Are you a god? I don't think so, your chances of getting me into the kitchen are a lot higher than getting me to some "heaven".
The ten commandments
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WOW! I thought only gods can do stuff like that. Or are you saying that you are a god?
I wonder what the Bible has to say about arrogance.
Proverbs 15:1
1 A gentle answer turns away wrath,
but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Proverbs 10:23
23 A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct,
but a man of understanding delights in wisdom
1 Corinthians 13:2-13
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a [COLOR=#739912 ! important][COLOR=#739912 ! important]child[/COLOR][/COLOR], I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even [COLOR=#739912 ! important][COLOR=#739912 ! important]as [COLOR=#739912 ! important]I [/COLOR][COLOR=#739912 ! important]am[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Peter 3:15
15… Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
Galatians 5:13-15
13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[a]; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a [COLOR=#739912 ! important][COLOR=#739912 ! important]single[/COLOR][/COLOR] command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Galatians 5:22,23,25
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Lakes of fire? You sound like a judgmental, arrogant, mean fellow. I'm sad for you.
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some would say that there is more than one path to God's house depending on who is doing the walking.
Well, he'll turn away more people than he'll collect with his arrogance and judgemental behavior.
Well, certainly. There's the Hindu path, the Muslim path, the Buddhist path, etc. and I'm not exactly sure if they all have the same heaven even.
agreed, but keep in mind, those that follow a religeous path are not the only ones that are judgemental and arrogant concerning their chosen paths in life.
Definitely. But perhaps they don't claim to be anything but judgemental and arrogant.
That would depend on your belief system. They were written by men so they lack the wisdom of woman. I wouldn't give them much credence.
You should get together with E.I. Nassir. You could quote various bits and pieces of scripture at him, and he could quote ayas to you. Neither one would have to listen to each other .... seems like a match made in Paradise as neither one of you seems much into actually listening or doing anything other than quoting from religious texts ...
Considering that is where the royal law comes from why do you condemn it? (posting verses) Think how few posts there would be on this thread if only verses were allowed.
Christians aren't any better at following the two Laws than Israel was at following them when they numbered 10. That defect is not on the writers of those 10 commandments which would seem to cover social conduct in any Nation. The ones specific to respect for God is 'fixed' when the time for interaction begins, most people will not like God's solution to that 'problem' but it is effective and one correction is all that will be needed.
Herald is still under the impression that he can turn people around, it doesn't work that way. The first ones saved do not have to be dragged into belief. The 2nd group will have wished that dragging would have worked.
That stuff is all nice, but I think if you live by the Golden Rule you don't have to worry about all that other stuff.
One can rightfully assume Moses and God talked a good part of that time, perhaps that was Moses 40 day fast.
The Royal Law is the 10 commandments of the OT. The other laws they were given were for Israel alone and even for Israel the punishments ceased to include death by stoning. The punishment was whatever the Government of a Nation decided it would be.
Jas:2:8:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
The royal law? Now we have monarchies mixing in with religious dogma?
[quopte]Christians aren't any better at following the two Laws than Israel was at following them when they numbered 10. That defect is not on the writers of those 10 commandments which would seem to cover social conduct in any Nation. The ones specific to respect for God is 'fixed' when the time for interaction begins, most people will not like God's solution to that 'problem' but it is effective and one correction is all that will be needed.[/quote]Perhaps. If, on the other hand, gods don't give a hoot, no-one needs to be concerned about what gods do or don't do and the first 4 commandments are irrelevant, just like the author people say they came from.
[quopte]Herald is still under the impression that he can turn people around, it doesn't work that way. The first ones saved do not have to be dragged into belief. The 2nd group will have wished that dragging would have worked.[/quote]Eanassir is like that, too. You're right; simply spewing religious dogma at people does little except to bore them, annoy them, and I suppose a few get all agog with it, but it won't convince anyone to change their views. At least not many people; especially if they can think for themselves.
Well, that kind of simplifies things. What's more important? BEing a "Christian" or just being a decent, considerate and productive human being?