Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

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Tonington

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Please do not have children. Most parents want better things for their children than than they had, but you want us to revert to poorer times.

You'd have to be quite ideologically blind to have missed what he was talking about. He's saying that we currently waste energy, and in the future we will be conserving energy, and on top of that in the future people will view our luxurious use of energy as wasteful.

So what would you call saving non-renewable resources and not destroying our renewable resources so that future generations can have some use of them, if not wanting better things for your children? Wanting a better world for your children doesn't mean wanting them to have more iPods than the current bunch...
 

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So what would you call saving non-renewable resources and not destroying our renewable resources so that future generations can have some use of them, if not wanting better things for your children?
You need to read the writings of Thomas Gold, one of the great minds of the 20th century.
 

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You need to understand that there is such a thing as replacement values, and when resources are consumed at a rate beyond replacement values, then the resource is diminished. And you need to understand that fossil reserves are finite. So using energy extravagantly-read wastefully- is only to the detriment of future generations who might also want to benefit from those resources.
 

Walter

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And you need to understand that fossil reserves are finite. So using energy extravagantly-read wastefully- is only to the detriment of future generations who might also want to benefit from those resources.
More and more believe that so-called fossil fuels are anything but fossil in origin. I do agree that watesfullness is detrimental but where are you going to cut back?
 

Tonington

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So what? If more people believe in the flying spaghetti monster that doesn't mean it exists. How much oil has been pumped using an abiotic model of exploration? Show me the chemistry for creating the long chain hydrocarbons without biologic mechanisms involved. More than that, why is the oil found in predictable ages of deposits? If oil is being created all the time by Earth geo-chemistry, there should be very little consistency in the age of the deposits where the oil is found.

I can only cut back as far as the infrastructure and consumer products in my area allows. We have a fuel efficient car, and I car pool. We have energy efficient appliances, but not all. Once I replace all of those, what is there left? We eat local foods when we can, and we eat very little meat compared to the North American average. We have no options for purchasing power, there's only one provider, but they do have renewable energy mandates. So, anyways, we're below the Canadian average, and we're going lower all the time. Eventually we will hit a wall where my salary isn't enough to fund further improvements. We're not there yet though.
 

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"So what? If more people believe in the flying spaghetti monster that doesn't mean it exists."

By the same token, no matter the number of people in MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING, does not mean that it exists.
 

Tonington

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"So what? If more people believe in the flying spaghetti monster that doesn't mean it exists."

By the same token, no matter the number of people who believe that MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING exits, does not mean that it exists.

The spaghetti monster is not the same as scientific results. Fail.

ETA: And who here mentioned more people believing in man made climate change as an example of anything?
 

petros

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not destroying our renewable resources so that future generations can have some use of them, if not wanting better things for your children?
What children? The "green" movement is a genocidal movement.
 

darkbeaver

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You need to understand that there is such a thing as replacement values, and when resources are consumed at a rate beyond replacement values, then the resource is diminished. And you need to understand that fossil reserves are finite. So using energy extravagantly-read wastefully- is only to the detriment of future generations who might also want to benefit from those resources.

As long as there's fossil making biology the planet will make fossils.
 

petros

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What specific resource are you thinking of? Certainly not hydro carbons which are made as fast as the current passes through the raw material.
You can get methane in minutes but petroleum takes heat and immense pressure and once again aneorbic conditions hence the name "fossil fuels" rather than paleo fuels.
 
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