The stratified heavens: the gaseous layers of the stratosphere?
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This may be in the Torah re-written by Ezra: simply the Torah of Ezra not the Torah of God.
The Torah [or Hebrew Bible] of Ezra
There is nothing like this in the Glorious Quran, but prior to the creation of the heavens and the earth ( the planets including Earth) , the throne of the Lord was upon the water vapor scattered in the space.
As in the Quran 11: 7
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء...الخ
The explanation:
(It is [God] Who created the heavens and the earth in six days [: six thousand years], and His throne had been upon the water [vapor] …)
(It is [God] Who created the heavens and the earth in six days [: six thousand years], and His throne had been upon the water [vapor] …)
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It is said as such in the Quran استوى على العرش i.e. He mounted the throne.
And I asked Abu Abd Allah about this: he said: it is as such God mounted the throne as He sit on the chair; Glory be to God.
I said to him: How can that be true?
He said: It is written as such in the Quran, and I derive the interpretation from another aya about Noah: God said to him as in the Quran 23: 28
فَإِذَا اسْتَوَيْتَ أَنتَ وَمَن مَّعَكَ عَلَى الْفُلْكِ فَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي نَجَّانَا مِنَ الْقَوْمِ الظَّالِمِينَ
The explanation:
(And when you [Noah] have mounted on the Ark together with those with you, then say: "Praise be to God Who has saved us from the people of the wrong-doing.")
(And when you [Noah] have mounted on the Ark together with those with you, then say: "Praise be to God Who has saved us from the people of the wrong-doing.")
Also it is written in the Torah: the Psalms of David:
“Sing to God, O kingdoms of the earth: sing praise to the Lord. Sing to God Who mounted above the heaven of heavens.” [(Psalm 67: a psalm of canticle for David himself – 33-34)]
The "heaven of heavens" means the throne because it is situated over the ethereal heavens.
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And that's completely typical of your misapprehensions. Certainly the moon was hotter and was spinning faster than it is now at its formation, but that isn't why it's round. Take a first year physics course, then you might have something meaningful to say in this conversation. If you continue to rely on the Quran and al-Hilly for your knowledge of physics, you will continue to be wrong.
God mounted a throne? I thought mounting goats was bad enough. Now we have gods mounting inanimate objects. That is really perverse.
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Because He is the True Monarch; and His servants below His throne rejoicing in Paradise and fear of Him when He is above them.
As in the Quran 16: 50 about the angels in Paradise or the kingdom of heavens:
يَخَافُونَ رَبَّهُم مِّن فَوْقِهِمْ وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ
The explanation:
(They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.)
(They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.)
No of course, if it is hot and not solid to start with, it will be spherical when it will spin.
You will keep up with hindering people from the Quran until you will perish and lose.
Oooo! Living in fear of god in Paradise. Sounds like barrel of laughs. "I command you to have fun or else!". Eanassir, give yer head a shake.
Your way of sitting is hazardous from health and cleanliness point of view, specially if the diapers are loose.
Haha! I just crapped my pants. I do not fear god on Earth and I certainly have no ambition to fear god in paradise. My creator is a loving and benevolent being, not the psychopath that you worship.
They will never disobey Him when they see the doom of Hell for disbelievers.
And people of Paradise will say as in the Quran 37: 58-61
أَفَمَا نَحْنُ بِمَيِّتِينَ . إِلَّا مَوْتَتَنَا الْأُولَى وَمَا نَحْنُ بِمُعَذَّبِينَ . إِنَّ هَذَا لَهُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ . لِمِثْلِ هَذَا فَلْيَعْمَلْ الْعَامِلُونَ
The explanation:
(Is it [the case] that we shall not die [in Paradise]!?"
"Except our first death [in the World],
and [that] we shall not be punished [because we shall never disobey God.]"
This [indeed] is the mighty triumph.
Then let workers work for such [prosperity.])
If you truly believe in God you will not dare reviling Him and will certainly fear Him.
Nice; I'm condemned because I don't believe as you do. Also typical of your massive ignorance. The moon is not spherical because it was once hot and liquid, it's spherical (approximately) because it's large enough that its gravitational potential overwhelms the rigidity of the rocks it's made from. Spinning doesn't make things spherical, in the extreme it makes them disk-shaped, and in lesser circumstances it makes them bulge at the equator. I'm not hindering anyone from the Quran, anybody who wants to can read it. I'm just offering the well-founded and readily defensible opinion that as a source of scientific information it's worse than useless, it's actively misleading.
You really don't get it, do you? If your god wants you to fear him, he is an imposter. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. If you need to scare people into believing in the Quran by spreading fear of god, I am sure that you will fail miserably, which may just piss off your god, since he seems to have a very short fuse when it comes to people screwing up his plan.
Could it be that his very limited comprehension of the English language makes his translations of Hilly's rather radical interpretation of the Quran incomprehensible and his attempts to explain his scientific understanding equally incomprehensible? I say this because no matter how much I read of his translations and how hard I try to understand what it says, I find it completely unintelligible. It makes absolutely no sense to me.