The Canadian Conservative Legacy

[Socrates the Greek]

Who cares about the legacy. The question is, how do we rebalance the books.

Good one Machjo, the legacy is intertwined with balancing the books, and Harper will not be the man to balance anything 7-8 years coming up Canada will be writing in bad red ink, even Harper confirmed that. That is the legacy that will send many running for cover. Like pigs on the way to the slaughter house, back like the Mulroney days.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Soc, please be informed. GGs are appointed for five-year terms - as in ends in September.

I bet your "party" would like you to cease and desist with your peculiar form of support.

The incumbent will generally serve for at least five years, though this is only a developed convention, and the Governor General still technically acts At Her Majesty's pleasure (or the Royal Pleasure).[21] The Prime Minister may therefore recommend to the Queen that the viceroy remain in her service for a longer period of time, sometimes upwards of more than seven years (From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada )

Question to you, the fact that she was not extravagant wasting tax payers money, what do you think Harpers motivation was for not extending her term. Could it be that she told Harper to refrain from further prorogation and he thought getting rid of her would put him in a more stable position.

 

[AnnaG]

The government started deficit-spending just before the crash. There was a rainy day fund. The government spent it all. And when the rain finally came, we had to spend what we didn't have. I'm not necessarily going to blame this or that party, but clearly Parliament failed to keep spending in check.

And which government set EI up so that it could misuse EI funds? Which gov't started misusing the funds back in 1996? Two guesses and a clue, the first guess doesn't count: and the clue; it was not the Cons.

 

[lone wolf]

The incumbent will generally serve for at least five years, though this is only a developed convention, and the Governor General still technically acts At Her Majesty's pleasure (or the Royal Pleasure).[21] The Prime Minister may therefore recommend to the Queen that the viceroy remain in her service for a longer period of time, sometimes upwards of more than seven years

...so you just naturally interpret it to your meaning. I bet there's a real one too....

 

[Machjo]

How ironic that the Liberals proved to be the fiscal conservatives and the Conservatives the fiscal liberals.

I've never voted for a liberal candidate in my life yet, though I would if a good one should come up. I'd almost voted Reform once, and have even voted NDP on one occasio. I like certain conservative ideas. However, the Liberals were fiscal conservatives only in the sense that they weren't afraid to raise taxes if needs be, but not when it came to responsible spending. Then again, the Conservatives haven't proven so responsible either.

As for most NDP candidates, though I like certain ideas of theirs in ters of increasing funding for education, and a willingness to increase taxes, they also want to spend on all kinds of ishy washy unnecessary stuff that still goes beyond that that tax increases rake in, not to mention that they are too anti-capitalist (I have nothing against socialist ideas, except when they have to be so confrontational and pro-union).

We need to abandon our addiction to party loyalty and start voting for candidates of character regardless of their party loyalties.

 

[CDNBear]

We need to abandon our addiction to party loyalty and start voting for candidates of character regardless of their party loyalties.

I've been saying that for years.

Just so happens that the best local MP is a Conservative.

 

[Machjo]

I've been saying that for years.

Just so happens that the best local MP is a Conservative.

And that's fair enough. Your local Conservative MP might be a man or woman of character, but with so many across Canada voting Conservative blindly, you end up with idiots joining the ranks of the Conservative Party too. The same applies for any party. Imagine a Parliament comprising Liberals, Conservatives, NDP-ers and Blocists all with character and brains. We wouldn't really worry about their party affiliation anymore, they'd each stand up on principle, and you'd likely sometimes even have some alliances forming beyond party lines.

But when we all vote party blindly, we end up with right idiots getting swept into power from all parties just because someone liked the leader's looks.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

...so you just naturally interpret it to your meaning. I bet there's a real one too....

Question to you, the fact that she was not extravagant wasting tax payers money, what do you think Harpers motivation was for not extending her term. Could it be that she told Harper to refrain from further prorogation and he thought getting rid of her would put him in a more stable position.

 

[CDNBear]

And that's fair enough. Your local Conservative MP might be a man or woman of character, but with so many across Canada voting Conservative blindly, you end up with idiots joining the ranks of the Conservative Party too. The same applies for any party. Imagine a Parliament comprising Liberals, Conservatives, NDP-ers and Blocists all with character and brains. We wouldn't really worry about their party affiliation anymore, they'd each stand up on principle, and you'd likely sometimes even have some alliances forming beyond party lines.

But when we all vote party blindly, we end up with right idiots getting swept into power from all parties just because someone liked the leader's looks.

You won't get an argument out of me on that.

 

[lone wolf]

The incumbent will generally serve for at least five years, though this is only a developed convention, and the Governor General still technically acts At Her Majesty's pleasure (or the Royal Pleasure).[21] The Prime Minister may therefore recommend to the Queen that the viceroy remain in her service for a longer period of time, sometimes upwards of more than seven years

Question to you, the fact that she was not extravagant wasting tax payers money, what do you think Harpers motivation was for not extending her term. Could it be that she told Harper to refrain from further prorogation and he thought getting rid of her would put him in a more stable position.

Figured I better respond to your edit ... since I just noticed it and you'll bray "coward" or something if I don't....

Harper isn't required to extend the term ... nor would it look like anything more than a favour returned if he did. You and other propaganda hunters would be bitching about a partisan GG if the term was extended.

 

[CDNBear]

Question to you, the fact that she was not extravagant wasting tax payers money, what do you think Harpers motivation was for not extending her term. Could it be that she told Harper to refrain from further prorogation and he thought getting rid of her would put him in a more stable position.

How many times did Cretien prorogue Parliament Ruprecht?

 

[Machjo]

Also, I think a good question for a candidate is, if elected, would he vote his conscience or along with the party. Also, would he be willing to form a coalition with another MP not form the same party when they that MP presents a good idea? Would he be willing to vote with that MP even if against his party?

We need to get rid of the brain dead party hacks and get some thinkers in there.

My local MP happens to be Conservative too, but he's an outright idiot. The Liberal candidate last election wasn't much better. The NDP-er, well, she had no web-page or e-mail address, little info about her on the NDP website, I had minimal access to any info from her, well, she may have been good, but how could I know and I won't vote for someone I don't know.

The Green candidate happened to be the most reasonable. But again, I wasn't going to vote for him for his party or leader, but just because he himself had a brain.

 

[AnnaG]

What happened JLM no answer?, or is Harper entitled to rule with a bias and undemocratic principles?

roflmao

The Hypogrits is the same political party that was "moaning loudest about the fact that the Conservatives were robbing the people of Canada of their democratic rights by proroguing Parliament. But the moment they are given a chance to make a decision on a budget, they strategically abstain to ensure it passes". - Adrian McNair
Also,
"
Yesterday, they opted to tackle the wastefulness of taxpayer-funded mailings, called ten per centers. They argued these mass-mailing flyers are overly partisan and wasteful; they want them cut.
'Well, well, well,' the Tory memo says. 'Look who’s not bothering to show up in Parliament for work today after only eight days of parliamentary sittings. That’s right – it’s Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff.' "
Tories pounce as 'Ignatieff prorogues himself' - The Globe and Mail

Jean Chretien prorogued Parliament four times during his time as Prime Minister: February 5, 1996; September 18, 1999; September 16, 2002; and November 12, 2003.
Should I go back further than ChRETIeN?

 

[lone wolf]

Why not? Don't the number of times they sat or how many years mean they're the best? Seems to follow the number of times they've prorogued must be cast in some bony skull too....

...or the number of times a PM has been fired....

 

[AnnaG]

Good one Machjo, the legacy is intertwined with balancing the books, and Harper will not be the man to balance anything 7-8 years coming up Canada will be writing in bad red ink, even Harper confirmed that. That is the legacy that will send many running for cover. Like pigs on the way to the slaughter house, back like the Mulroney days.

... he says, meanwhile forgetting the fact that the Gliberals would also be running a deficit and said so themselves. :roll: :tard:

 

[Icarus27k]

The Canadian Conservative Legacy

The Conservative party of Canada has been in power for years and they have only been able to get elected to a minority government.

What are your views on the accomplishments of the Conservatives and what legacy will they be known for?

What is this "Conservative Party" I keep hearing about?








Joking.

 

[AnnaG]

How ironic that the Liberals proved to be the fiscal conservatives and the Conservatives the fiscal liberals.

Yes, it is rather weird.

However, the Liberals were fiscal conservatives only in the sense that they weren't afraid to raise taxes if needs be, but not when it came to responsible spending.

Yeah, it's ok to balance the budget as long as you balance it in a responsible way. The Gliberals failed miserably.

Then again, the Conservatives haven't proven so responsible either.

Yup.

We need to abandon our addiction to party loyalty and start voting for candidates of character regardless of their party loyalties.

I'd like to see that, but I sure won't be holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Too many YJs, Socs, etc. around to hope for balanced thought.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Figured I better respond to your edit ... since I just noticed it and you'll bray "coward" or something if I don't....

Harper isn't required to extend the term ... nor would it look like anything more than a favour returned if he did. You and other propaganda hunters would be bitching about a partisan GG if the term was extended.

How can it be partisan when in fact she was appointed by the Liberals? She was doing a good job not costing the tax payers waist. Could there be another reason?
PS i WILL NEVER CALL YOU A COWARD.

 

[CDNBear]

He stole it from Wikipedia. Governor General of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The real author is credited at the bottom of Wikipedia's page.

Don'tcha just gotta laugh at the Gliberals when they squawk about someone else's lack of ethics? rofflmfao

Yep, which is why I pointed it out. Giving him the oportunity to correct his error.

He didn't, I reported it, lol.

I was once chastised by juan, when he was a Mod, for mere forgetting to supply the accreditation. Even though I made no attempt to make it look as if it were my words.

So I'm interested to see how this plays out, just for kicks, lol.

 

[lone wolf]

What is this "Conservative Party" I keep hearing about?








Joking.

About half the reason Parliament is such a mess.





NOT Joking.... ;-)