Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] The South African spheres - 'The Klerksdorp Spheres':
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Quote from (1) - 'Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator. The spheres are of two types - "one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy centre" (Jimison, 1982). The sphere in the photo (right), was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, making it an unlikely 4,500 Million years years old. Some of the spheres can be seen in the Museum at Klerksdorp, South Africa. (1) [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]At least 200 have been found, and extracted out of deep rock at the Wonderstone Silver Mine in South Africa, averaging 1-4 inches in diam. and composed of a nickel-steel alloy that doesn't occur naturally. Some have a thin shell about a quarter inch thick, when broken open are filled with a strange spongy material that disintegrates into dust upon contact with air.
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Ooparts: Out of place Artefacts
Some scientists are no better than priests.
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What a load of nonsense, I've seen ten year old trees in my yard hammered by the beetle. The pine has always been there, the only major change has been lack of very cold winters to hit the beetle when they're most vulnerable, when they're hibernating.
We also don't get the early and late freezes to catch the beetle when they're either going into or coming out of hiberbation.
Like he said, sometimes scientists make mistakes. Not all take bribes, not all fudge numbers, etc. Just like not all beavers are vegetarians.
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Want a list of other animals that this carving looks like?
lol Some posters are no better than nutjobs either. lol
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] The South African spheres - 'The Klerksdorp Spheres':[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Quote from (1) - 'Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator. The spheres are of two types - "one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy centre" (Jimison, 1982). The sphere in the photo (right), was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, making it an unlikely 4,500 Million years years old. Some of the spheres can be seen in the Museum at Klerksdorp, South Africa. (1)
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]At least 200 have been found, and extracted out of deep rock at the Wonderstone Silver Mine in South Africa, averaging 1-4 inches in diam. and composed of a nickel-steel alloy that doesn't occur naturally. Some have a thin shell about a quarter inch thick, when broken open are filled with a strange spongy material that disintegrates into dust upon contact with air.
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Ooparts: Out of place Artefacts
Some scientists are no better than priests.
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Some simple facts for those of you who don't seem get the pine beetle infestation- climate change link.
- The beetle don't just feed on the pine, they spend most of their lifecycle under the pine bark. They depend on the pine for shelter to reproduce and survive harsh winter conditions.
- Mature pine with thicker bark give greater protection to the pine beetle over the winter. Many of the stands that the beetle have infested in the last decade simply would not have supported their needs just a couple of decades ago. An early winter or late spring freeze would have caught the beetles without their glycol protection and intense cold winter weather that can freeze trees to their core would have culled off beetle populations in stands of small wood.
- Shorter milder winters mean that more beetles from each years breeding cycle survive the cold to fly off and infest more pine. The beetle are also able to overwinter in stands that traditionally have been denied them.
It's not as if millions of pine have suddenly popped into existance to give the pine beetle in the west a new source of nutrition. What has happened is that climate change has upset the natural balance of several millenia and removed one of the crucial controls on the pine beetles' expansion in both numbers and territory.
If the pine beetle outbreak in the west isn't about CLIMATE CHANGE then I don't know what is.
- The beetle don't just feed on the pine, they spend most of their lifecycle under the pine bark. They depend on the pine for shelter to reproduce and survive harsh winter conditions.
- Mature pine with thicker bark give greater protection to the pine beetle over the winter. Many of the stands that the beetle have infested in the last decade simply would not have supported their needs just a couple of decades ago. An early winter or late spring freeze would have caught the beetles without their glycol protection and intense cold winter weather that can freeze trees to their core would have culled off beetle populations in stands of small wood.
- Shorter milder winters mean that more beetles from each years breeding cycle survive the cold to fly off and infest more pine. The beetle are also able to overwinter in stands that traditionally have been denied them.
It's not as if millions of pine have suddenly popped into existance to give the pine beetle in the west a new source of nutrition. What has happened is that climate change has upset the natural balance of several millenia and removed one of the crucial controls on the pine beetles' expansion in both numbers and territory.
If the pine beetle outbreak in the west isn't about CLIMATE CHANGE then I don't know what is.
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Pine beetle is only an indicator, but as Extrafire said, it is also affected by other factors such as availability of food.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/docs/v-g/dpp-mpb/sec6.aspx
I bet you won't find very many beetles among the dead, red trees in this pic and climate doesn't matter. There's no food for them.
So if the beetle was such a reliable indicator of climate change, why aren't scientists relying solely on the study of the beetle?
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/docs/v-g/dpp-mpb/sec6.aspx
I bet you won't find very many beetles among the dead, red trees in this pic and climate doesn't matter. There's no food for them.
So if the beetle was such a reliable indicator of climate change, why aren't scientists relying solely on the study of the beetle?
Pine beetle is only an indicator, but as Extrafire said, it is also affected by other factors such as availability of food.
Parks Canada - Mountain Pine Beetle - Natural Heritage - Mountain Pine Beetle - Mountain Parks - Research
I bet you won't find very many beetles among the dead, red trees in this pic and climate doesn't matter. There's no food for them.
So if the beetle was such a reliable indicator of climate change, why aren't scientists relying solely on the study of the beetle?
Exactly my point, climate change has opened up vast new areas for the beetle to feed on. The beetle can now feed, breed and overwinter in places they could not sustainably do so in the recent past. Climate change isn't just a marginal contributor to the vast beetle infestation, it's the underlying factor.
Of course it's an indicator of climate change, it's a flashing red light.
Scientists aren't relying soley on the study of the beetle because we're talking about GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.
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That's what I said to begin with: "all it is is an indicator, but there are other factors that influence beetles" and you argued with me. .
How bout that. lol
I decided to consult an expert on the subject of the massive pine beetle outbreak in the west(I asked my sister who's worked in the field for several decades, her husband is also a forest-engineer, so is our dad, my brother has also been a forester with BC Forests for more than two decades, so I've heard more on this subject than I ever wanted to.)
First off the pine beetle is indigenous to BC, it wasn't introduced and it didn't move up from the south. Quite possibly the beetle has been here as long as the pine.
Some of the first outbreaks were noticed in Manning park in the south of the province as early as the 1950s. They were a result of a combination of fire suppression, conservation and warmer climatic conditions creating a beneficial environment for the beetles' spread.
The major historical control on beetle populations inthe west has been climatic, not food supply. They simply would not have been able to survive 25 years ago in many of the stands they have successfully infested in the last two decades.
Basically what it comes down and what I've been saying all along, until the climate changed the major control on the beetle population in the west was climatic- longer colder winters that kept the beetle in a natural equilibrium with the pine forests. They were pretty much restricted to mature pine stands and even there their numbers were kept in check.
Human activity- fire suppression and conservation- has contributed to the vast outbreak of pine beetle in the west, but the primary cause, is the changing climate which has allowed the beetle to utilize most of the food and territory available, not just the mature stands.
Once again, until the climatic controls were removed due to CLIMATE CHANGE, most of the vast stands of pine in the west were inaccessable to the pine beetle.
In addition to being a flashing red light the pine beetle outbreak in BC is a screaming siren to anyone who cares to listen.
I'm sure that 10 or 20 years from now some people are going to be claiming it's the lack of seals that has resulted in the disappearance the polar bear, such thinking is refered to as "not being able to see the forest for the trees" IIRC... most of the trees in this case being standing red or grey(dead).
First off the pine beetle is indigenous to BC, it wasn't introduced and it didn't move up from the south. Quite possibly the beetle has been here as long as the pine.
Some of the first outbreaks were noticed in Manning park in the south of the province as early as the 1950s. They were a result of a combination of fire suppression, conservation and warmer climatic conditions creating a beneficial environment for the beetles' spread.
The major historical control on beetle populations inthe west has been climatic, not food supply. They simply would not have been able to survive 25 years ago in many of the stands they have successfully infested in the last two decades.
Basically what it comes down and what I've been saying all along, until the climate changed the major control on the beetle population in the west was climatic- longer colder winters that kept the beetle in a natural equilibrium with the pine forests. They were pretty much restricted to mature pine stands and even there their numbers were kept in check.
Human activity- fire suppression and conservation- has contributed to the vast outbreak of pine beetle in the west, but the primary cause, is the changing climate which has allowed the beetle to utilize most of the food and territory available, not just the mature stands.
Once again, until the climatic controls were removed due to CLIMATE CHANGE, most of the vast stands of pine in the west were inaccessable to the pine beetle.
In addition to being a flashing red light the pine beetle outbreak in BC is a screaming siren to anyone who cares to listen.
I'm sure that 10 or 20 years from now some people are going to be claiming it's the lack of seals that has resulted in the disappearance the polar bear, such thinking is refered to as "not being able to see the forest for the trees" IIRC... most of the trees in this case being standing red or grey(dead).
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I was wondering when someone was going to do that...thought it would have been Walt.....:lol:
Arctic Sea Ice: Brace Yourself for the Spin
The extent of Arctic sea ice peaked on March 31, 2010, the latest date for the maximum Arctic sea ice extent since the start of the satellite record in 1979, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Co. The ice also reached an extent that was 670,000 square kilometers (260,000 square miles) above the record low for the month, which occurred in March 2006.
From these two factoids, you may expect a round of stories in the DenierSphere trumpeting a return to global cooling - an end to the worrying decline of Arctic ice that hit a low point in 2006. Just as they have done with the unusually warm year in 1998, the campaigners for inaction will grasp onto the historic low as a new starting point for their graph - which will then show an actual increase in ice: hallelujah.
Of course, if you look at the graph to the left, you'll see the trend. If someone tries to take your attention away from that declining line, ask them to explain why.
Well go ahead...explain away.:lol:
Arctic Sea Ice: Brace Yourself for the Spin
From these two factoids, you may expect a round of stories in the DenierSphere trumpeting a return to global cooling - an end to the worrying decline of Arctic ice that hit a low point in 2006. Just as they have done with the unusually warm year in 1998, the campaigners for inaction will grasp onto the historic low as a new starting point for their graph - which will then show an actual increase in ice: hallelujah.
Of course, if you look at the graph to the left, you'll see the trend. If someone tries to take your attention away from that declining line, ask them to explain why.
Well go ahead...explain away.:lol:
What? Can't be.....:lol:
Glacier National Park might soon need a new name. The northern Montana refuge just lost another two of its namesake ice fields to climate change and park officials warn the remaining twenty-five could be gone by the end of the decade.
A glacier needs to be at least ten hectares to qualify for the title and so far one third of glaciers in the park have slipped below that threshold. Of the 12 that have melted away, 11 have done so since 1966. Overall glacier acreage in the park in 2005 has sank 18 percent since that time.
The latest two to drop off the list lost 55% of their area since the mid 1960’s and the rest are going fast. "When we're measuring glacier margins, by the time we go home, the glacier is already smaller than what we've measured," said Dan Fagre, an ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey.
The exodus of ice also threatens a $1 billion tourism industry in the area. Disappearing glaciers and warmer temperatures will lower stream flows, impacting fishing and rafting outfitters.
Local businesses are worried about the big melt. Rhonda Fitzgerald runs the Garden Wall Inn in Whitefish, Montana and knows well what keeps her customers coming. “Visitors come to Montana for its spectacular unspoiled natural beauty.”
“Tourism is Montana’s number 2 industry, bringing over $3 billion into the state each year, and Glacier National Park is one of the top reasons people visit Montana,” she said. Ensuring that the pristine condition of the Crown of the Continent and its intact ecosystem will be maintained is essential to the economic health of Montana’s tourism industry.”
A recent report by the Rocky Mountain Climate Organization and Natural Resources Defence Council showed that Glacier Park was two degrees hotter on average from 2000 to 2009, compared with 1950 to 1979.
Meanwhile the Washington Post continues its campaign against rational thought. This week they published an op-ed declaring that climate science is not only dead, but that those pesky green radicals are already plotting the next phony global scare to raise money.
This once august journal of sober thought seems now to be instead enamored with kooky conspiracy theories. If their writers no longer subscribe to science, perhaps they should instead look out the window.
Last march was the wettest month on record in Rhode Island, New York City, and New Jersey. Last winter had the most snow in DC history since records were kept in 1884. More weather records fell this week in the Northeast - The hottest April 7 on record for Boston and New York. Philly has seen the warmest first week of April ever.
Shoring up what we can see with our own eyes is a recent report that showed such freaky weather was becoming more frequent throughout the Northeast.
The study combed through 60 years' worth of National Weather Service rainfall records in nine Northeastern states and found that storms that produce an inch or more of rain in a day are now commonplace. This inconvenient truth may require billions of dollars of upgrades to infrastructure that was designed for “100 year floods” that now come quite a bit more often.
The weather is getting weird whether the well-funded constellation of climate deniers wants to admit it of not.
That a national park might soon have to come up with a new name is only the latest glaring evidence that the world is not in fact flat.
Glacier National Park might soon need a new name. The northern Montana refuge just lost another two of its namesake ice fields to climate change and park officials warn the remaining twenty-five could be gone by the end of the decade.
A glacier needs to be at least ten hectares to qualify for the title and so far one third of glaciers in the park have slipped below that threshold. Of the 12 that have melted away, 11 have done so since 1966. Overall glacier acreage in the park in 2005 has sank 18 percent since that time.
The latest two to drop off the list lost 55% of their area since the mid 1960’s and the rest are going fast. "When we're measuring glacier margins, by the time we go home, the glacier is already smaller than what we've measured," said Dan Fagre, an ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey.
The exodus of ice also threatens a $1 billion tourism industry in the area. Disappearing glaciers and warmer temperatures will lower stream flows, impacting fishing and rafting outfitters.
Local businesses are worried about the big melt. Rhonda Fitzgerald runs the Garden Wall Inn in Whitefish, Montana and knows well what keeps her customers coming. “Visitors come to Montana for its spectacular unspoiled natural beauty.”
“Tourism is Montana’s number 2 industry, bringing over $3 billion into the state each year, and Glacier National Park is one of the top reasons people visit Montana,” she said. Ensuring that the pristine condition of the Crown of the Continent and its intact ecosystem will be maintained is essential to the economic health of Montana’s tourism industry.”
A recent report by the Rocky Mountain Climate Organization and Natural Resources Defence Council showed that Glacier Park was two degrees hotter on average from 2000 to 2009, compared with 1950 to 1979.
Meanwhile the Washington Post continues its campaign against rational thought. This week they published an op-ed declaring that climate science is not only dead, but that those pesky green radicals are already plotting the next phony global scare to raise money.
This once august journal of sober thought seems now to be instead enamored with kooky conspiracy theories. If their writers no longer subscribe to science, perhaps they should instead look out the window.
Last march was the wettest month on record in Rhode Island, New York City, and New Jersey. Last winter had the most snow in DC history since records were kept in 1884. More weather records fell this week in the Northeast - The hottest April 7 on record for Boston and New York. Philly has seen the warmest first week of April ever.
Shoring up what we can see with our own eyes is a recent report that showed such freaky weather was becoming more frequent throughout the Northeast.
The study combed through 60 years' worth of National Weather Service rainfall records in nine Northeastern states and found that storms that produce an inch or more of rain in a day are now commonplace. This inconvenient truth may require billions of dollars of upgrades to infrastructure that was designed for “100 year floods” that now come quite a bit more often.
The weather is getting weird whether the well-funded constellation of climate deniers wants to admit it of not.
That a national park might soon have to come up with a new name is only the latest glaring evidence that the world is not in fact flat.
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