Religion and politics a bad mix!

Bar Sinister

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just another excuse by the brain dead to bash Christianity in general. Nothing new.

Brilliant observation. I am certain the theocracy in Iran would be pleased to have you are their side to support their wonderful mix of politics and religion. Perhaps you could also consider applying to the Taliban as a potential spokesperson for their cause.
 

Dexter Sinister

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What is the link that connects religion to politics?
Well, since politics is a human activity, and most humans have religious beliefs that affect their opinions and judgments and behaviour, it would seem perfectly obvious. Much of the political right's objections to abortion and same sex marriage, for instance, are essentially religiously based, just as most of the political left's focus on what it generally calls something like social justice are also rooted in religion. Think of Stephen Harper, Stockwell Day, Preston Manning... they're all serious Christians of some sort. And Tommy Douglas, by most measures the founder of legitimate leftism in this country, was originally a Baptist minister. Interesting how such fundamentally similar religious beliefs can produce such different political attitudes though.

I don't see any intrinsic harm in politicians having religious beliefs, and realistically it could hardly be otherwise, the harm comes when people try to force their religious beliefs on others and invoke sanctions against those who believe differently. That's why the church and state must be kept separate, political leaders cannot also be religious leaders, and vice versa. The church cannot have secular authority, neither can the state have religious authority, or nobody's life, liberty, or property, will be secure.
 
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Brilliant observation. I am certain the theocracy in Iran would be pleased to have you are their side to support their wonderful mix of politics and religion. Perhaps you could also consider applying to the Taliban as a potential spokesperson for their cause.

He'd probably be over qualified.
 

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What is the link that connects religion to politics?


 

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Oops, American...

Oops, another American. Not even a politician.

Uh oh, another American
There you have it, religion in the American political landscape.

So what does all that have to do with Harper?

I hope the Canadian people have seen enough wrong in Harper's one man show, and will not allow him the right to a majority.
Can I ask you to define wrong for me?

Abortion , gay rights on same sex marriage all will be put away in the name of Christianity or Evangelical belief.
And how will that happen?

just another excuse by the brain dead to bash Christianity in general. Nothing new.
Really?

Just cuz you post it twice doesn't make it Canadian, or a politician.

I noticed you ignored this...

Quote:In the 1988 election, Liberals received half of their support from Catholics. And in 1988, about half of regular church-going Catholics said that abortion should be permitted following medical consultation. At this time, Catholics mirrored the opinion of all Canadian respondents.
It may be that the Canadian Catholic community is disassociated from many of the socially conservative pronouncements from the Vatican.
During the 2004 federal election, Catholic support for the Liberal Party was still strong (43%) and Conservatives held significant Protestant support (49%).
When the question of same-sex marriage was asked of Canada's various religious denominations, a majority of Protestants (68%) were opposed, while Catholics were evenly split: 50 per cent opposed and 50 per cent in favour.
When all voting age Canadians were asked for their opinion on same-sex marriage, 47 per cent were in support and 53 per cent opposed. What is noteworthy about this finding is that it seems Catholics were more aligned with general consensus and did not abide by Catholic Church doctrine, particularly as same-sex marriage is proscribed by the Vatican.
Likely because you suffer from the same disease SJP does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqheXO2lEgc&feature=related

Uh oh, a Liberal MP pandering to a terrorist group, surrounded by the flags of the LTTE...

Gurbax Singh Malhi, Liberal MP for Bramalea-Gore-Malton

YouTube - National Post : Liberal MP slammed for appearance at Tamil Tigers rally

So it has. On Sunday, 15,000 Quebecers, mostly Lebanese-Canadians, marched for "justice and peace" in Lebanon. That sounds benign, but in fact the march was a virulently anti-Israel rally, and scattered amongst the crowd were a number of Hezbollah flags and placards. Leading the parade were Bloc Quebecois chief Gilles Duceppe, Liberal MP Denis Coderre, PQ chief Andre Boisclair, and Amir Khadir, spokesman for the new far-left provincial party, Solidarite Quebec.
All four politicians had signed a statement by the organizers the day before the march, in which Israel is lambasted for its depredations in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank -- but the word "terrorism" is never mentioned, nor Hezbollah assigned any blame for the war.

Read more: The rise of Quebecistan

Uh oh!

Liberals entertaining terrorists again...:lol:
 

gerryh

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Brilliant observation. I am certain the theocracy in Iran would be pleased to have you are their side to support their wonderful mix of politics and religion. Perhaps you could also consider applying to the Taliban as a potential spokesperson for their cause.


Typical response from the brain dead.
 

karrie

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Yeah, religion and politics is a 'bad mix'... but the religious are not the only ones guilty of mixing them. The irrational fear or what religious people might think or do seems to drive some people to some pretty ridiculous assumptions. People like that do as much damage as any religious person could. Take for example being against abortion.... plenty of peole jump to the conclusion that religion is the only thing that can drive someone to be against it, and impede any understanding of the view of the person they are arguing with. Take being a Conservative... plenty of people assume you must be religious to be one, and improperly jump to stupid assumptions even when talking to a Conservative atheist. Take the assumptions people make if you ARE religious.... I'm apparently supposed to be against gay marriage.

Letting your assumptions and fears drive you is an unintelligent way to make political decisions, but it's not unique to the religious in any way shape or form.
 
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People put politicians in office, and that speaks to the fibber of Conservative bigotry, wake up. What more proof does one need to understand that Conservetivism is submerged in hypocritical bible thumping. American or Canadian Christianity show me where they are miles apart from each other. Many Christian youth hate Obama. Why?
 

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People put politicians in office, and that speaks to the fibber of Conservative bigotry, wake up.
Uh oh!!!

Quote:Quote:In the 1988 election, Liberals received half of their support from Catholics. And in 1988, about half of regular church-going Catholics said that abortion should be permitted following medical consultation. At this time, Catholics mirrored the opinion of all Canadian respondents.
It may be that the Canadian Catholic community is disassociated from many of the socially conservative pronouncements from the Vatican.
During the 2004 federal election, Catholic support for the Liberal Party was still strong (43%) and Conservatives held significant Protestant support (49%).
When the question of same-sex marriage was asked of Canada's various religious denominations, a majority of Protestants (68%) were opposed, while Catholics were evenly split: 50 per cent opposed and 50 per cent in favour.
When all voting age Canadians were asked for their opinion on same-sex marriage, 47 per cent were in support and 53 per cent opposed. What is noteworthy about this finding is that it seems Catholics were more aligned with general consensus and did not abide by Catholic Church doctrine, particularly as same-sex marriage is proscribed by the Vatican.
And what about the Liberals courting Terrorist groups? Or did you conveniently miss that ?
 

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People put politicians in office, and that speaks to the fibber of Conservative bigotry, wake up. What more proof does one need to understand that Conservetivism is submerged in hypocritical bible thumping. American or Canadian Christianity show me where they are miles apart from each other. Many Christian youth hate Obama. Why?

Social conservatism is one facet of conservatism, I don't suppose you could wrap your brain around that?

You're just as bad as some of the right wingers who like to pigeon hole anyone even mildly liberal as being a socialist. Stick your labels where the sun don't shine.
 

eh1eh

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Typical response from the brain dead.


You yourself are religious so therefore have a rather tainted and biased view. Religion is the great equalizer among religious persons. It puts you all on the same level, being, read the book, obey. To bad you can't be a free thinker as you have your religion to dictate, err, I mean guide your way. Your brain is as alive as the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
 

karrie

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You yourself are religious so therefore have a rather tainted and biased view. Religion is the great equalizer among religious persons. It puts you all on the same level, being, read the book, obey. To bad you can't be a free thinker as you have your religion to dictate, err, I mean guide your way. Your brain is as alive as the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
You've been around the forums enough, and talked to enough moderate religious people, to know you're flat out lying right now. Gerry doesn't 'follow' the church, and is directly opposed to them on certain issues such as gay marriage. He also doesn't fit Soc's stupid assertion that he votes according to his religion, since from everything I've seen, Gerry's doesn't fit the bill as a Conservative.
 

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People put politicians in office, and that speaks to the fibber of Conservative bigotry, wake up.
Geee. People put politicians in office? That's the Conservative way? I suppose the Gliberal way preference is just straight dictatorship?
What more proof does one need to understand that Conservetivism is submerged in hypocritical bible thumping.
And Gliberals have their own version of morality, too. We saw some of that sort of morality with Shawinigate, Adscam, Martin's fundraising for a terrorist group, etc. ad nauseum. YOU wake up. There's just as much wrong with the Gliberal party as there is with the Cons.
 

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Q&A: What Barack Obama Prays For - Newsweek.com

I am a big believer in not just words, but deeds and works. I don't believe that the Kingdom of God is achievable on Earth without God's intervention, and without God's return through Jesus Christ, but I do believe in improvement.

but I often have my Bible with me.
I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior
Do you pray in your personal life?
Yes, I do.
Daily?
Yeah, every day.

Barack Obama
 

AnnaG

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You yourself are religious so therefore have a rather tainted and biased view. Religion is the great equalizer among religious persons. It puts you all on the same level, being, read the book, obey. To bad you can't be a free thinker as you have your religion to dictate, err, I mean guide your way. Your brain is as alive as the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
Bull. There are lots of religious people who can think quite well. It is just that they have only one fulcrum point to think from and that is that everything in the universe comes from one source.
 

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Social conservatism is one facet of conservatism, I don't suppose you could wrap your brain around that?
You're just as bad as some of the right wingers who like to pigeon hole anyone even mildly liberal as being a socialist. Stick your labels where the sun don't shine.

what labels? both ideologies have their History, Socialists are not on record trying to kill abortion Doctors and kill women by stopping a birth that can kill being their bodies are in such weak condition, thus not allowing a safe delivery for the mother.

http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no7/no07abor.html


‘‘The plurality opinion is filled with winks and nods and knowing glances to those who would do away with Roe explicitly, but turns a stone face to anyone in search of what the plurality conceives as the scope of a woman’s right under the due process clause to terminate a pregnancy free from the coercive and brooding influence of the State...