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Extrafire

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Conservatives normally don't support any environmental initiatives, whether symbolic or substantial.
Conservatives will support most any environmental cause that actually benefits the environment, however they won't support the phony causes dreamed up by environuts.

And who will oppose discharging untreated sewage into lakes and streams? That can hardly be called environmental initiative, it is a safety issue. Same thing applies to leaded gasoline. Once lead was proved to be poisonous, it became a safety issue, not an environmental one.
:lol: Oh how you twist and squirm! Until quite recently the city of Victoria dumped all its sewage into the sea untreated. It wasn't any safety problem. And if safety is involved, somehow it's not environmental any more? :-? A buddy of mine lived in Costa Rica for a couple years. Sewage there went directly from houses into a creek, but according to you that's not an evironemental concern.

So in other words, you cannot point to even a single environmental initiative that you support.
I just did.

But let me throw you a softball. Do you support the Endangered Species Act? YJ evidently doesn't, he as much as implied that all the animal species can go to Hell for all he cares. Are you that right wing? How do you feel about the Endangered Species Act?
Canadian or US? I support the idea of protecting species that are endangered by human activity. But the act in the US has been used more to advance political agendas than to protect creatures.
 

Extrafire

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And I have shown that they were not environmental initiatives, but safety matters. Here is a partial list of some of the major environmental initiatives.

Cap and Trade
Kyoto
Drilling in Alaska
Endangered Species Act
Introduction of bears and wolfs in their old habitats (but where they were hunted to extinction).
You just keep pounding that same drum. I've already informed you that Cap and Trade & Kyoto are political and wealth transfer initiatives. I've answered on drilling in Alaska. And I've just answered on the ESA.
 

Extrafire

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So you are saying pretty much the same thing as YJ, only in different words. According to you, more than one billion people in the world are extremely gullible (translate: stupid), so that they can be led astray by a few environmentalists. .
No, that's you putting your words into my mouth. They are uninformed and misinformed. You don't have to be either gullible or stupid when you are thus ignorant of the facts and governments, most media, celebrities, industries and a LOT of environmentalists are all working together. My brother holds a doctorate and teaches at a university so he's not stupid but he swallowed the AGW scam whole. One of these days I'll get him into a discussion of the subject. ;-)

And are you calling the Pope a left wing nut? I am sure Pope will be amused by that, normally he is called a right wing nut (for opposing aboriton, homosexuality etc.).

I don't think anybody is capable of leading more than one billion people astray.
Nope, he's one of the misinformed who have been led astray.
 

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No, that's you putting your words into my mouth. They are uninformed and misinformed. You don't have to be either gullible or stupid when you are thus ignorant of the facts and governments, most media, celebrities, industries and a LOT of environmentalists are all working together. My brother holds a doctorate and teaches at a university so he's not stupid but he swallowed the AGW scam whole. One of these days I'll get him into a discussion of the subject. ;-)

Nope, he's one of the misinformed who have been led astray.

....has it ever occured to you that it is you who is wrong?

Since you consistantly get schooled by Ton I'm not sure where you get you confidence from.:scratch:
 

Extrafire

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Care to quote the regulations? I can find one specific mention of scrubbers in Title 4 of the Clean Air Act amendments, but it's at the very end when describing a demonstration project. There is lots of language about caps though, and who must cut emissions. But I don't see anything about specific technologies mandated.

The cap and trade program allowed the market to pick the winners. I don't see anything about government demanding it from a single technology. Perhaps you can enlighten us...
Nope, I'm just remembering all the newspaper and magazine articles from way back when. Couldn't swear that memory is accurate.

Anyways, if you are right, are you saying that government regulations would be more preferable than allowing the market to pick the winners for all pollution reductions as well?
A certain amount of government regulations is necessary. It was regulations that got rid of leaded gas. It's regulations that greatly reduced other exhaust pollutants from cars. Municipal regulations severly limit the amount of burning allowed within their boundaries. Left to itself would the market have reduced pollutants to the extent they have been cut? I don't think so.
 

Extrafire

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....has it ever occured to you that it is you who is wrong?

Since you consistantly get schooled by Ton I'm not sure where you get you confidence from.:scratch:
Me wrong about the Pope? Ya really think he's a left wing nut?

As for Ton, he tries to school me but usually ends up getting spanked.
 

Extrafire

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No he wasn't. He was being sarcastic. If you look at the picture, North Korea is in full blaze. So he was saying that it did not succeed in North Korea. And he was proud of the fact that North Korea stuck it to the environmentalists.
Yes he was also being sarcastic. I'm surprised you got that, usually you don't.

Yeah, full blaze with one city lit up and nothing else. Ah, the benefits of socialism!:roll:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Is your computer still turned on? The forum software says you're still here....

I am always logged on, I never log off. I assume forum computer may say I am here even when the computer is off.

Anyway, you may have noticed I haven't posted anything for almost 12 hours. You didn't think the party animals would leave until they had finished all the beer, did you?
 
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SirJosephPorter

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Hydro usage in Toronto dropped by over 10%. I would say that it was a success.

That is a big success indeed. Normally simply switching off the lights should not have much influence on usage (as I said, it was a symbolic act). Most people keep many lights (the ones they are not using) switched off anyway.

The fact that hydro usage was reduced by 10% tells me that a great many people participated in the Earth Hour. But then I have always maintained that this is a conservative dominated discussion board and doe not necessarily reflect how Canada feels as a whole.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Okay. I have to respond to this. Play hockey in the dark. That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!:lol::lol::lol:

Now really. Does a body have to use a funny face icon here before people figure out that somebody is not being serious?

But I was serious about watching the game without lights (or with dimmed lights).
 

SirJosephPorter

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Conservatives will support most any environmental cause that actually benefits the environment, however they won't support the phony causes dreamed up by environuts.

Conservatives support very few environmental initiatives, Extrafire. They normally don’t believe in saving the environment. To them, human beings come first, anything else (animals, environment, ecology) can perish.

:lol: Oh how you twist and squirm! Until quite recently the city of Victoria dumped all its sewage into the sea untreated. It wasn't any safety problem. And if safety is involved, somehow it's not environmental any more? :-? A buddy of mine lived in Costa Rica for a couple years. Sewage there went directly from houses into a creek, but according to you that's not an evironmental concern.
I don’t think it needs a rocket scientist to figure out that dumping raw sewage into lakes and rivers is a safety issue. If you happen to drink that water it will make you sick.

An environmental issue is one where there no immediate danger to safety, but there may be long term danger. That is where drilling in Alaska, cap and trade etc. come into picture.

Canadian or US? I support the idea of protecting species that are endangered by human activity. But the act in the US has been used more to advance political agendas than to protect creatures.
So you don’t think much of endangered species legislation. About what I figured.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You just keep pounding that same drum. I've already informed you that Cap and Trade & Kyoto are political and wealth transfer initiatives. I've answered on drilling in Alaska. And I've just answered on the ESA.

You have simply confirmed what I thought. That you don't support any major environmental initiative. You will support doing something about the environment only when there is an immediate danger to safety, like pouring raw sewage into lakes, or banning lead for gas.

And that indeed would be the typical conservative position. Conservatism and environmentalism do not mix.
 

SirJosephPorter

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No, that's you putting your words into my mouth. They are uninformed and misinformed. You don't have to be either gullible or stupid when you are thus ignorant of the facts and governments, most media, celebrities, industries and a LOT of environmentalists are all working together. My brother holds a doctorate and teaches at a university so he's not stupid but he swallowed the AGW scam whole. One of these days I'll get him into a discussion of the subject. ;-)

Well, my advice to you is, listen to your brother. He has a Ph.D., he knows a thing or two.

Nope, he's one of the misinformed who have been led astray.

So you are saying that Pope is gullible? Well, I would call Pope a lot of things, but gullible isn't one of them.

Anyway, now I know what is your definition of gullible. Gullible is somebody who disagrees with you.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Yes he was also being sarcastic. I'm surprised you got that, usually you don't.

Yeah, full blaze with one city lit up and nothing else. Ah, the benefits of socialism!:roll:

Indeed. Any time conservatives think that North Korean dictator is a great guy (for sticking up to environmentalists), that has to be the weirdest match of the century. Anyway, I will remember this the next time a conservative criticizes North Korea. According to conservatives, North Korean dictator is a good guy as far as environment is concerned.