Big deal. I have a book that says there are aliens that have written a recipe book for cooking and eating humans. (The book contains a short story called To Serve Man)
None is more merciful than God Most Gracious
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God is All-Mighty
This is in the Quran 26: 9
وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ
The explanation:
(And your Lord [O Mohammed], indeed, is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.)
Therefore, God is Most Merciful exclusively to believers in the afterlife. It means: His mercy will not include the disbelievers in the afterlife.
On the other hand, He is All-Mighty in His sovereignty: He takes revenge of disbelievers, and they cannot escape His sentence.
Quran Interpretation
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So, in other words, 'your god' isn't really merciful. He only is 'merciful to people that bow to him and him only.
Now here's my problem. you can't force belief. The Almighty in its most gracious wisdom has blessed human kind with instinct - with the natural instninct to judge within itself, what is right or wrong.
Me? I'm of the opinion that the Almighty appears to people in the way that they will understand - which means, that the way the Almighty appearedto the Hebrew people seems more right to me than the way he appeared and appealed to the people in the Saudi Gulf. Me? I don't give a damn, as long as the message sent was the diety's message and not that of some disgruntled schlump who just wanted to 'be all that'. Sorry, your Prophet - even though he had some good things to say was just that. Some guy who wanted to make his mark and did so by using other people 's history, legends and stories - and even then, not having the respect to actually getting then right.
Look, for what it's worth, Ei Nassir? I feel sorry for your prophet. His heart was sort of in the right place, but everything else? I mean, if you want the descendants of the person whom you consider to be the patriarch of your new religion to accept you? At least give them the respect of when you talk about their history, to at least TRY to get it right and not just rely on fables and stories.
God is All-Mighty
This is in the Quran 26: 9
وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ
The explanation:
(And your Lord [O Mohammed], indeed, is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.)
Therefore, God is Most Merciful exclusively to believers in the afterlife. It means: His mercy will not include the disbelievers in the afterlife.
On the other hand, He is All-Mighty in His sovereignty: He takes revenge of disbelievers, and they cannot escape His sentence.
Quran Interpretation
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So, in other words, 'your god' isn't really merciful. He only is 'merciful to people that bow to him and him only.
Now here's my problem. you can't force belief. The Almighty in its most gracious wisdom has blessed human kind with instinct - with the natural instninct to judge within itself, what is right or wrong.
Me? I'm of the opinion that the Almighty appears to people in the way that they will understand - which means, that the way the Almighty appearedto the Hebrew people seems more right to me than the way he appeared and appealed to the people in the Saudi Gulf. Me? I don't give a damn, as long as the message sent was the diety's message and not that of some disgruntled schlump who just wanted to 'be all that'. Sorry, your Prophet - even though he had some good things to say was just that. Some guy who wanted to make his mark and did so by using other people 's history, legends and stories - and even then, not having the respect to actually getting then right.
Look, for what it's worth, Ei Nassir? I feel sorry for your prophet. His heart was sort of in the right place, but everything else? I mean, if you want the descendants of the person whom you consider to be the patriarch of your new religion to accept you? At least give them the respect of when you talk about their history, to at least TRY to get it right and not just rely on fables and stories.
As soon as I see any of that "hyerglyphics" in a post I "deep six", it. Any religion worth its salt can be written in English.............:lol::lol::lol::lol:
It doesn't matter much what anyone says to eanassir, I think
he wears blinkers, and just moves forward with his own
thoughts, not hearing anything that anyone says along the way, unless of course one agrees with him, but then of course, we don't have a translator handy, makes it
rather difficult to know what he's talking about at all.
Oh, I don’t know talloola. Sure he talks nonsense, he blindly believes in what Koran says and he dogmatically ignores any other viewpoint.
But he is polite, he doesn’t call anybody names, does not resort to personal insults and he never loses his temper. He talks his nonsense in a civil, polite manner, which is more than can be said about some posters here.
Yep, I guess he's a bit of an odd duck, but as old Henry Thoreau (think it was him) said "he marches to the beat of a different drummer". But the drum is getting a little irritating............................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
So that one might die innocent before we are consumed with sin. IN a world where we have created the disease of cancer (our sinful construct) it is merrily the affliction. Cancer is your own body killing you, ask yourself.
- lone wolf[/B, your disrespect proceeds you. The lord's mercy is at hand in your presence. Your ignorance acts as your bliss until the sheet is dawned from your head. It is not the amount you repeat it, it is the matter of understanding that it is true. Then your sky will be pink.
DurkaDurka, you racist prick no doubt, the Koran is not what makes it true, reality makes it so. The earth continues to provide for your worthless soul.
Darkbeaver, truly blessed
Praxius before you enetr a religious debate perhaps you shoudl first understand the ideals you are bashing. You failed to intimidate a single true element of faith, and repeatedly mention punishment to which I've never bared witness.
Sorry thats all I have enough care to read.
May the faithful stay faithful and the blind find sight. Love to all, and all. God bless
Thank you Eanassir for this opportunity, but perhaps your fear strikes to deep. God does not seek fearing followers, he comes to us with open arms so that we may love him.
God-fearing is the basis of wisdom.
God's mercy and grace is tremendous: He makes His sun shine for the believer and the disbeliever --> this is in the life of the World.
God's mercy [or God's love as you call it; and I shall use this word from now on according to your language expression; we call it God's mercy and it is also God's love] in the afterlife is exclusive for the monotheists: the devoted to God alone; His mercy will not reach the idolaters and associaters who assign equals or peers or sons to God.
Jesus - like the rest of God's apostles - is only a teacher not more; his words and instructions are according to revelation from God, and he - like the rest of God's apostles - should be obeyed. The obedience to the apostle is in fact the obedience to God that sent him.
Jesus Christ is neither any blade nor any shield but the savior of the believer who devoted himself to God alone; and cannot save any idolater or enthusiastic man; in fact he cannot save anyone unless by God's permission.
This is in the Quran
4: 131
وَللّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَلَقَدْ وَصَّيْنَا الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَنِ اتَّقُواْ اللّهَ وَإِن تَكْفُرُواْ فَإِنَّ لِلّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ غَنِيًّا حَمِيدًا
The explanation:
(Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth belongs to God;
We recommended those [Jews and Christians] given the Bible [lit. Scripture] before you as [have We recommended] you [in the Quran] that "you should ward off [God's punishment, and give the Zakat-alms to the poor];
but if you are ungrateful [to God's favor and become nig-gardly],
surely, all that is in the heavens and in the earth belongs to God;
surely, God is ever All-Sufficient, All-Laudable.)
www.quran-ayat.com
(Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth belongs to God;
We recommended those [Jews and Christians] given the Bible [lit. Scripture] before you as [have We recommended] you [in the Quran] that "you should ward off [God's punishment, and give the Zakat-alms to the poor];
but if you are ungrateful [to God's favor and become nig-gardly],
surely, all that is in the heavens and in the earth belongs to God;
surely, God is ever All-Sufficient, All-Laudable.)
www.quran-ayat.com
yes, he does that, but he seems 'not' to hear anyone, it's
as though one is talking to a robot, robots are neither
polite or rude.
I once told talloola: your feet is in the grave; but you should know talloola that my feet may also be in the grave or nearer than you; this is up to God;
but I said that because if one is going to meet his Lord: the Most Merciful, the Most Gracious; then he or she should be wise and prepare himself/herself to the next afterlife: that is by:
>> believe in God alone without associate.
>> never be against God Almighty: I mean even if you doubt then we should inquire and contemplate, not deny and be against God; because this will lead to extreme loss in this World and in the afterlife.
>> give some dresses to the poor for God's sake alone without associate and you will be dressed the same dresses that you give in the World, but that will be the ethereal image of the material dresses. Or else one will be naked in the afterlife world, and cannot buy any dresses to cover his/her shame.
>> give some food and fruit to the poor for God's sake alone without associate, and you will eat the same food that you contributed in the life of the World, but that will be the ethereal image of the material food and fruit.
>> give some furniture, blankets, dishes ...etc to the poor and needy for God's sake alone without associate and then you will have the ethereal images of the same material furniture and utensils and dishes that you contributed in the life of the World.
>> all that should be for the sake of God and seeking after His good pleasure; or else he/she will not rewrarded for any good work if he/she is atheist or idolater or associater.
The soul after death
Success and prosperity in the afterlife
As in the Quran 25: 23
وَقَدِمْنَا إِلَى مَا عَمِلُوا مِنْ عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ هَبَاء مَّنثُورًا
The explanation:
(And We shall turn to the [good] work [the associaters] did, and make it [as] scattered motes [: scattered by the wind, and they will not be rewarded for it.])
(And We shall turn to the [good] work [the associaters] did, and make it [as] scattered motes [: scattered by the wind, and they will not be rewarded for it.])
Thank you SJP, but you also and most of members here refuse to consider the wisdom of the Quran which I try to show to you.
Why not the civil and logical man should contemplate and consider; because there will be no book revealed after the Quran, other than only its interpretation.
As in the Quran 7: 185
أوَلَمْ يَنْظُرُوا في ملَكوتِ السّماواتِ والأرْضِ وما خَلَقَ اللهُ مِنْ شَيْءٍ وأنْ عَسَى أنْ يَكُونَ قَد اقْتَربَ أجَلُهُمْ فبِأيّ حَديثٍ بَعْدَهُ يُؤمِنُون ؟
The explanation:
(Have they not considered the kingdom of the heavens and the earth [the planets including the earth], and what things God has created,
and it may be their term [death hour] is already drawing nigh;
in what revelation, after this [Quran], then will they believe?)
www.quran-ayat.com
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Now you laugh, but who will have the last laugh?
See this in the Quran 83: 29-36
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ أَجْرَمُواكَانُواْ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يَضْحَكُونَ .وَإِذَا مَرُّواْ بِهِمْ يَتَغَامَزُونَ . وَإِذَا انقَلَبُواْ إِلَى أَهْلِهِمُ انقَلَبُواْ فَكِهِينَ . وَإِذَا رَأَوْهُمْ قَالُواإِنَّ هَؤُلَاء لَضَالُّونَ . وَمَا أُرْسِلُواعَلَيْهِمْ حَافِظِينَ . فَالْيَوْمَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ مِنَ الْكُفَّارِ يَضْحَكُونَ . عَلَى الْأَرَائِك ِيَنظُرُونَ . هَلْ ثُوِّبَ الْكُفَّارُ مَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
The explanation:
(Surely, the sinners used to laugh at the believers.
(Surely, the sinners used to laugh at the believers.
And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other [in mockery.]
And when they returned to their families, they returned blithely.
And when they [: the disbelievers] encountered the [believers], they said [pointing to the believers], 'Certainly, these [believers] are astray!'
Yet they [: the disbelieveres] were not sent over them [: the believers] to record [their deeds and words; but for every man there is an angel: the "Ready Observer" to watch his deeds and write down his words.]
So this day [of Judgment, it is] the believers [who] do laugh at the disbelievers.
On couches, looking [to the trees, birds and palaces of Paradise.]
Have the disbelievers been rewarded for what [gifts, presents and sacrifices] they had worked [in the life of the World, not for God alone but for their idols and patrons?]
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I think he is on a mission of world evangelization, which is mandated by Koran (and by the Bible).
I was trying to figure out something concerning a video i saw recently called the Arrivals. 49 parts but well worth the time. The assessments made in the early parts seem to be quite accurate (without committing myself to any specific one). In that later parts there are 'interpretations' of the end from various aspects.
How accurate is the one for the Koran?
The latest 'Christian' one I saw was 'Countdown to Armageddon' and it might be very popular with the Evangelical crowd but it isn't very accurate when looking at the actual passages. There is a very short part that one of the promoters admits Israel has to be put into exile again after the 'God -inspired' gathering. No wonder he didn't elaborate on that. I can give you the time-stamp if you would like. Not to leave Israel out there is also a recent vid out on their view of 'some things'. 'The Prophecies of Israel' is more geared to dispelling what the last 12 books of the OT say in regards to 'the day of the Lord' and the arrival of the Messiah as King iand making all references to be all about Neb's Babylon.
It's quite easy to see how the Jews and the Christians in that vid could conspire to cause some real pain for the weakest on the planet (with unlimited funding). Could that be extended further than that. Revelation has up to 10 men that will be called the 'leaders' and Daniel 11 is about the very end of days and all those battles after the North and South kings are introduced are battles that happen in just a little over 3 years. No way in hell am I going to find a documentary that covers that angle. lol nor the part that makes common languages a greater bind that National borders. I'm not finished reading your 2022 part of your post so give me a bit of time. All sorts of ploys are possible for the current PTB to try and pull off some scam relating to prophecies (for all 3 major players) that is still premature to the real deal and no matter the extent they go to it cannot hurry God in way/shape/ or form from what has already been determined.
Haven't seen it, and won't, doesn't interest me. It bills itself as "This Series Explores the Revelations in World Religions Regarding the Arrivals of the Antichrist Dajjal, Imam Al-Mahdi, and The Second Coming of The Christ. " I've seen enough stuff like that, and studied enough other things, to know it's all made up.
Before the coming of some important prophet or apostle like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Al-Mahdi ... there will be many predictions and expectations and narrations and what some call it prophecies about the expected one.
There will be mixture of lies and truths of course: some fabrication +imagination ..etc.
So when Jesus was about to come (I mean his first coming), John Baptist his cousin the son of Prophet Zachariah started to invite people to repent and follow the Commandments of God.
At that time, people were expecting three persons the Christ, Prophet Mohammed and the Al-Mahdi: Elia of the last days whose coming was expected through narrations and prophecies;
so they came to John and said: "You are speaking with authority! So are you the Messieh (the Christ)?"
He said: No.
They said: "Are you the Prophet?"
He said: No.
They said: "Are you Elia (who had died some thousand years ago?)"
He said: "No"
They said: "What are you then?"
He said: "I am a cry in the wilderness inviting you to repent, and I prepare the way for the Christ: the Messieh"
So there were many prophecies about Jesus: some truths mixed with many lies; and when he came some proved to be true and others false. But Jesus himself proved to be true.
The same about Prophet Mohammed and his sign: the "seal of prophecy" on his right shoulder. So many things proved true and other prophecies predicting his coming were proved false. But Prophet Mohammed himself proved to be true.
Now Al-Mahdi also: there are many "prophecies" concerning his advent and the advent of the Messieh; certainly some are true and some are fabricated, but none can assert that the Mahdi is a fabrication according to the much many prohecies telling about him.
I have not understood your question, MHz. Better explain it in summary
This is not from the interpreter as I said; but somebody wrote this and he said there is the rule of the number 19 X as a rule: since 1947 or 1948 the date of the start of their Israel state then adding 19 years will come 1965 when they occupied Jerusalem ...etc and so on by calculations he reached this date of 2022 or 2023; but I said I am not sure 100%.
In the Quran there are many marvels including some implied dates like the counting using the letters as enumerical values: the alphabet a b c ..etc.
أ =1
ب =2
ج =3
د =4
...etc. This way of calculation was known to the Arab; see the Munjid dictionary if you know Arabic حساب الجمل or using the alphabet as numbers and calculation: because the Arab had not paper at that time and they use the poetry to fix some dates to be remembered like the birth of someone or the building of some bridge ...etc.
So this is the miracle of the Quran: it includes many telling about things that even did not occur and was not in the mind of people at that time.
I may give you many examples; but this needs some time of translation; here is some in summary:
God - be glorified - said in the Quran 84: 19
لَتَرْكَبُنَّ طَبَقًا عَن طَبَقٍ
The explanation:
([That] you [people] shall traverse a plane after another.)
This Quranic revelation indicates also and points out to inventing the airplane, which man uses, and which will raise him up to the layers of the sky: a layer after another; and that this will take place in the nineteenth century; [ its number in the Quran, in this soorah is 19. ]
So in the nineteenth century, they started to use the balloons then the airplanes were invented.
Another example: the date of the appearance of the interpretation of the Quran.
God - be exalted - in the Quran, chapter 38: 88
([That] you [people] shall traverse a plane after another.)
This Quranic revelation indicates also and points out to inventing the airplane, which man uses, and which will raise him up to the layers of the sky: a layer after another; and that this will take place in the nineteenth century; [ its number in the Quran, in this soorah is 19. ]
So in the nineteenth century, they started to use the balloons then the airplanes were invented.
Another example: the date of the appearance of the interpretation of the Quran.
God - be exalted - in the Quran, chapter 38: 88
وَلَتَعْلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُ بَعْدَ حِينٍ
The explanation:
( And you [people] shall surely come to know, after a time, the truth thereof.) It means after a period of time.
So if you calculate the values of the letters of the word حِين you will see it 68
Moreover, God-be exalted- said in chapter 75: 19
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ
The explanation:
(Then [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people])
It means: the explanation of what revelations of the Quran were mysterious to them, and which they do not understand their meaning.
And if you also calcualate the value of the letters of the word بَيَانَهُ you will also find it 68 which means: the interpretation started at 1968 Christian calendar and completed at 1368 Hijree Arabi.
See more details here: The “Abrogation”
There are many other examples to this miracle which I may explain later to let others know what the Quran is that neither Mohammed nor all the Arab and the non-Arab can do anything similar to it.
( And you [people] shall surely come to know, after a time, the truth thereof.) It means after a period of time.
So if you calculate the values of the letters of the word حِين you will see it 68
Moreover, God-be exalted- said in chapter 75: 19
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ
The explanation:
(Then [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people])
It means: the explanation of what revelations of the Quran were mysterious to them, and which they do not understand their meaning.
And if you also calcualate the value of the letters of the word بَيَانَهُ you will also find it 68 which means: the interpretation started at 1968 Christian calendar and completed at 1368 Hijree Arabi.
See more details here: The “Abrogation”
There are many other examples to this miracle which I may explain later to let others know what the Quran is that neither Mohammed nor all the Arab and the non-Arab can do anything similar to it.