Tory G8 abortion stance

[Socrates the Greek]

Can you be just a bit more specific? I'll look them up, & provide links.

How more specific can I be? I explained, why if Canada is looking to help Africa's pregnant women and children, why exclude the 12 year old or the woman who has 7 kids on the way to have the eighth birth and dies during birth because she is malnutrition? If we support abortion in Canada isn’t it humane to support these two examples? When in fact we are already allocating $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to help an undeveloped country like Africa.:canada:

 

[gerryh]

How more specific can I be? I explained, why if Canada is looking to help Africa's pregnant women and children, why exclude the 12 year old or the woman who has 7 kids on the way to have the eighth birth and dies during birth because she is malnutrition? If we support abortion in Canada isn’t it humane to support these two examples? When in fact we are already allocating $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to help an undeveloped country like Africa.:canada:

Africa is not a country, it is a continent. All anyone wants is for you to list the country's that Canada has said no to funding abortions.

 

[lone wolf]

How more specific can I be? I explained, why if Canada is looking to help Africa's pregnant women and children, why exclude the 12 year old or the woman who has 7 kids on the way to have the eighth birth and dies during birth because she is malnutrition? If we support abortion in Canada isn’t it humane to support these two examples? When in fact we are already allocating $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to help an undeveloped country like Africa.:canada:

Africa is a continent....

 

[DaSleeper]

Please provide the link where I am alleged to say that? You just made up your own crap. What I said was:

Sock ... is abortion legal in those countries?

Please learn to read ... and quote me verbatim. Otherwise, it's just propaganda - gossip

Wolf...Yer wasting your breath....It took me less than two minutes to find the list of countries in Africa where abortion was legal...
This is just an excuse to keep this Conservative bashing thread going like the EverReady bunny:smile:

 

[JLM]

Who gives a damn whether abortion is legal in Canada (with respect to this thread) Canada is NOT the law beyond our shores. It ain't rocket science.

Holy sh*t Lone Wolf- Canada has the Charter, which would automatically make it the "template" by which ALL countries in the world should pass laws and govern themselves accordingly.......................Who cares what right wingers in Ethiopia are thinking? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Please provide the link where I am alleged to say that? You just made up your own crap. What I said was:

Sock ... is abortion legal in those countries?

Please learn to read ... and quote me verbatim. Otherwise, it's just propaganda - gossip

Hey easy with the fonts, answer this question then why we should help pregnant women and children in Africa and exclude a pregnant woman who may die if she caries the pregnancy to full term, and stop throwing rocks........

The G7 are not interested in propaganda and gossip, they are serious about providing a safe guard for destitute pregnant women, and realise that Harper is a hypocrite, I did not say that first with regards to the abortion issue.:canada:

 

[lone wolf]

Hey easy with the fonts, answer this question then why we should help pregnant women and children in Africa and exclude a pregnant woman who may die if she caries the pregnancy to full term, and stop throwing rocks........

The G7 are not interested in propaganda and gossip, they are serious about providing a safe guard for destitute pregnant women, and realise that Harper is a hypocrite, I did not say that first with regards to the abortion issue.:canada:

Stop dodging and weaving so the damned rock can hit you. I'm not interested in propaganda or gossip either. Why the big font? Did you see the question? Try answering ... or you'll get more rocks and monkey poo and anything else that might get you thinking.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I guess that's why 29 percent of Canadians feel he'sthe best leader to be PM, while a whopping 17 percent feel that way about Ignatief.

Only 29% think that our Prime Minister is the best leader? And that is something to be proud of? If you are proud of Harper (with 29% rating), I assume you must be doubly proud of Obama (with approval of around 50%)? Or it doean't work that way?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

...and yet, here we are. Canada has Abortions, paid for by the Government,
for Canadians, in Canada. Whacky. I'm not defending Harper, but just pointing
out what Canada has to offer Canadians, in Canada, who contribute to the
Canadian tax base for health care...and still we help other nations with:

Training and support for frontline health workers.
Better nutrition and provision of micronutrients.
Treatment and prevention of diseases such as pneumonia, diarrhea, malaria, and sepsis.
Screening and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV/AIDS.
Family planning.
Immunization.
Clean water and sanitation.

That may be, but what good reason was there to exclude abortion, to change the well established policy (other than ideological and reigious reasons)?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hey look at reality and be sure you are wearing sunglasses when you do, because it may blind you. Abortion legal in Canada is not a Conservative achievement, but rather the Liberals have made it legal. If the Conservatives had their way they would make it illegal, and you can take that to the bank.

Quite so. Abortion is legal in Canada, not because of Conservatives, but in spite of them.

 

[JLM]

Abortion being legal in Canada doesn't necessarily make it a good thing and in no way should justify the use of abortion on a world wide basis (notwithstanding the fact that there are situations where abortion is warranted)

 

[Slim Chance]

No, I don’t neglect to recognize your rights as a citizen of the world. It appears you are neglecting the necessity for human compassion, instead, you are giving me an argument that deals with hypocritical fundamentals that deal with dollars and cents rather then showing human empathy to a very serous problem.

Life is hard... Get over it and move on... And yes, it does boil down to dollars and cents, unless you'd be satisfied if Harper agreed, in principle, that these women should really try and do something to get safe abortions and wished them well in their efforts to develop and run the clinics.

If that's what will make you and the G7 happy, then count me in - I'll happily support the play to pay lip-service to a principle as long as I don't have to fund everyone else's wish-list... hell, I support the plan to wish and hope for world peace and an end to famine and plague too.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Life is hard... Get over it and move on... And yes, it does boil down to dollars and cents, unless you'd be satisfied if Harper agreed, in principle, that these women should really try and do something to get safe abortions and wished them well in their efforts to develop and run the clinics.

If that's what will make you and the G7 happy, then count me in - I'll happily support the play to pay lip-service to a principle as long as I don't have to fund everyone else's wish-list... hell, I support the plan to wish and hope for world peace and an end to famine and plague too.

Now we are in some form of human understanding, and my logic is, if Harper would go to a war in Afghanistan and put out 148 lives and $50.000.000 with 0 return being that Afghanistan is soooooooo corrupt, and or champion the next G8 get-together in Ontario to help Pregnant women and children of Africa, then surely a reasonable contribution that won't brake the bank here at home, will make Canada SHINE FOR A LONG TIME ABROAD. But as you said IF Harper agrees, in which case he doesn’t, thus the G7 have labelled him a hypocrite because he is.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Africa is not a country, it is a continent. All anyone wants is for you to list the country's that Canada has said no to funding abortions.

my mistake African countries. Google it your self the facts are on the net.

 

[TenPenny]

Only 29% think that our Prime Minister is the best leader? And that is something to be proud of? If you are proud of Harper (with 29% rating), I assume you must be doubly proud of Obama (with approval of around 50%)? Or it doean't work that way?

Pride is something that comes to your mind, not mine. I was repeating a poll I saw today. Feel free to project your own feelings on others, not on me.

 

[Slim Chance]

Now we are in some form of human understanding, and my logic is, if Harper would go to a war in Afghanistan and put out 148 lives and $50.000.000 with 0 return being that Afghanistan is soooooooo corrupt, and or champion the next G8 get-together in Ontario to help Pregnant women and children of Africa, then surely a reasonable contribution that won't brake the bank here at home, will make Canada SHINE FOR A LONG TIME ABROAD. But as you said IF Harper agrees, in which case he doesn’t, thus the G7 have labelled him a hypocrite because he is.

You are pushing your personal agenda and attacking all those that don't share your beliefs.

I've asked you a couple of times now about what you have personally done or how much you have kicked in to get the abortion clinics going... The answer I'm looking for isn't related to how much is being spent in Afghanistan or what the G7 thinks about anything; hell the G7 thinks that Canada should stay in Afghanistan and voluntarily assume the crappiest and most dangerous assignments.... With that in mind, you can appreciate that I don't give a rat's a$$ about the G7 and what they think.

 

[CDNBear]

Now we are in some form of human understanding, and my logic is, if Harper would go to a war in Afghanistan and put out 148 lives and $50.000.000 with 0 return

Ummm, the Liberals sent our Troopers to Afghanistan Soc.

being that Afghanistan is soooooooo corrupt, and or champion the next G8 get-together in Ontario to help Pregnant women and children of Africa, then surely a reasonable contribution that won't brake the bank here at home, will make Canada SHINE FOR A LONG TIME ABROAD.

So if we contribute funds to educate women, provide much needed health initiatives and provide critical health services, other then abortion, we aren't doing enough?

But as you said IF Harper agrees, in which case he doesn’t, thus the G7 have labelled him a hypocrite because he is.

Why? What grounds do you or they have to label him a hypocrite? Where is the basis for this accusation?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Pride is something that comes to your mind, not mine. I was repeating a poll I saw today. Feel free to project your own feelings on others, not on me.

I don't think a day will ever arrive when I will be proud of Harper, Tenpenny.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You're right, it was a mistake.
I've made one now, you can sleep easily.

If you say so, though for the life of me I cannot see how one can make such a mistake. We are not talking of a spelling mistake here. It is not even as if you quoted a post from somebody else, mistakenly thought that it was from me and responded accordingly. I can understand that.

However, you mixed in my post with that of somebody else. What you did was, you quoted my post and responded to it. Then leaving that aside you went back to the forum, pulled out an entirely different post by somebody else, quoted it and added it to the post you were writing. Then you responded to it as if it also was my post. Then you posted the whole thing into the forum. Read your post #178 again.

How can one make a ‘mistake’ like that? You must really have been asleep at the keyboard. And it is ironic indeed, seeing that in the same post you accused me of being incapable of following a train of thought.

 

[TenPenny]

If you say so, though for the life of me I cannot see how one can make such a mistake. We are not talking of a spelling mistake here. It is not even as if you quoted a post from somebody else, mistakenly thought that it was from me and responded accordingly. I can understand that.

However, you mixed in my post with that of somebody else. What you did was, you quoted my post and responded to it. Then leaving that aside you went back to the forum, pulled out an entirely different post by somebody else, quoted it and added it to the post you were writing. Then you responded to it as if it also was my post. Then you posted the whole thing into the forum. Read your post #178 again.

How can one make a ‘mistake’ like that? You must really have been asleep at the keyboard. And it is ironic indeed, seeing that in the same post you accused me of being incapable of following a train of thought.

I understand that for you, it is difficult to comprehend making a mistake. Suffice to say, it does happen.

Case closed.