Why can't that town fix itself instead of running to the other town? If Easton people flood Weston, then both Weston AND Easton will eventually become poor.
Arizona's Immigration Law
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Why can't that town fix itself instead of running to the other town? If Easton people flood Weston, then both Weston AND Easton will eventually become poor.
I see what you are saying, but if English Canadians illegally immigrated into USA, at least they could assimilate very easily. My point is that illegal immigration is wrong, but illegal immigration from two vastly different cultures is even more wrong.
The question though, is will America not have another civil war or break apart once Mexicans become majority in many states?
If you do that, you'll drive more unemployment in Mexico and inflation in the US and Canada.
In this thread I'd posted a link to another thread on the subject and there you'll see how tough I think we should be on illegal immigration. So you'll read no disagreement from me here.
They also have poorer education there overall. For those who know English and who can find work in the US legally, it could be a chance to learn new skills and establish new business relationships with people in the US, which they can then use when they go back to Mexico to establish new businesses. The drug trade has no future for Mexico. Until we help Mexico develop, these problems will continue.
A poor, illiterate and uneducated man sitting on a gold mine but without the knowledge or tools necessary to dill, carry the gold, find buyers, transport it to them, let alone the skills to discover there is gold under his house to begin with will find that gold to be of no use to him. Some out-of-towner with the skills will buy the land possibly without the illiterate knowing its true value, and then get rich.
Looking at it that way, Mexico needs help in improving its education system, and more exchanges of ideas between Mexico and the US could at least help in this regard.
And what about Ignatieff who went abroad? Is he scum too? I'd gone abroad in search of opportunity. Am I scum too? Have you never worked outside your home town yourself?
Because it's a natural, short step in logic from "Non-US citizens have US rights" to "undocumented immigrants have US rights".
Immigration violations have always been a special case in US law. They're not really crimes, because a crime is technically when an individual is indicted, put on trial, and found guilty. People in the US illegally who get caught don't go through all that process, so they're not really criminals. This is why calling them "illegal" is probably a misnomer. It really has always been an arbitrary decision by the feds whether they want to enforce immigration law or not.
FreeQuebec wondered:
"The question though, is will America not have another civil war or break apart once Mexicans become majority in many states?"
Well, in my opinion, if the United States has the will and determination not to become another sorry, pathetic, poor and miserable country like Mexico, whose greatest export is its own miserable poor and pathetic people, they will protect their border, in order to keep unwanted trash ou, to the same extent as the former Communist countries have done to keep freedom-loving decent people in: land mines, watch towers, shoot first ask questions later.
If not, I weep for the United States. Sadly, under Obama, American national pride and desire to survive as Americans fall victim to political correctness.
"The question though, is will America not have another civil war or break apart once Mexicans become majority in many states?"
Well, in my opinion, if the United States has the will and determination not to become another sorry, pathetic, poor and miserable country like Mexico, whose greatest export is its own miserable poor and pathetic people, they will protect their border, in order to keep unwanted trash ou, to the same extent as the former Communist countries have done to keep freedom-loving decent people in: land mines, watch towers, shoot first ask questions later.
If not, I weep for the United States. Sadly, under Obama, American national pride and desire to survive as Americans fall victim to political correctness.
I think there is some confusion between what is right and what actually happens. Yes, it is wrong to break the law and cross over illegally. However, morality aside, as long as there is such a wealth gap, it will continue to happen. We could say it's wrong all we want, but if we're looking for solutions, just saying it's wrong will not solve anything. Heck, stealing is wrong too, but if a person is starving to death and can't find work, his chances of stealing are increased considerably. It doesn't matter that it's right or wrong. If we're looking for a way to reduce theft, we don't just sit there telling people not to steal but rather teach them a trade o profession so that they can find work. Making the punishment for theft harsher is a solution too of course, but relying on sticks alone is not enough.
The same applies to illegal immigration. Yes, we can make the punishment harsher as a means of discouraging them, but that alone will not stop it from happening. And just saying it's wrong sure as well won't have any effect at all.
How? I also think we should get rid of all our private banks, and have just one central bank. Then again I also say Quebec should separate, let the rest of Canada choose to be American transnational corporate lapdogs.
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Come on man, there will always be future for drugs. Supply and demand, no? As long as people want drugs, they will continue producing them. And I don't see people suddenly turning away from hard drugs. But why is it our responsibility to help Mexico develop? Why can't they develop themselves?
Have you been to Mexico city? They have a lot of uber rich people there. They are not all living in shanty towns you know. If people can't help themselves, we shouldn't have to help them either.
Yeah, true. But American transnationals are not known to be fair or balanced. If they can make a profit, they don't mind doing heinous things. If Mexicans were not so backwards and corrupt, they would educate their citizens better.
But as Canadians or Americans, it is not our job to help them. We should only help our own people and countries. Not go around fixing the world's problems.
I agree there.
Well I personally detest Ignatieff, so that is a funny question. You went abroad legally, no? That is fine, sure. But to do it illegally is bad. Sorry about the mis-communication.
Obviously if it's poor it's because it can't fix itself for whatever reason. Clearly they can learn something from Weston that they could bring back to Easton. But if we just try to stop them, then we're wasting our time and they'd keep crossing into Weston. Sooner or later, Weston must figure out what's missing in Easton's education that is causing these problems and then educate them so as to solve the problem at its roots. Until then, the problem will persist. Just shaming Eastonians won't solve the problem in the least.
Let's look at Europe. The US had understood that Europe's infrastructure, including educational, was devastated, and that without the necessary funds, Europe would have fallen.
I am proud to say that, no,the US will not be using moats filled with alligators on poor people coming into the country.
It'll probably be solved more humanely by the US and Mexico having some open border agreement similar to the UK and Ireland wherein people from each country can go back and forth uninhibited.
It'll probably be solved more humanely by the US and Mexico having some open border agreement similar to the UK and Ireland wherein people from each country can go back and forth uninhibited.
Yeah. And Hispanics are taking over many states. I see some massive changes in the next 20 to 60 years.
And then you have ghettoes and urban decay, but that is another matter...
Suffice it to say that I also feel pity for true Americans, to watch as their country rots and collapses from within, because let's be realistic, there is no way USA will remain one country once half of its citizens are Spanish speaking, Mexico first types.
If the threat: "If you try to come here illegally, you die" was substantiated by land mines and brave and valourous border guards who would have no hesitation to pull the trigger on potential or real criminals, this would not even be a problem.
For the last time for bleeding hearts: America is not against immigrants. It is - rightfully - against ILLEGAL immigrants.
For the last time for bleeding hearts: America is not against immigrants. It is - rightfully - against ILLEGAL immigrants.
What you don't seem to understand is that if USA had a majority Hispanic/Mexican population, it too would be a 2nd world nation much like Mexico, and then your point would be utterly destroyed.
Mexicans are coming to USA for a better life for themselves. Yet if they take over USA, they will have no where else to run to. If you don't fix the problems at home, moving away is just a terrible idea.
It is like colonizing/terraforming Mars because Earth has too much pollution. If you don't fix these problems there, moving away will just wreck the next place.
The bottom line is, whether we agree with it or not, as long as there is such a disparity between Mexico and the US, illegal immigration will continue. I see two solutions:
1. The status quo, whereby Mexicans and US border patrols play a daily game of cat and mouse, with the mice always winning out by sheer numbers. A cat can only chase one mouse at a time.
2. The US tries to help Mexico to develop.
If we say we have no responsibility to help mexico, that's a legitimate position granted. However, that also forces us to accept option 1 if we're honest, with mice crossing the border in droves every day. Take your pick.
1. The status quo, whereby Mexicans and US border patrols play a daily game of cat and mouse, with the mice always winning out by sheer numbers. A cat can only chase one mouse at a time.
2. The US tries to help Mexico to develop.
If we say we have no responsibility to help mexico, that's a legitimate position granted. However, that also forces us to accept option 1 if we're honest, with mice crossing the border in droves every day. Take your pick.
True. Yet it might not be a matter of education alone. Surely in Mexico they have the Internet? Surely they have colleges and universities?
What if the people themselves are to blame? What then I ask? Of course if you want to spend billions of dollars setting up schools, you can fix these problems.
But it didn't work for Africa, and it won't work in Mexico.
Yes, it would be well within the US' right to do that as long as the illegal is clearly on US an not Mexican soil. So the border patrol guard would have to wait until the illegal's full body was on US soil to pull the trigger.
The next question though is how this could impact US-Mexico relations. I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine.
I see what you are saying now, and I actually agree. If USA is better then Mexico, a lot of Mexicans will be tempted to leave Mexico for it.
Yet surely they must see if they do, and they become the majority, then both USA and Mexico will be bad places to live?
If I was a Mexican, I'd work to educate myself and try to help Mexico. But your argument that USA should spend money to help Mexicans might work, it might just turn Mexico into a 1st world nation.
Yet we've tried this in the past in other 3rd world nations. Did it work in most African countries? Is Haiti getting any better, after the billions we through at it? Maybe, just maybe, the people themselves are too blame for the way the country is?
Some people think that a big reason there is such a large problem with illegal immigration is that, first and foremost, there are so many people willing to hire illegal immigrants to work illegally. And secondly, the trend in some states to provide all kinds of services to the illegal immigrants.
It doesn't tend to reduce the problem, it tends to encourage it.
I think that's part of what irks people in Arizona. There little being done at the Federal level to reduce the problem, and in places like California, they seem to be actively helping the problem grow.
It doesn't tend to reduce the problem, it tends to encourage it.
I think that's part of what irks people in Arizona. There little being done at the Federal level to reduce the problem, and in places like California, they seem to be actively helping the problem grow.