

Yes. And I will challenge them to do so.
Confronting a liar sometimes requires doing more than asking them politely if they are telling the truth, investigate their activities where no door is considered to be closed.

I agree, and I don't see anything funny about your lack of thought.
And if it rained skittles, I would say we have a problem. You can live in your invisible world of alternate reality of if's and what not. I think I'll stick to cold hard facts thanks.
I even thought of changing that so you wouldn't be 'baited' to go off-topic'. The cold hard facts as presented after the closed door meetings. lol

You love the make believe world don't you?
Not as much as the moral majority it seems.

Go back to sleep mhz, you can be a viking there.
Do they still make washers and driers?
 

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Hmmh, I can't recall if I ever did like you so FU2. Right from the first post about a certain aspect of treaty rights you've been a prick, what can I say. Today you don't bother me anymore than you did back then.
Yet you obsess over me. On iggy, off iggy, make up your mind, or even better, go answer some questions you keep avoiding.

How about a minute by minute report on events like the Bilderberg Group meetings they attend (@ taxpayer expense no doubt, as a gift from a corp is treason, lol, doesn't look good on a resume) of meetings that deal with the constitution directly ( Banff and Quebec for example ) How about all the notes on meetings that were held before a vote was taken on UN181. Does the public have the right to know. Once the public has to be kept in the dark for their won good it is time for down-sizing rather than up-sizing the secret things.
Deviation from the topic, get a grip.

I would probably expand the list that comes from what the paid employees are doing that I would want to be available to a 'registered voter'. That would seem to give a citizen (voter) the right to film his employees if they are in the performance of the things they receive money for. That would apply to politicians and policemen. It is the taxpayer who pays all the costs of the court cases as well as fines and room & board if jail time is required. That would seem to benefit cost reduction and both would be on 'good behavior' watch.
Nope, still way out in left field.

As it is neither group could provide any details on meetings like the two I mentioned above. The Government officials should have had to disclose the topics that would affect their 'employees'. One side covers it more than the other but the policy never changes, neither get to report the specifics.
Still waiting for something relevant and not conspiracy BS related.

If dishonesty comes from meeting that are 'closed' then a reduction in that is the solution, making more things secret is counter-productive. Having the US tell our politicians how they are going to 'vote' or 'act' on the world stage can be counter-productive to the welfare of the voters. That gives the voter the right to fire them, at the very least. The charge treason springs to mind.
Still more incoherent crap.

We have one 'official opposition party' that comes with a house and servants and a very big credit card. The rest of the parties get crumbs and nothing else, they might as well head for the beach for all the good they do. We should have one party and 20 watchdog groups.
More babbling nonsense.

Confronting a liar sometimes requires doing more than asking them politely if they are telling the truth, investigate their activities where no door is considered to be closed.
I completely agree, which is why I ask you questions I know you can't answer. I do the same to anyone that comes along and tries to baffle us with BS. Some are more easy to expose, kind of like yourself.

I even thought of changing that so you wouldn't be 'baited' to go off-topic'. The cold hard facts as presented after the closed door meetings. lol
Still haven't taken your idiotic bait. Not that I think you're smart enough to actually bait.

Not as much as the moral majority it seems.
:lol:

Do they still make washers and driers?
Funny, still sad, but funny none the less.

Now, when you join us back in reality, try again.
 

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I completely agree, which is why I ask you questions I know you can't answer. I do the same to anyone that comes along and tries to baffle us with BS. Some are more easy to expose, kind of like yourself.

Still haven't taken your idiotic bait. Not that I think you're smart enough to actually bait.
Good for you, two correct statements. You intentionally bait (shock, shock, lol) and you answer my questions because there is no 'bait' in them.
With that we are done on this thread. lol
 

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Good for you, two correct statements.
There's more the two in there. But I doubt you have the ability to see them.

You intentionally bait (shock, shock, lol) and you answer my questions because there is no 'bait' in them.
I ignored your idiotic deviation bait. I find it not surprising that you don't understand that. Like I said, you aren't bright enough.
With that we are done on this thread. lol
You were done when you clicked "reply".
 

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Does anyone even have access to the messages which this company produced on taxpayers behalf? I for one would like to see them. If they are paid for by tax payers, then the information should be factual, and available.

Seems to me to be jumping the shark, to defend this stuff without knowing what the content actually is.