Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?

[Downhome_Woman]

The opinion you just stated.

Sorry JLM - I'm still confused.
yours was the first statement on this particular thread that I replied to, but your reply 'I didn't take issue with your opinion, why would you take issue with mine? Last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country, Besides, I said most.'makes it seem as though I'd said something previously - which I hadn't.
As far as my taking issue with your opinion, of course we still have freedom of speech - where in my remarks did I ever say you had no right to express your opinion? All I did was respond to your remarks by expressing my own opinion.
Sorry, but you've left me very very confused!:confused2

 

[JLM]

Sorry JLM - I'm still confused.
yours was the first statement on this particular thread that I replied to, but your reply 'I didn't take issue with your opinion, why would you take issue with mine? Last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country, Besides, I said most.'makes it seem as though I'd said something previously - which I hadn't.
As far as my taking issue with your opinion, of course we still have freedom of speech - where in my remarks did I ever say you had no right to express your opinion? All I did was respond to your remarks by expressing my own opinion.
Sorry, but you've left me very very confused!:confused2

Sorry, the confusion was my fault, what I meant was I wasn't taking issue (at the time I posted) with what you said. Guess it was bad timing on my part. :smile:

 

[missile]

I am glad I've never had to make the decision to have an abortion [and have 4 daughters ,so we never even thought about ending my wife's pregnancies]. i have always thought that there are some cases where abortions shoild be allowed by any reasoning society..such as rape and if the mother was in danger of dying ,if she continued the pregnancy. I don't much care for Henry Morgenthaler and his clinic tho.

 

[Nuggler]

I think you are missing an important point there, Nuggler, as distasteful to you as a persons post is he has the basic right to state it (read up on Voltaire). I didn't agree with his post either but I don't have any problem with him stating it. The way you responded to it just makes you more ignorant than he is...........:smile:

I"m not missing squat, JLM

He has the right to say it, and given our law of freedom of speech, I have the right to respond. My response was that his mother should have aborted him, as a trip way back to the 1930's when women went to "clothes hanger doctors" to abort, is something our society doesn't need. Abortion in Canada is LEGAL.

One of our tender mods just couldn't handle that and removed it. No doubt a member of the right to freak-all Con party fundies.

I'm just stating my case here, not EXPLAINING anything to you, as; you probably couldn't put one thought in front of another, and are an eternal suck-up here. You should go bomb an abortion clinic or something. You'd obviously make a lot of friends from this site.

UNFORTUNATELY, right to poverty groups will always be with us, funded by the religious loonies, and those who would impose their will on others.

Save the dumb smarmy smilie at the end of your post for someone else.:angry3:

 

[JLM]

I"m not missing squat, JLM

He has the right to say it, and given our law of freedom of speech, I have the right to respond. My response was that his mother should have aborted him, as a trip way back to the 1930's when women went to "clothes hanger doctors" to abort, is something our society doesn't need. Abortion in Canada is LEGAL.

One of our tender mods just couldn't handle that and removed it. No doubt a member of the right to freak-all Con party fundies.

I'm just stating my case here, not EXPLAINING anything to you, as; you probably couldn't put one thought in front of another, and are an eternal suck-up here. You should go bomb an abortion clinic or something. You'd obviously make a lot of friends from this site.

UNFORTUNATELY, right to poverty groups will always be with us, funded by the religious loonies, and those who would impose their will on others.

Save the dumb smarmy smilie at the end of your post for someone else.:angry3:

Glad to see you are taking advantage of your right to be a perfect A$$hole. :smile:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I am glad I've never had to make the decision to have an abortion [and have 4 daughters ,so we never even thought about ending my wife's pregnancies]. i have always thought that there are some cases where abortions shoild be allowed by any reasoning society..such as rape and if the mother was in danger of dying ,if she continued the pregnancy. I don't much care for Henry Morgenthaler and his clinic tho.

Morgantaler was a pioneer on this issue, he went to prison for his beliefs. And he made a difference; he was instrumental in making abortion legal (and safe) in Canada.

Women of Canada owe him a big debt for advancing the cause of women’s rights, the cause of Feminism.

 

[CDNBear]

It may happen in USA, but by God, this is Canada. It does not and will not happen here.

I'm not surprised you would quote a

self righteous twit

We oft quote "self righteous twits" here too. And I just did.

Personhood movement is an extreme right wing Fundamentalist Christian movement, which claims that personhood begins at conception, that fetus is a person from the moment of conception. Its agenda is to bring Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy to USA, banning all abortions being the first and an essential step towards it.

So you moved the goal post from "Life" to "Human", to "Human being", to "Person" now. Interesting, if that gets proven to be incorrect, will you move the goal posts to "retiree" without ever conceding to the fact you were proven wrong?

But you will find that Canada is a hostile ground for any kind of extremism.

That explains the hostility you recieve here.

The kind of Bible thumping, self righteous moral preaching that goes down so well in USA tends to fall flat in Canada.

As does your version.

And yes, Canada would do well to fund abortions. The ramifications to the health of a large portion of the population, that has no need to take responsibility for their actions, because the Liberalist nanny state has removed the necessity of it, would be astounding.

 

[CDNBear]

Women of Canada owe him a big debt for advancing the cause of women’s rights, the cause of Feminism.

You forgot that he was also instrumental in making sure women had to accept no responsibility for their actions as well.

 

[DaSleeper]

. But you will find that Canada is a hostile ground for any kind of extremism.

That explains the hostility you recieve here.

As Oscar Wild would say.......:lol:
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends.."

 

[YukonJack]

"Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion?"

Yes, for any woman, for the first abortion. After all, mistakes DO happen.

There should be NO public funding for a second abortion. Or any abortion after that.

 

[YukonJack]

Abortion is to reproductive rights, as genocide is to population control.

 

[JLM]

I am glad I've never had to make the decision to have an abortion [and have 4 daughters ,so we never even thought about ending my wife's pregnancies]. i have always thought that there are some cases where abortions shoild be allowed by any reasoning society..such as rape and if the mother was in danger of dying ,if she continued the pregnancy. I don't much care for Henry Morgenthaler and his clinic tho.

Have you ever seen anyone as evil looking as Morgantaler? :smile:

 

[mamorab]

Sex is the driving force of human DNA. It is not a moral issue. It is an emotional one and since most men couldn't identify what their emotions are beyond horny and angry, they should mind their own business when it comes to abortion. I advise any woman who is forced to go to term through being coerced or guilted by brow beating by the religious or otherwise self righteous, to drop the kid on their door step and let them raise them.

If someone sets themselves up as judge and jury, they deserve to carry the burden of raising the kids they think should be brought into this world, particularly if they didn't even have the pleasure of assisting in its creation. That would be poetic justice.

allow me to disagree with you Cliffy, and clarify my reasons.
Sex is a driving force but morals are definitely the driver. How could you reach sex unless you crossed some moral boundaries. If the one you are with is not an escort you ordered or a girl you rapped or an under age girl who let her self for you and you said nothing , but some one you love and care about ( Girl friend or wife) and you let your driving force go wild with or without control and ended up with a baby in her womb , then you better keep caring and raise the baby .
Should Canadian tax payers be funding abortion? i guess NO they should not. because that will put a high pressure on the health care system and make millions of people who oppose abortion really angry and those also do pay tax . does it sound rude for those who want to have abortion ? well i guess it does and that is why the government should find different solutions to help those out special cases.

How?.... example. if a woman had sex with her husband and after three months she decided to drop the baby because she does not feel ready to have one ... well as a tax payer , i don’t care , she can pay for abortion from her and her husband's pocket not mine , and accept the guilt or sin or what ever if there is any.
but if a girl got rapped , or a 16 years old girl made a foolish mistake with her boy friend without realizing the consequences and got pregnant. such special cases should belong to another gov. programs to help them raise their kids by regular funding which i will be happy to pay for from my tax money. but i will not agree to pay that tax to kill a baby in his/her mother's womb.

 

[JLM]

I am glad I've never had to make the decision to have an abortion [and have 4 daughters ,so we never even thought about ending my wife's pregnancies]. i have always thought that there are some cases where abortions shoild be allowed by any reasoning society..such as rape and if the mother was in danger of dying ,if she continued the pregnancy. I don't much care for Henry Morgenthaler and his clinic tho.

Have you ever seen anyone else as evil looking as Morgantaler? :smile:

 

[YukonJack]

"Have you ever seen anyone else as evil looking as Morgantaler?"

I try not to judge anyone by their looks. After all, the all-American clean looks of Ted Bundy would never convince anyone that he was a brutal mass murderer and and a psyhopath.

And while I am proud to be a Canadian (admittedly, only a naturalized one, therefore of diminished value, according to some pseudo-patriots on this forum) I am totally ashamed as a Canadian for the treatment this mass murderer, Henry Mengelethaler received from the Canadian "justice" system.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Sorry, the confusion was my fault, what I meant was I wasn't taking issue (at the time I posted) with what you said. Guess it was bad timing on my part. :smile:

No problem! :lol: Mystery solved!:smile:

 

[wulfie68]

I think it would end up costing Healthcare a lot more if abortions are left up to the backstreet guys. I don't agree with abortion - and I'm not likely to have one any time in the future either. Though it might not be right by me, there are a lot more people in the world than just me. In the end, it's between the woman and her conscience.

Thats pretty much my take too.

 

[MHz]

Do you think it is going to be saving money when you have an unwanted child coming into the world. The odds are they will need support from taxpayer money just from that alone, if prison is ever involved the that is also taxpayer funded. We are not trying to repopulate the world any more. For the Christian part as soon as conception takes place there is a record put in the book of life so they will be redeemed from death.

 

[taxslave]

We've had universal health care long before abortion was legalized here in Canada. With the recent health care bill concerns in the US centered around tax payer funded abortion the question needs to be asked. Should there be tax payer funded abortion here in Canada?

The Canadian law allows a mother to have an abortion in the last trimester, even the day before the baby is born. This certainly is not health care for the unborn child. The mother may have physical problems after the abortion. A lot have emotional scars that last for years. This is not health care. Even some fathers have emotional problems after the fact.

Statistics show that there were 100,763 abortions performed in Canada in 2004 with only 6% due to health problems and only 1% because of rape or incest (source). These numbers do not include any abortions performed in the Manitoba abortion clinic as it did not release data to Statistics Canada.

So over 94,000 (93%) of these abortions were performed for convenience. A form of contraception. This clearly is not health care. And it is putting pressure on our health care system.

Unborn babies deserve human rights in Canada too.

Do you want to be amazed? Then watch this short video to see an unborn baby stretch, suck it's thumb, bounce, rub it's shoulder, scratch, open it's eyes, yawn, pout, stick it's tongue out and smile.

YouTube - 4D Ultrasound

If you believe the time has come for our government to extend full legal protection to every human being from their biological beginnings to natural death then please sign this petition.
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Just another promo by the anti human rights religious wing nuts
There is no such thing as an unborn child. It is either a a parasite living off the host(mother) or breathing and eating on its own.

 

[CDNBear]

Just another promo by the anti human rights religious wing nuts

:roll:

There is no such thing as an unborn child.

True, because even when terminated, it must still be born.

It is either a a parasite living off the host(mother) or breathing and eating on its own.

You can try and justify your opinions with any manner of negative, grotesque or ignorant labeling of that which grows within the womb. But in the end, it is still life.

I'm no Christian prolifer or right wing nut, but I also do not kill with regard or respect for life. Abortion as we know it today, is retro-active contraception.