The Pope Is On The Ropes

[gerryh]

I answered your damned question. Geez, you're always looking for the whipping boy.

Yeah, that's a wide brush alright. But you have to question how the flock can support such an organization when the evidence is so overwhelming. You know, God is not going to strike you dead if you call these basturds out. He might make a special place for you if you do stand up and expose them.

No, you have not answered the question.

I personally have not known or come in contact with a pedophile Priest. So there has been no one for me to "call out" or expose.

Now, I will ask YOU the same thing I asked MHZ from which mhz ran and ignored.


Since you have had personal experience with a pedophile Priest, or so you say, what did YOU do to bring this priest to justice, or are another example of the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[lone wolf]

There is an estimate that between 4 and 6% of Catholic priests have been involved with some type of pedarasty. With 750,000 priests worldwide the 40,000 figure is not out line with that. It could be however that this incidence is largely in the developed West. Pervasive social strictures against homosexuality in developing countries could mean it is much less prevalent there.

It should be noted that the whole Church is now moving to a One Strike policy.. one substantiated charge and you are defrocked, all charges are referred to local police for investigation and prosecution, no tolerance of cover up-of charges by superiors is acceptable.. at the cost of their jobs.

This was put in place in North America under the over all supervision of Cardinal Ratzinger, who as Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith was responsible for supervision of Canon Law (laws affecting clerics) and its court system under JPII.

The Magisterium of the Church realizes that forces within and without the Catholic Church deeply antithetical to the conservative agenda of Pope Benedict are using this to leverage agendas that include the end of priestly celibacy, the ordination of women, the 'decentralization' of Catholicism (including theology) to Lay Councils in parishes. None of those things will happen under Benedict.. in fact there is no chance that they will happen at all.

However placing the blame on the structure of the Church promotes these causes, which is why the Pontiff has become a target as the head of the Catholic Church. In actual fact these pedophiles would have found some other institution or opportunity to carry out their abuse, but there is no doubt a culture of arrogance and denial has afflicted the Church for a long time on this issue.

The Church has much more stringent admission requirements for the priesthood now, which includes psychological testing. And has implemented a strict oversight program of seminaries to ensure the exclusion of all those with homosexual tendencies are excluded.. from whence the large part of the problem originates.

There you go with the homosexuality/child molestor thing again. Are there no little girls in your world ... because I know of three very close by who were molested by their priest.

 

[DurkaDurka]

If the Vatican had its thinking cap on, it would force all priests to be castrated upon receiving their license to preach.

 

[gerryh]

If the Vatican had its thinking cap on, it would force all priests to be castrated upon receiving their license to preach.

Castrated eh...... I'd like to see you make that suggestion to the Priest that baptised my 2 youngest at Our Lady of Fatima in Coquitlam BC. He was a former biker. HUGE SOB.

 

[coldstream]

There you go with the homosexuality/child molestor thing again. Are there no little girls in your world ... because I know of three very close by who were molested by their priest.

Something in the order of 96 to 99% of the abuse cases brought against Catholic priests involve homosexual pederasty.

If you look at figures of homosexual behaviour beyond the clergy you will find that sexual contact with adolescents and children is the norm for active homosexuals.. the majority admitting to some such experience. Amongst heterosexuals it remains the exception and relatively rare.

 

[lone wolf]

Something in the order of 96 to 99% of the abuse cases brought against Catholic priests involve homosexual pederasty.

If you look at figures of homosexual behaviour beyond the clergy you will find that sexual contacts with adolescents and children is the norm for active homosexuals.. the majority admitting to some such experience. Amongst heterosexuals it remains the exception and relatively rare.

Post the link. As a rampant homophobic, your word ain't worth a lot

 

[coldstream]

Post the link. As a rampant homophobic, your word ain't worth a lot

I've found posting links is futile. The homosexual lobby is so prolific now that they provide their own body of 'scholarly' dissertations as to how 'normal' and 'non predatory' homosexuality is.

You have to realize that homosexuality is a deep moral pathology, intrinsically linked to behaviours of dominance, control, exploitation and self deception.. which is why children are so vulnerable to it.

There is nothing i.. or you.. can say to change this..it's just the way the world was created. Constructive sexuality will always be founded in love and procreation.. between one man and one woman. Destructive sexuality (which includes ALL homosexuality, and some heterosexuality) in gratification and predation... and there are no rules.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Castrated eh...... I'd like to see you make that suggestion to the Priest that baptised my 2 youngest at Our Lady of Fatima in Coquitlam BC. He was a former biker. HUGE SOB.

It might beckon back to the middle ages, but it surely would prevent these abuses and the administration wouldn't have anything to cover up. :-?

Biker Priests? Nothing would shock a guy like that during confession I imagine.

Seriously though, the Church needs a PR makeover with some dismissals of high ranking figures, that would be a start to regaining trust I think.

 

[gerryh]

I've found posting links is futile. The homosexual lobby is so prolific now that they provide their own body of 'scholarly' dissertations as to how 'normal' and 'non predatory' homosexuality is.

You have to realize that homosexuality is a deep moral pathology, intrinsically linked to behaviours of dominance, control, exploitation and self deception.. which is why children are so vulnerable to it.

There is nothing i.. or you.. can say to change this..it's just the way the world was created. Constructive sexuality will always be founded in love and procreation. Destructive sexuality in gratification and predation.

In other words, you can't back up your bull shyte. Saying that pedophilia within the priesthood is because of homosexuality is no different than blaming it on the celibacy rule. It's brainless tripe with no basis in fact.

 

[gerryh]

It might beckon back to the middle ages, but it surely would prevent these abuses and the administration wouldn't have anything to cover up. :-?

Biker Priests? Nothing would shock a guy like that during confession I imagine.

Seriously though, the Church needs a PR makeover with some dismissals of high ranking figures, that would be a start to regaining trust I think.

Agreed, a shake up is long over due with the ones on top needing to "fall on the sword".

The new rules that coldstream has mentioned concerning the reporting and charging of pedophiles within the Church is one hell of a good start.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

No, you have not answered the question.

I personally have not known or come in contact with a pedophile Priest. So there has been no one for me to "call out" or expose.

Now, I will ask YOU the same thing I asked MHZ from which mhz ran and ignored.


Since you have had personal experience with a pedophile Priest, or so you say, what did YOU do to bring this priest to justice, or are another example of the pot calling the kettle black?

The question is answered, just not to your satisfaction.

You won't find me running or ignoring you Gerry. You're on my buddy list. ;-)

As for that priest, he was exposed long after I had become an adult. I was building a church in the Toronto area, working alongside volunteers from the church, when this particular priest's name came up. Apparently after rehab he became a regional director of the church in Ontario. I guess such behaviour can land you that plum job after all.

 

[gerryh]

The question is answered, just not to your satisfaction.

You won't find me running or ignoring you Gerry. You're on my buddy list. ;-)

As for that priest, he was exposed long after I had become an adult. I was building a church in the Toronto area, working alongside volunteers from the church, when this particular priest's name came up. Apparently after rehab he became a regional director of the church in Ontario. I guess such behaviour can land you that plum job after all.

So, in otherwords, you kept your mouth shut and didn't say anything. Pot, meet kettle.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

No man you're still not getting it. I knew this POS when I was a young boy. He was squeaky clean during that time. Or so we thought. It was when I became an adult that he was charged with molesting young boys. People started to come forward with their stories when they got older. I didn't have any run ins with him. Maybe I wasn't pretty enough. There are some benefits to being butt ugly. Now put away your pots and kettles please.

 

[YukonJack]

Are there any statistics how many of the accusers of Catholic priests are nothing but phony, despicable copy-cats, because bashing the Catholic Church and lying thru your teeth about it is fashionable and - more importantly - profitable?

 

[Liberalman]

I hear there is 40,000 Catholic priests who are pedophiles. Is that true?

Are you saying they are getting a bum rap

 

[AnnaG]

It's crap like this that's the reason I am afraid to talk to my mother. Thanks a bunch, Vatican.

 

[Risus]

The local priest where I grew up was a drunk. I wonder if he was a molester too...

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Are there any statistics how many of the accusers of Catholic priests are nothing but phony, despicable copy-cats, because bashing the Catholic Church and lying thru your teeth about it is fashionable and - more importantly - profitable?

Don't know the stats on that. But the sicko that worked our parish was definitely guilty. And the bunch at Mount Cashel were as well.

I had the pleasure of video taping the wrecking crew bringing down the Mount Cashel orphanage after revelations came out about the crimes that took place in that facility. Every swipe of the wrecking ball was another step towards retribution for the kids that were subjected to those demeaning and degrading assaults. Now I believe there's a grocery store sitting on that property in Sin Jawns. The city couldn't wait to wipe that stain out of the public eye and the citizens were behind them 100%.

 

[gerryh]

The local priest where I grew up was a drunk. I wonder if he was a molester too...

anybody in your family a drunk? were they molesters?:roll:

 

[gerryh]

It's crap like this that's the reason I am afraid to talk to my mother. Thanks a bunch, Vatican.

:roll:

anything else you want to blame on the Vatican? Fear of heights? spiders? ..........?