The Canadian Conservative Legacy

Socrates the Greek

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I bet that reason comes before I ever get an answer from you about why a Liberal PM was fired and a so-called (by you) "incompetent" (when the real word is interim) leaderless party was put in in his stead....

"incompetent" is what causes lose off confidence, interim may be the description of the PM however not able to continue, either from party grass roots pressure, or the result of an election (lost the election - no public confidence) has nothing to do because he was an interim and that doesn’t count for anything (he is an interim), if an interim has the right stuff to Govern much like Paul Martin, who as an Interim held office for three years, out performing any other Conservative interim PM by almost two years, since confederation.

So............ what is that say? a Liberalist structure has lots off grip (good ideas for the common man)=(popularity).
Chronology is a good judge of character which has followed the Liberals in Canadian politics for a substation period of time, more then any other party in Canada‘s political history.

The Canadian people put them in this high preference, they did not put them self ‘s as a self appointed Government, they were voted in every time.
 

lone wolf

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So why was the Liberal PM - Mackenzie King - turfed and an "incompetent" government seated? I'm waiting, Sock


I already know ... and know you won't find a way to spin it into your favour.

Hint: It has something to do with backroom deals that didn't pan out
 

Socrates the Greek

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So why was the Liberal PM - Mackenzie King - turfed and an "incompetent" government seated? I'm waiting, Sock


I already know ... and know you won't find a way to spin it into your favour.

Hint: It has something to do with backroom deals that didn't pan out


William Lyon Mackenzie King (1st time of 3) 29 December 1921 - 29 June 1926

William Lyon Mackenzie King (2nd time of 3) 25 September 1926 - 6 August 1930
Introduction of old age pensions; Great Depression,

William Lyon Mackenzie King (3rd time of 3) 23 October 1935 - 15 November 1948

Initiated by M King

Creation of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation; National Film Board of Canada; Nationalization of the Bank of Canada; World War 2; Trans-Canada Airlines


The people kept him in power for 20 years, realising the alternative was allot worst. He may have gotten fired by the GG but hey 20 years is a time to search and look for a better deal that is what the human mind is programed to do, and history shows the Liberals have always provided a better mathematical deal.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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The Canadian Conservative Legacy

The Conservative party of Canada has been in power for years and they have only been able to get elected to a minority government.

What are your views on the accomplishments of the Conservatives and what legacy will they be known for?

They've done nothing of substance, the wave of protest against the federal governments' lack of transparency and accountability has been largely ignored by a conservative government that only seems to act in it's own interests.

-We've watched as one defence minister- Dennis O'connor- Resigned in disgrace over lying about a government sponsored study linking the Afghani government( and indirectly ours) with torture, and another one- Peter MacKay- would have probably been forced to step down if PM Harper hadn't taken the highly undemocratic action of suspending Parliament. How are we even supposed to be represented by our ELECTED members if they're not even able to sit in the house.

- Some other undemocratic actions performed or allowed by Harper:

-Dick Harris trying to take over Nathan Cullens riding with a "goto person" suppossedly allowing residents of the riding to directly ask the conservatives for favours in return for votes.

-Harper nullifying the 2006 election result in Vancouver Kingsway immediately after the election. The move was seen as being to the benefit of the conservatives at the time, Harper seemed to care not at all the chilling effect it had on the whole system. Why even vote if the PM is going to decide the issue over voters choice.

- The federally run SPP conference in Quebec where undercover police officers infiltrated a legal demonstration and tried to incite the police to violence against the mostly mature and peaceful crowd.

Looking at the governments that Harper consistently supports, including Columbia who's highest members have been directly connected to right-wing paramilitaries who have murdered thousands and helped create one of the most violent police states in the world; the Afghani government with its' strong links to corruption, the heroin trade, torture of prisoners and widespread vote rigging, the Afgani government under Karzi probably stuffed a million or more votes in the last election, the only reason Karzi is still in power is his closest rival gave up due to the futility of fighting the stacked election deck.

Makes you truly wonder where the conservatives would take this country if they ever achieved the majority they have forced Canadians to sacrifice so much in terms of our freedoms in their pursuit of. We have less transparency and accountability now than we did even under Chretien, Harper has forced the press to walk to his tune, sidelined Parliament and blocked effective access to information. Not in our interests by the way, but in a singleminded pursuit of power.

The problem before the conservatives took power wasn't that the Liberals had too much power but that the electorate(us) had too little. We're being told everything is OK now that the conservatives have taken control and to just trust what we're being told- even when it clearly isn't the real story as with the Afghan detainees.

We deserve better...
 
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Socrates the Greek

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They've done nothing of substance, the wave of protest against the federal governments' lack of transparency and accountability has been largely ignored by a conservative government that only seems to act in it's own interests.

-We've watched as one defence minister- Dennis O'connor- Resigned in disgrace over lying about a government sponsored study linking the Afghani government( and indirectly ours) with torture, and another one- Peter MacKay- would have probably been forced to step down if PM Harper hadn't taken the highly undemocratic action of suspending Parliament. How are we even supposed to be represented by our ELECTED members if they're not even able to sit in the house.

- Some other undemocratic actions performed or allowed by Harper:

-Dick Harris trying to take over Nathan Cullens riding with a "goto person" suppossedly allowing residents of the riding to directly ask the conservatives for favours in return for votes.

-Harper nullifying the 2006 election result in Vancouver Kingsway immediately after the election. The move was seen as being to the benefit of the conservatives at the time, Harper seemed to care not at all the chilling effect it had on the whole system. Why even vote if the PM is going to decide the issue over voters choice.

- The federally run SPP conference in Quebec where undercover police officers infiltrated a legal demonstration and tried to incite the police to violence against the mostly mature and peaceful crowd.

Looking at the governments that Harper consistently supports, including Columbia who's highest members have been directly connected to right-wing paramilitaries who have murdered thousands and helped create one of the most violent police states in the world; the Afghani government with its' strong links to corruption, the heroin trade, torture of prisoners and widespread vote rigging, the Afgani government under Karzi probably stuffed a million or more votes in the last election, the only reason Karzi is still in power is his closest rival gave up due to the futility of fighting the stacked election deck.

Makes you truly wonder where the conservatives would take this country if they ever achieved the majority they have forced Canadians to sacrifice so much in terms of our freedoms in their pursuit of. We have less transparency and accountability now than we did even under Chretien, Harper has forced the press to walk to his tune, sidelined Parliament and blocked effective access to information. Not in our interests by the way, but in a singleminded pursuit of power.

The problem before the conservatives took power wasn't that the Liberals had too much power but that the electorate(us) had too little. We're being told everything is OK now that the conservatives have taken control and to just trust what we're being told- even when it clearly isn't the real story as with the Afghan detainees.

We deserve better...

YouTube - Peter MacKay condones the use of torture


This is proof of Conservative principles in Ottawa gone wrong. Canada does deserve better than this.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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I think Harper himself has come down on the side of letting our allies do what they want when it comes to torture in pursuit of political aims.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Socrates the Greek

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Have a link to that "quote"? Did you look into the King-Byng affair yet? Best example of self righteousness, eh? Means there's another too. Guess who they are
Good day LW, Jack called them "snow whites," that, to me says they portrait them self's as the new boys on the block who happened to be the ambassadors to self righteousness. And they are not! King and the others (Liberals) are gone, they left a better report card behind. :smile:
 

CDNBear

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Good day LW, Jack called them "snow whites," that, to me says they portrait them self's as the new boys on the block who happened to be the ambassadors to self righteousness. And they are not! King and the others (Liberals) are gone, they left a better report card behind. :smile:
Ruprecht, did you miss the over 200 unethical and criminal acts committed by the LPoC I posted. Or are you really to dumb to grasp it?