Hawking backs possibility for humans to travel millions of years into the future
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Nobody's going to be going anywhere until we can figure out how to properly navigate a ship at that speed for as long as needed to reach that speed, and for long as it's needed to travel a certain distance to move further into the future.... without colliding into an asteroid or planet... or some micro-sized particles shredding the ship and its crew into oblivion at high speeds.
Until we can figure out that stuff, theorizing about being able to travel into the future or not is pointless, because it's impossible, even in theory until we solve the above..... among other problems.
Does anybody take Hawking seriously?
I haven't for a while.... I think he's lost it.
Sure his theory sounds like it's very well possible.... so long as you ignore all the other existing problems surrounding the idea.
Until we can figure out that stuff, theorizing about being able to travel into the future or not is pointless, because it's impossible, even in theory until we solve the above..... among other problems.
Does anybody take Hawking seriously?
I haven't for a while.... I think he's lost it.
Sure his theory sounds like it's very well possible.... so long as you ignore all the other existing problems surrounding the idea.
I've been wondering about him for a couple years now. :-?
Yup, everyone likes these flights of "fantasy" (pun intended), but most don't think of the feasibility.
The speed of energy has been observed to be superluminal, this means that relativity is not really relative to physics any longer. It is impossible to reach the future. When you got there it would be the present. The future would have moved on, always out of reach.
lol If you can't see a relevance between relativity and physics, it is a problem you need to solve for yourself. In the very least it has relevance to the history of the field of physics. But, there is also that relativity explains parallax, a few issues in geometry, etc.
Hawking is a theoretician, he is not an experimentalist. He only talks about theoretical concepts. What he is saying is quite sound, theoretically. It follows from the Theory of Relativity.
Does the same time travel paradox apply about going into the future as it does about going into the past; namely that it is not possible because if it was then time travelers would be among us right now?
Not the way it is predicted by the Theory of Relativity (The String Theory is a different matter).
Relativity says that time passes very slowly as one approaches the speed of light. So let us say a spacecraft leaves earth traveling near the speed of light and visits a star 50 light years from us. It will take 100 years (or slightly more than that) to return to earth. So if the spacecraft leaves today, it will return to earth in the year 2110.
However, the astronauts will have aged only a few years, say ten years. So when they return, they will be in the year 2110, in effect they have traveled in time, to the future. If they had left children back on earth, they will be younger than their grandchildren when they return from their voyage. But there is no paradox here.
But if the String Theory is true and it is possible to travel in the future and in the past (and if parallel universes also exist), then we may encounter all kinds of paradoxes.
Time is distance between events, stars are events. Gravitationally the sun knows the position of every planet in zero time, that means what we call gravity is superluminal (dog, I love that word) which means the speed of light is at least eight minutes slower than gravity/electricity. It has been very substantially suggested that electricity permeates the aether at just slightly under infinite speed. ( see cognizant aether) (see omnipotent mind/universe) (see God ):smile:
Ah, but if we do not take our minds out for a walk once in a while, it will atrophy, become stale and rot from inertia. Imagination is what we have. It is what we used to create gods a long time ago. Now we have science, the new religion. But it does make a lot of sense because it searches for evidence to explain life and doesn't rely on ancient texts to prove stuff using the understanding of uneducated goat herders from a 1000 years ago.
Going to the future or the past is impossible
I think: to travel to the past or the future is non-sense and impossible whether now or in the future.
If it was possible, we could see people coming from the future or the past, the thing that has not been proved. It only reflects the self-conceit of some people who think the science can do anything.
Moreover, to know the future: it is also impossible, and none may know the future but only God.
(Say [O Mohammed]:
"None, in the heavens and the earth, knows the fore-future except God;
and they perceive not [about] when they shall [die and] be sent forth [from their bodies to the afterlife.]")
"None, in the heavens and the earth, knows the fore-future except God;
and they perceive not [about] when they shall [die and] be sent forth [from their bodies to the afterlife.]")
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 27: 65
قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
So this is the knowledge of the future: none knows such knowledge but only God the All-Knowing.
God alone knows the fore-futureBut the past, it may be somewhat known: the past events in some other planets faraway from us, if there is some means to see what is going there: i.e. we see now what happened in the past on those planets.
Or we may see or hear what happened in the past on this Earth, when such events left their effects on rocks or something else that may give evidence like recording.
But to travel in the past or the future is nothing more than mere imagination and it is absolutely impossible, and indicates the self-conceit of some people that they think the science can do anything. This is only my opinion.
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True, so how will they go to it?
It is in the knowledge of God: i.e. God only knows about it.
And He chooses some of His apostles and acquaints him with some of the fore-future knowledge.
( [God:] The All-Knowing of the fore-future, and He does never acquaint any [of His creatures] about His knowledge of the fore-future.
Save only to any messenger whom He likes [to acquaint with some of the fore-future knowledge]; so He appoints watching[-angels] to go behind him and in front of him.
That the [watching-angels] may know that the [messengers] have delivered the messages of their Lord [to bear witness for them]; [even though] He has comprehended all that [works and words] they have [done], and has noted all things by number.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 72: 26-28
عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَى غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا . إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَى مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا ..الخ
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Stephen J. Crothers
I have also had some correspondence with a number of other sheepish relativists of no consequence. Not one offered any science, just the authority of Hawking, Penrose, Einstein, and others. All were rude, stupid and incompetent (precisely what they accused me of being, evidently taking umbrage for my return of the epithets). Other big-shots in black holes and big bangs, such as Thorne, Misner, Israel, Rees, Penrose, Hawking, Ellis, Wald, little-shots such as J. Moffat, J. Barrow, S. Carroll, R. d'Inverno, B. Shutz, some tiny-shots not worth a mention, and a few other scribblers of textbooks and popular science, simply ignore correspondence. Evidently they think that ignoring work that invalidates their claims is scientific method. However, that is actually scientific fraud.
My papers were posted to the electronic archive of the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics, Trieste, Italy, but members of the International Committee for General Relativity and Gravitational and/or their associates, servant or agents, arranged for all my papers to be removed from the ICTP. It is now clear that the ICTP is also actively engaged in the suppression and falsification of science. You can read about that here. My papers are cited on the website of the American Mathematical Society (the mathematicians seem to see what the relativists cannot, or will not). In consequence of my work, subsequent to publication thereof, I was invited to the editorial boards of Progress in Physics and Bulletin of Pure and Applied Sciences E (Mathematics). I have been invited to present papers before conferences in Tucson, Arizona (February 2006) and St. Petersburg, Russia (August 2006), to contribute to a number of books, and to edit and review other books.
Neither black holes nor big bangs are consistent with General Relativity - General Relativity does not predict these alleged phenomena. They are due entirely to incompetence in geometry. The basic issue is very simple.
Stephen J. Crothers
I have also had some correspondence with a number of other sheepish relativists of no consequence. Not one offered any science, just the authority of Hawking, Penrose, Einstein, and others. All were rude, stupid and incompetent (precisely what they accused me of being, evidently taking umbrage for my return of the epithets). Other big-shots in black holes and big bangs, such as Thorne, Misner, Israel, Rees, Penrose, Hawking, Ellis, Wald, little-shots such as J. Moffat, J. Barrow, S. Carroll, R. d'Inverno, B. Shutz, some tiny-shots not worth a mention, and a few other scribblers of textbooks and popular science, simply ignore correspondence. Evidently they think that ignoring work that invalidates their claims is scientific method. However, that is actually scientific fraud.
My papers were posted to the electronic archive of the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics, Trieste, Italy, but members of the International Committee for General Relativity and Gravitational and/or their associates, servant or agents, arranged for all my papers to be removed from the ICTP. It is now clear that the ICTP is also actively engaged in the suppression and falsification of science. You can read about that here. My papers are cited on the website of the American Mathematical Society (the mathematicians seem to see what the relativists cannot, or will not). In consequence of my work, subsequent to publication thereof, I was invited to the editorial boards of Progress in Physics and Bulletin of Pure and Applied Sciences E (Mathematics). I have been invited to present papers before conferences in Tucson, Arizona (February 2006) and St. Petersburg, Russia (August 2006), to contribute to a number of books, and to edit and review other books.
Neither black holes nor big bangs are consistent with General Relativity - General Relativity does not predict these alleged phenomena. They are due entirely to incompetence in geometry. The basic issue is very simple.