Should Canada revoke freedom of religion for Muslims?
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Maybe in my post #113 I should have said:
In spite of howls to the contrary, Canada and the United States are still PREDOMINANLY CHRISTIAN countries.
Religion in Canada - New World Encyclopedia - Canada
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html - United States
In spite of howls to the contrary, Canada and the United States are still PREDOMINANLY CHRISTIAN countries.
Religion in Canada - New World Encyclopedia - Canada
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html - United States
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So what? As Thomas Jefferson said, people shouldbe free to worship as they wish UNLESS those beliefs conflict withthe law. His example regarding the sacrifice ofd children says it all.
and you talk about the PREDOMINANCE of Christianity, well again, so what? I sincerely doubt the Church I was raised in resembles the one you belong to. You're Roman Catholic, I'm not. There are MANY aspects of your faith that I find anathema. Your faith is anti-Choice and seems to believe that it's priests are above the law. Does that mean that if there are more Roman Catholics than Protestants, that Protestants must bow to the will of those who follow the more repressive Roman Catholic Church? Next thing you know, birth control will become illegal and women will be sent back to the kitchen under the thumbs of their husbands because as that little man, St. Paul said in Ephesians 5:22 - 5:24, '22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: 23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things" And that's from the Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims version of the New Testament.
Which I find interesting - I've been through my New Testament with a fine tooth comb, and I've never read of Jesus saying ANYTHING about women's 'proper place'. It's only those Johnny -Come - Latelys like Paul who come out with that drivel.
But I say again, if we are to follow the whims and will of the majority, and if the majority are Roman Catholics , does that mean that we have to go back to the middle ages when it comes to rights?
Howl on, YJ, howl on.
Downhome Woman, cool your jets and do not consider the opinion of other people as "howls" in spite of the fact that those opinions are supported by solid facts.
CHRISTIAN is not only Roman Catholic, and I never meant it to be understood as such. The splits in Christianity over the centuries have not erased the fact, that Baptists, Calvinists, Methodists, Evangelicals, etc., are all Christans and there are more things in common between them than there are between Christians and let's say, Muslims.
You seem to be all hung up about hypotheticals about what the world would be if it was run on Catholic principles. Have you considered what it would be like under Sharia law? Good guess that you would be forced to hiding under your burka and face the real threat of stoned to death if you don't obey.
So, stow your anti-Christian bias and face reality. For undeniable examples just look in the Middle East, with the obvious exception of Israel.
CHRISTIAN is not only Roman Catholic, and I never meant it to be understood as such. The splits in Christianity over the centuries have not erased the fact, that Baptists, Calvinists, Methodists, Evangelicals, etc., are all Christans and there are more things in common between them than there are between Christians and let's say, Muslims.
You seem to be all hung up about hypotheticals about what the world would be if it was run on Catholic principles. Have you considered what it would be like under Sharia law? Good guess that you would be forced to hiding under your burka and face the real threat of stoned to death if you don't obey.
So, stow your anti-Christian bias and face reality. For undeniable examples just look in the Middle East, with the obvious exception of Israel.
I would not want to be under Sharia law any more than I would want to live under any theocracy.Anti Christian bias? Don't think so - I just take issue with the denominations and sects that call themselves Christian but rather than follow Jesus, follow the likes of Paul.
As far as hypotheticals? That's what seems to fuel your diatribes. Sure someone floated the idea of legitimizing Sharia law in Ontario - and where did that go? No where. I don't want Islam banned in Canada because if Islam is banned, then what other religion will be banned.
By the way, don't confuse me with all those who say that Islam is a 'peaceful' religion - I've read my Koran and I know that it grew through conquest and subjugation - and its 'prophet' was pro violence.
Christianity also grew through subjugation and violence. The odd thing is, there is nothing said by Jesus that ever condoned the submission of women or the forcible conversion of others. It's the followers.
]Trust me - I'm against ANY theocracy. and while we may have a majority of Christians in this country that does not mean that we are a 'Christian' country. Our laws are not based in religion.
Howl on YJ, howl on ...
:roll: 2 out of 3 of your examples are NOT Muslim. That's fine though, it's always nicer when the bigots wave the red flag of stupidity. Makes them easier to identify.
To say nothing of the persecution that the Christians have but on the shoulders of all who oppose her and her corrupt ways. If we expect Muslims to weed out the terrorists in their group while we take Nations to the poor house and subject others to punishments and forceful invasions then why aren't we doing what we ask them to do 'for the good of humanity'.
A turban is an religious symbol, as it is the RCMP is a political entity so it should not bend to the standards of a certain religion and if it does it should bend equally to the all. Christians can wear a 'crown of barb-wire' in public rather than a piece of decorative jewelry.
They're also predominantly Anglo-Saxon. So what about the First Nations and their freedom of religion, culture, language, etc.?
Are you now asking us to adopt a Borg mentality?
Machjo, I hope you find a big enough band-aid for your bleeding heart.
Throughout history all kinds of nations/peoples have been conquered and subjugated. Most of them are actually EXTINCT. The fortunate ones like the so-called "First Nations" of North America (BTW how many FIRST can there be by definition) are flourishing, far better off than those who did not have an honourable conqueror like the British and the Americans.
Can you honestly say that the so-called First Nations are denied their rights?
Throughout history all kinds of nations/peoples have been conquered and subjugated. Most of them are actually EXTINCT. The fortunate ones like the so-called "First Nations" of North America (BTW how many FIRST can there be by definition) are flourishing, far better off than those who did not have an honourable conqueror like the British and the Americans.
Can you honestly say that the so-called First Nations are denied their rights?
Don't forget your protection...;-)
I don't know if you noticed mhz, but Christianity has come a long way, since the era's you be thinking of.
So what about it?
I can't...But I question the wisdom of a post that contains the words "so called", when discussing the First Nations...:lol:
Seems like the RCC is in damage control, as should most of the other congregations, these days. Christians are as blood thirsty as anybody when the mob mentality is invoked via real or imagined events. We stand for the protection of the rights of a pregnant Caribou over the rights of any body from Afghanistan or Iraq. Muslim is the new word for the new cold war enemy that the 'military/ need to jystify it's existance. Being the protector of big business is not something the taxpayers should support. The closed door meeting have not changed at all in 500 years, the Church will not speak out against the State because the State will help protect the Clergy from the flock should they ever demand an accounting for corrupt practices.
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This is a very important question because the Conservative government talked about changing the Citizenship Act where the government could pull a Canadian citizen papers and deport them back to their country.
With a Conservative majority that is still a possibility.
they have been pretty good at empty promises .
I doubt they would go through with it
This is only because they have a minority government when they get the majority then Canadian rights would be shackled
I couldn't quote two consecutive words in the Charter. Just seeing that the Charter protects the "rights" of the likes of Clifford Olson and Paul Bernardo is enough for me and knowing that Trudeau was the author of it clinches it. :smile::smile: