Is Obama the worst president ever?

SirJosephPorter

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"appointing people to posts when congress is on vacation or taking a rest"


Naturally, it was OK when Bush did it but that's because he's a Republican.

Quite so, those are called recess appointments. Every president does a bunch of those. There was one particularly odious recess appointment done by Bush, that was of John Bolton as the UN envoy.

John Bolton is a right wing extremist; today he would be an enthusiastic teabagger. He wants to get rid of UN completely, failing that, he wants US to get out of UN (and kick UN out of New York). He wanted the job of UN envoy simply to be a bomb thrower; he was not interested in working with any other countries.

He didn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of getting confirmed in the Senate; even some Republicans were against his nomination. Bush made a recess appointment. He was the UN envoy for two years and his influence in those two years was totally destructive, totally negative. He made the far right proud.

But then you know how it is. Any thing Bush did, that was a masterstroke of diplomacy, a superb example of statesmanship. When Obama does the same thing, he is a Nazi, a Communist, a Fascist, a Muslim terrorist etc.

"There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is only the international community, which can only be led by the only remaining superpower, which is the United States."[51] He also stated that "The Secretariat Building in New York has 38 stories. If you lost ten stories today, it wouldn't make a bit of difference."

Apparently the 9/11 terrorists took his advice (and applied it to the World Trade Centre).
 
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Cobalt_Kid

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And he will be judged in the very same manner that every other president has been.



I don't understand what you're driving at here; other than the civil war, when has America not been in one piece?



Again, what's your point? Obama knew exactly what he was signing-up for when he ran. All that this diatribe offers is a pre-fabricated excuse for Obama not generating the results/promises that he based his platform on.




The Democrats had full control of both houses... They didn't need the support of the Republicans - yet, he still wasn't able to get 100% traction... The Dems could have rammed any legislation through the house(s). The reason that he's had trouble is that he can't get full support from his own party.

This no longer has anything to do with Bush or the Republican party - really man, get over it already and see things for what they are.

My point hasn't changed, unlike the last adminstration Obama is doing his best in an admittedly flawed system to reunite the country that has been driven apart by the Republicans and the religious far right.

And he's doing it without the cooperation of the Republicans who helped create the current crisis.

Yes Obama will be judged by his results, the Republicans will also be judged by their actions in opposing him.
 

EagleSmack

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"Barack Obama’s deep bow to the emperor of Japan and earlier bow to the Saudi Arabian king is so deeply offensive to America’s history and traditions that it cannot and must not be explained away in any fashion."


We've gone over this already as Nixon bowed to the Japanese emperor and Bush kissed the Saudi King.

That's our Goopher. When all else fails...make shyte up.

Hey Goopher...did any of them bow to the Mayor of Tampa?


 

EagleSmack

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My point hasn't changed, unlike the last adminstration Obama is doing his best in an admittedly flawed system to reunite the country that has been driven apart by the Republicans and the religious far right.

Oh brother. Another one. :roll:

And he's doing it without the cooperation of the Republicans who helped create the current crisis.

As did the Democrats. They controlled both houses when the shyte hit the fan. Bush was a lame duck his last two years in office.

Yes Obama will be judged by his results, the Republicans will also be judged by their actions in opposing him.

We're going to see in November aren't we.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Can we really compare Obama to Bush anyway, I think America is better off with a real president than just a placeholder like Bush was for Cheney?

All I know is Obama makes me proud to be an American again something that what Bush and Cheney were doing to the nation made it hard to feel.

Go ahead and criticize Obama, the real problem is the lack of accountability in the US created by powerful lobbies like defence, healthcare insurers and Wall Street. I think Obama has balls going after the company -Goldman Sachs- that was his #2 campaign contributor(and McCains #4).
 

EagleSmack

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Can we really compare Obama to Bush anyway, I think America is better off with a real president than just a placeholder like Bush was for Cheney?

It's comments like this that makes this too easy.

All I know is Obama makes me proud to be an American again something that what Bush and Cheney were doing to the nation made it hard to feel.

Of course...you're a Liberal Democrat.

Go ahead and criticize Obama, the real problem is the lack of accountability in the US created by powerful lobbies like defence, healthcare insurers and Wall Street. I think Obama has balls going after the company -Goldman Sachs- that was his #2 campaign contributor(and McCains #4).

Is this something new?

See how this administration rewards these guys? AIG just got there 3rd round of tax payer bonuses. One under Bush and two under Obama thus far. I thought Obama was different too. He dissapointed me on that one.
 

SirJosephPorter

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As did the Democrats. They controlled both houses when the shyte hit the fan. Bush was a lame duck his last two years in office.

Whether lame duck or not, he was very much the president, the meltdown occurred under his watch. He gets most of the blame for it, and that is how American people saw it.

We're going to see in November aren't we.
Oh, quite. Republicans are going to end up with a veto proof majority in the Senate, more than 400 seats in the House. Then Republicans will be able to govern, Obama will simply be the rubber stamp president.

Heaven will have appeared on earth. If you want really the Kingdom of Christ to return, maybe Republicans will make Joan of Arc the real power, make her the de facto president (they can do that with veto proof majority in the Senate), take policy directions from her (and of course, from Rush 'drug addict' Limbaugh).

Can that be really any different from Second Coming?
 

SirJosephPorter

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Of course...you're a Liberal Democrat.

And you are a conservative Republican.

See how this administration rewards these guys? AIG just got there 3rd round of tax payer bonuses. One under Bush and two under Obama thus far. I thought Obama was different too. He dissapointed me on that one.

One under Bush, are you saying something against Bush? Wash your mouth with soap. Or still better, go back and check your 'facts', you will probably find that it was zero under the saintly Bush and three under the Spawn of the Devil, Obama.
 

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Whether lame duck or not, he was very much the president, the meltdown occurred under his watch. He gets most of the blame for it, and that is how American people saw it.

Oh, quite. Republicans are going to end up with a veto proof majority in the Senate, more than 400 seats in the House. Then Republicans will be able to govern, Obama will simply be the rubber stamp president.

Heaven will have appeared on earth. If you want really the Kingdom of Christ to return, maybe Republicans will make Joan of Arc the real power, make her the de facto president (they can do that with veto proof majority in the Senate), take policy directions from her (and of course, from Rush 'drug addict' Limbaugh).

Can that be really any different from Second Coming?
Speaking of 'Lame duck", how come we get a lame duck President on his first term? What is with you and Republicans, your a foreigner, you, democrats/republicans should mean nothing or very little to you. Now these guys are yours, how come we don't hear much about them?
Lets not forget the Pirate Party of Canada

You have much more going on up there. :smile:

 

EagleSmack

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Whether lame duck or not, he was very much the president, the meltdown occurred under his watch. He gets most of the blame for it, and that is how American people saw it.

No question. About the only thing I will ever agree with you on. It was indeed Bush's watch.

Now if Obama can't fix it like he said he could...it will be on him.

Oh, quite. Republicans are going to end up with a veto proof majority in the Senate, more than 400 seats in the House. Then Republicans will be able to govern, Obama will simply be the rubber stamp president.

Says who?

Heaven will have appeared on earth. If you want really the Kingdom of Christ to return, maybe Republicans will make Joan of Arc the real power, make her the de facto president (they can do that with veto proof majority in the Senate), take policy directions from her (and of course, from Rush 'drug addict' Limbaugh).

Can that be really any different from Second Coming?

When will you grow up. You act like a 12 year old.
 

EagleSmack

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And you are a conservative Republican.

Looks like you got all your chores done today!

What are you cooking the Doc for dinner tonight?



One under Bush, are you saying something against Bush? Wash your mouth with soap. Or still better, go back and check your 'facts', you will probably find that it was zero under the saintly Bush and three under the Spawn of the Devil, Obama.

Grow up.