9/11 Conspiracy Theories Debunked - Video

CDNBear

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Not, obviously. If the answers given was too difficult for you to grasp ... so be it.
What answers?
You only need a spark, thermite can be ignited with a spark, it burns it does not 'explode' so no primer is needed.
Please supply proof of this. Because facts, your own YouTube posts and reality in general dictates otherwise.
Since it explodes if water is added what would a sprinkler system do as 'primer'?
It does not explode if water is added to it. You failed to understand the conditions and the addition of something else. I bet you don't even know what it is. Plus, you obviously don't understand the difference between thermal expansion and ignition do you?

Now, please answer these questions, that you have ignored several times now...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.
 
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DaSleeper

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Not to sidetrack this <cough><cough> serious thread, but I have come to the conclusion after reading many conspiracy theorist threads that some are just "atheists" looking for a new religion....with apparitions, holograms, shadows planting explosives, secret society....and still at the end of it all........nuttin'
 

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Not to sidetrack this <cough><cough> serious thread, but I have come to the conclusion after reading many conspiracy theorist threads that some are just "atheists" looking for a new religion....with apparitions, holograms, shadows planting explosives, secret society....and still at the end of it all........nuttin'
Pretty much, the new cult on the block, as it were.

Although I give more credit to the real religions and those that truly believe in them. Because most of them actually answer some of the questions you pose to them, directly.
 

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Ignition


Metals are capable of burning under the right conditions, similarly to the combustionCombustion
Combustion or burning is a complex sequence of exothermic chemical reactions between a fuel and an oxidant accompanied by the production of heat or both heat and light in the form of either a glow or flames, appearance of light flickering.Direct combustion by atmospheric oxygen is a reaction...

process of wood or gasoline. In fact, rustRust
Rust is a general term for a series of iron oxides, usually red oxides, formed by the reaction of iron and oxygen in the presence of water or air moisture. Several forms of rust are distinguishable visually and by spectroscopy, and form under different circumstances...

is the result of oxidation of steelSteel

Steel is an alloy consisting mostly of iron, with a carbon content between 0.2% and 2.1% by weight, depending on the grade. Carbon is the most cost-effective alloying material for iron, but various other alloying elements are used such as manganese, chromium, vanadium, and tungsten...

or ironIron

Iron is a metallic chemical element with the symbol Fe and atomic number 26. Iron is a group 8 and period 4 element and is therefore classified as a transition metal. Iron and iron alloys are by far the most common metals and the most common ferromagnetic materials in everyday use...

at very slow rates. A thermite reaction is a process in which the correct mixture of metallic fuels are combined and ignited. Ignition itself requires extremely high temperatures.

Ignition of a thermite reaction normally requires only a simple child's sparklerSparkler
A sparkler, though commonly mistaken for a type of hand-held firework, actually makes up its own category of pyrotechnics that burn slowly while emitting colored flames, sparks, and other effects...

or easily obtainable magnesium ribbon, but may require persistent efforts, as ignition can be unreliable and unpredictable. Thermite reactions require very high temperatures for initiation. These temperatures cannot be reached with conventional black powder fuses, nitrocelluloseNitrocellulose
Nitrocellulose is a highly flammable compound formed by nitrating cellulose through exposure to nitric acid or another powerful nitrating agent...

rods, detonatorDetonator

A detonator is a device used to trigger an explosive device. Detonators can be chemically, mechanically, or electrically initiated, the latter two being the most common....

s, pyrotechnic initiatorPyrotechnic initiator
A pyrotechnic initiator is a device containing a pyrotechnic composition used primarily to ignite other, more difficult to ignite materials, e.g. thermites, gas generators, and solid-fuel rockets...

s, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it will not ignite as it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torchPropane torch
A propane torch is a tool for burning the flammable gas propane. The maximum adiabatic flame temperature a propane torch can achieve with air is 2268 Kelvin...

if done correctly. The torch can preheat the entire pile of thermite which will make it explode instead of burning slowly when it finally reaches ignition temperature.

Often, strips of magnesiumMagnesium
Magnesium is a chemical element with the symbol Mg, atomic number 12 and common oxidation number +2. It is an alkaline earth metal and the eighth most abundant element in the earth's crust by mass, although ninth in the Universe as a whole...

metal are used as fuses. Because metals burn without releasing cooling gases, they can potentially burn at extremely high temperatures. Reactive metals such as magnesium can easily reach temperatures sufficiently high for thermite ignition. Magnesium ignition remains popular among amateur thermite users, mainly because it can be easily obtained.

The reaction between potassium permanganatePotassium permanganate
Potassium permanganate is the inorganic chemical compound KMnO4, a water soluble salt consisting of equal mole amounts of potassium and permanganate ions. This salt, formerly known as permanganate of potash or Condy's crystals is a strong oxidizing agent...

and glycerine or ethylene glycolEthylene glycol
Ethylene glycol is an organic compound widely used as an automotive antifreeze and a precursor to polymers. In its pure form, it is an odorless, colorless, syrupy, sweet tasting liquid....

is used as an alternative to the magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method can also be unreliable and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.

Apart from magnesium ignition, some amateurs also choose to use sparklerSparkler

A sparkler, though commonly mistaken for a type of hand-held firework, actually makes up its own category of pyrotechnics that burn slowly while emitting colored flames, sparks, and other effects...

s to ignite the thermite mixture. These reach the necessary temperatures and provide enough time before the burning point reaches the sample. However, this can be a dangerous method, as the iron sparks, like the magnesium strips, burn at thousands of degrees and can ignite the thermite even though the sparkler itself is not in contact with it. This is especially dangerous with finely powdered thermite.

Similarly, finely-powdered thermite can be ignited by a regular flint spark lighterFlint spark lighter
A flint spark lighter is a type of lighter used in many applications to safely light a gaseous fuel to start a flame...

, as the sparks are burning metal (in this case, the highly-reactive rare-earth metals lanthanumLanthanum
Lanthanum is a chemical element with the symbol La and atomic number 57.Lanthanum is a silvery white metallic element that belongs to group 3 of the periodic table and is a lanthanoid. It is found in some rare-earth minerals, usually in combination with cerium and other rare earth elements...

and ceriumCerium
Cerium is a chemical element with the symbol Ce and atomic number 58. It is a soft, silvery, ductile metal which easily oxidizes in air. Cerium was named after the dwarf planet . Cerium is the most abundant of the rare earth elements, making up about 0.0046% of the Earth's crust by weight. It is...

). Therefore it is unsafe to strike a lighter close to thermite.

A stoichiometric mixture of finely powdered iron(III) oxide and aluminium may be ignited using ordinary red-tipped book matches by partially embedding one match head in the mixture, and igniting that match head with another match, preferably held with tongs in gloves to prevent flash burnFlash burn
Flash burn can mean:*Arc eye, also called corneal flash burn*The effect that in a nuclear explosion of sufficient magnitude, the majority of damage is done by light and thermal radiation...

s.
Thermite: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
 

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Cool, more cut and paste.

So what specifically about that, in your own words, do you understand?


And better yet still...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.
 

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You must have missed a lot of posts then.

They didnt live in caves. Lieing to support your fantasy.
That was on the news for weeks when Bora Bora was on the news nightly, huge elaborate caves.






And this is what they actually found.


So those Saudis that did it lived in caves? Mohamed Atta was a student in a German Engineering school when he was recruited for this mission. No caves in Saudi that I am aware of.



I don't accept orders from you, I will post as the news comes out though.
Thermite, paintable or not?

Because you are unable to say what happened in your opinion. You can only cut and paste garbage.

What happened on 9/11 then? Lay it all out for us how it was an inside job.

Did planes even hit the buildings? Who flew them?
 

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I've really no opinion on whether 9/11 was an inside job or not, as that's
maybe not the big issue regarding that infamous day.

I was woke up by a relative to come and watch the TV after the first plane
hit the first tower. It was surreal, but it could have been an accident. Watching
the second plane hit the second tower though, in those few seconds, the feeling
& knowledge that the World just changed for the worse is the big issue. It was
a historic moment bringing about big changes in perception for everyone. None
of it good, but all of it irreversible. It was a milestone of change that we all live
with now.

Inside job or not? Does it really change anything?
 

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Hey, I have an idea, we could waterboard all the thousands of people we think had a hand in this gigantic conspiracy. :D
 

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I've really no opinion on whether 9/11 was an inside job or not, as that's
maybe not the big issue regarding that infamous day.

I was woke up by a relative to come and watch the TV after the first plane
hit the first tower. It was surreal, but it could have been an accident. Watching
the second plane hit the second tower though, in those few seconds, the feeling
& knowledge that the World just changed for the worse is the big issue. It was
a historic moment bringing about big changes in perception for everyone. None
of it good, but all of it irreversible. It was a milestone of change that we all live
with now.

Inside job or not? Does it really change anything?

It sure does. Which do you believe,("milestone of change" or "Does it really change anything?") ? Change is constant and nothing can escape it. Billiard balls of change in a logarithmic progression, all connected to 911 and before. Some people have a knack for predicting the future, events like 911 increase the predictive power of the initiators.
 

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Theories like the Killing of Abraham Lincoln or Kenedy, fal within the realm of possibility to most most people....but the planned demolition of such a group of buildings doesn't make sense to any logical mind.....the number of people that would have to be in on it to plan, place explosives....It boggles the mind that Someone has not talked about it by now.....all we have so far is conjectures and people on the net trying to find proof to fill the voids of their own mind
 

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Theories like the Killing of Abraham Lincoln or Kenedy, fal within the realm of possibility to most most people....but the planned demolition of such a group of buildings doesn't make sense to any logical mind.....the number of people that would have to be in on it to plan, place explosives....It boggles the mind that Someone has not talked about it by now.....all we have so far is conjectures and people on the net trying to find proof to fill the voids of their own mind

Plus they avoid the absolute obvious. For example they say that a missle hit the Pentagon. But I have yet to hear what happened to the plane that dissapeared.

They say a plane did not crash in Shanksville PA. Well where did it go? They refuse to answer.
 

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It sure does. Which do you believe,("milestone of change" or "Does it really change anything?") ? Change is constant and nothing can escape it. Billiard balls of change in a logarithmic progression, all connected to 911 and before. Some people have a knack for predicting the future, events like 911 increase the predictive power of the initiators.


I meant that things changed in a big way, regardless of whether or not it was an
inside job. Proving whether or not it was an inside job doesn't change the fact that
it happened, & our altered perceptions of safety after it happened.
 

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lol I read somewhere that the reason for the demolition was to enable the US gov't to declare war on Iraq. A lot of thought sure went into that comment, I can tell. Let me see: thousands of people rigged the demolition, rigged remote controls to planes, saw lots of other strange things going on before the event and did not say anything about it, military people sat around fiddling while two planes followed the example of the first one in flying into buildings (including a big military HQ like the pentagon), etc. etc. etc. just so the USA could attack Iraq. There was no simpler way to convince Americans they had to war against Iraq. ooooooooo k I believe that just as much as I'd believe the US would go through all that because there was someone inside one of the buildings that the US gov't needed to kill. Or that there's a consortium of people that want to run the planet so they decided that destroying the WTC rather than the UN, Taj Mahal, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the BICC[/FONT], or Disney World would help them. :D
 

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Anna, I met the family of one of the victims. She was from the area and was on the first plane that hit tower one. Some clown on here said something along the lines of.

"I am sorry for her family but she was not on that plane. I don't know where she is but she was not on the plane. You have to ask your government where she is."

LOL. I'll get right on that!
 

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If 911 had inside help from the same ones who now have even more power hat should be seen as being somewhat important. Aren't there some "B-Grade" horror shows that have the killer making the phone calls from inside the house? The level of secrecy should have been lowered in that so many 'errors' were made for the money already invested. Now they can ignore the Supreme Court at every turn if they wished. Welcome to Medieval England , royalty and surfs. A transparent Government is a less corrupt Government and it probably even costs less. The odds of this being the first false flag would also be raised and the application of a greater inside attack looms very high if TBTB need the 'increase in power another attack would bring they would do it once they were ready to move ahead. It would be shoot-back first and investigate later, which would be too late. If the level of dispute was as high a few months after 911 as it is now a more in-depth investigation would have been demanded before Afghanistan would have happened and Iraq would never have gotten off the ground. Gulf I would never have gotten off the ground if slant-drilling was a fact.

We could move onto the Rothschild assassinating Lincoln and JFK to insure they could break the citizens of America through financial means and criminal acts. Even JFK as new slants on that, I will spare you the details of that.
 

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If 911 had inside help from the same ones who now have even more power hat should be seen as being somewhat important. Aren't there some "B-Grade" horror shows that have the killer making the phone calls from inside the house? The level of secrecy should have been lowered in that so many 'errors' were made for the money already invested. Now they can ignore the Supreme Court at every turn if they wished. Welcome to Medieval England , royalty and surfs. A transparent Government is a less corrupt Government and it probably even costs less. The odds of this being the first false flag would also be raised and the application of a greater inside attack looms very high if TBTB need the 'increase in power another attack would bring they would do it once they were ready to move ahead. It would be shoot-back first and investigate later, which would be too late. If the level of dispute was as high a few months after 911 as it is now a more in-depth investigation would have been demanded before Afghanistan would have happened and Iraq would never have gotten off the ground. Gulf I would never have gotten off the ground if slant-drilling was a fact.

We could move onto the Rothschild assassinating Lincoln and JFK to insure they could break the citizens of America through financial means and criminal acts. Even JFK as new slants on that, I will spare you the details of that.
That's awesome, can you answer these now...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.
 

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If 911 had inside help from the same ones who now have even more power hat should be seen as being somewhat important. Aren't there some "B-Grade" horror shows that have the killer making the phone calls from inside the house? The level of secrecy should have been lowered in that so many 'errors' were made for the money already invested. Now they can ignore the Supreme Court at every turn if they wished. Welcome to Medieval England , royalty and surfs. A transparent Government is a less corrupt Government and it probably even costs less. The odds of this being the first false flag would also be raised and the application of a greater inside attack looms very high if TBTB need the 'increase in power another attack would bring they would do it once they were ready to move ahead. It would be shoot-back first and investigate later, which would be too late. If the level of dispute was as high a few months after 911 as it is now a more in-depth investigation would have been demanded before Afghanistan would have happened and Iraq would never have gotten off the ground. Gulf I would never have gotten off the ground if slant-drilling was a fact.

Your version of events please?

We could move onto the Rothschild assassinating Lincoln and JFK to insure they could break the citizens of America through financial means and criminal acts. Even JFK as new slants on that, I will spare you the details of that.

Wait a minute...the Zionist assinated Lincoln? Oh you are rich indeed MHz!
 

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Anna, I met the family of one of the victims. She was from the area and was on the first plane that hit tower one. Some clown on here said something along the lines of.

"I am sorry for her family but she was not on that plane. I don't know where she is but she was not on the plane. You have to ask your government where she is."

LOL. I'll get right on that!
I'll help. :D
 

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Anna, I met the family of one of the victims. She was from the area and was on the first plane that hit tower one. Some clown on here said something along the lines of.

"I am sorry for her family but she was not on that plane. I don't know where she is but she was not on the plane. You have to ask your government where she is."

LOL. I'll get right on that!
How many years ago was that? The CT never caught on, remote hijacking is the current theory. Seems to me there are more than a few family members of 911 that would like a more in-depth investigation (rather than take the cash settlement in which they would drop the demand for any further investigation) The Gov should be supporting that investigation instead of making one impossible. So you might have given up double-checking all the 'events' but not all of your countrymen have taken that route. Sent these one the last line in your post, I'm sure they would love to have your input..


Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11
NEW YORK CITY, NY (Oct. 26, 2004)(Updated Sep. 11, 2009) - An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 today announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement supports an August 31st Zogby poll that found nearly 50% of New Yorkers believe the government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act," with 66% wanting a new 9/11 investigation.
Focusing on twelve questions, the Statement highlights areas of incriminating evidence that were either inadequately explored or ignored by the Kean Commission, ranging from insider trading and hijacker funding to foreign government forewarnings and inactive defenses around the Pentagon. The Statement asks for four actions: an immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Congressional hearings, media analysis, and the formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.
The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.

The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy.
The Statement was facilitated by 911truth.org, a leading coalition. The organization has also announced a press conference outside of Eliot Spitzer's Manhattan office (corner of Cedar and Nassau) at 2:00PM on Thursday, Oct. 28th where 9/11 family members and victim group representatives will file a formal complaint demanding the first criminal investigation of 9/11 events by the New York Attorney General.
Page Update 9/9/2009: Following is the actual statement endorsed by these signatories, as referred to in the press release above.


911 Truth Statement - 911truth.org


lol I read somewhere that the reason for the demolition was to enable the US gov't to declare war on Iraq. A lot of thought sure went into that comment, I can tell. Let me see: thousands of people rigged the demolition, rigged remote controls to planes, saw lots of other strange things going on before the event and did not say anything about it, military people sat around fiddling while two planes followed the example of the first one in flying into buildings (including a big military HQ like the pentagon), etc. etc. etc. just so the USA could attack Iraq. There was no simpler way to convince Americans they had to war against Iraq. ooooooooo k I believe that just as much as I'd believe the US would go through all that because there was someone inside one of the buildings that the US gov't needed to kill. Or that there's a consortium of people that want to run the planet so they decided that destroying the WTC rather than the UN, Taj Mahal, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]the BICC[/FONT], or Disney World would help them. :D
Are you sure you have the right country? Iraq was the false-flag WMD story. (which nobody remembers) I think you are overestimating the number it would take and the influence threat of death can have on some people who need more incentive than just raw power.
Case in point, painting some key joints, would take a crew of 20 a few weeks, ie Blackwater types.