Canadian gun rights.

[Colpy]

What the lefties in Canada don't want to admit is that with gun control, as with everything else, the law of diminishing returns kicks in sooner or later. I think we have passed that point in Canada now. I'm in favour of background checks for mental illness and criminal records, and some storage safety regulations but we have gone far beyond this.

Yeah.

I don't have a problem with getting a license every five years, I really don't (as long as they remove the questions that are a violation of my right to privacy)

Nor would I mind being required to report a change of address under the licensing system.

But the rigid classification of arms is stupid (basically, a gun is a gun is a gun), registration is simply outrageously expensive, completely ineffective at controling crime, and is useful only for gov't seizures........

As for the REST of the Firearms Act, it is a violation of multiple individual rights....the right to remain silent, the right to be free from unreasonable search, the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty,.......just unbelievable people support this....

 

[gerryh]

But at least in your perfect world if trouble comes a knocking you can easily identify it because it will be wearing a uniform, or at least a brown shirt.

Now, that didn't take long, did it.

 

[CDNBear]

Now, that didn't take long, did it.

Given who his post was referencing, it may have been short in coming, but it certainly would fit the expressed ideals that member embraces.

 

[gerryh]

Given who his post was referencing, it may have been short in coming, but it certainly would fit the expressed ideals that member embraces.

I see, so bringing up the analogy is only a lose depending on who, or from what side of the political spectrum it is tossed.

 

[CDNBear]

I see, so bringing up the analogy is only a lose depending on who, or from what side of the political spectrum it is tossed.

Not at all. I will defend it, (and even do it)only when it appears to be a factual comparison, and is not the sole content of the post. Unless of course that is supported by a fact based assessment and is warranted by context.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Both sides will cherry pick statistics, however the gunophobes have a great deal of obuscating data to work with and are very adept at manufacturing more of it. If gun control works so well why had DC held the record for the highest violent crime rate for many years with a near total ban firearms ownership, (along with such places like New York and Chicago, and all of California) ?

That is easy. Guns are brought in from jurisdictions which have no gun control. Gun control must cover the entire nation for it to be effective. Guns are smuggled into Canada from USA. But since they have to cross the border, there is at least some check on gun imports into Canada. There is absolutely no check on somebody traveling from Virginia ro DC. He may bring in a car trunk full of guns and nobody will question him.

Gun control in isolated pockets like DC or NY is totally meaningless.

 

[YukonJack]

The title of this thread is an oxymoron.

 

[gerryh]

Not at all. I will defend it, (and even do it)only when it appears to be a factual comparison, and is not the sole content of the post. Unless of course that is supported by a fact based assessment and is warranted by context.

LOL....ya...ok...... the Liberals and their gun control is the first step for the facists to take over Canada and bring in their brown shirts to terrorize the populace.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That is because it is an opnion, and formed with tunnel vision at that. Crimes committed by governments aren't reported as crimes, and throughout human history the worst crimes are committed by governments.

I see. so are you saying that your Harper government in Canada is committing crimes on a wholesale scale which are not counted and that is screwing up the statistics? That if we included the crimes committed by Harper government, it will actually show that murder rate in Canada is higher than that of USA? Well, you may have a point there. You should know Harper better than I do. You are a conservative, I am not.

Germany, France, and the Soviet Union also had strict gun control, that worked out really well for them.

Germany and France do have strcit gun control, and it does work out well for them. Compare crime rate in Germany, France and USA. Or are you saying again that French and German governments are committing murders wholesale and if those are counted, it will show they they have a higher murder rate than that of USA?

But at least in your perfect world if trouble comes a knocking you can easily identify it because it will be wearing a uniform, or at least a brown shirt.

So are you saying that Canada is menaced by Brown shirts? You you really believe your own rhetoric?

 

[JLM]

The title of this thread is an oxymoron.

And some of the responders are just morons.................:smile:

 

[CDNBear]

LOL....ya...ok...... the Liberals and their gun control is the first step for the facists to take over Canada and bring in their brown shirts to terrorize the populace.

Actually, all humour aside, it is the first steps communist regimes take to ensure the public can not take up arms against the new Gov't.

Dude, this isn't rocket science.

 

[gerryh]

Actually, all humour aside, it is the first steps communist regimes take to ensure the public can not take up arms against the new Gov't.

Dude, this isn't rocket science.

"Dude", Canada isn't a communist regime, and that ain't "rocket science".

 

[CDNBear]

"Dude", Canada isn't a communist regime, and that ain't "rocket science".

It's slowly becoming a socialist state.

 

[gerryh]

It's slowly becoming a socialist state.

define socialist state, list what's bad about it and how Canada is becoming one.



I'll tell you right now though, I will lay odds that you will spout cold war propoganda and tin foil hat conspiracy.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yeah sure, we all have dreams, but I fail to see how such a useless piece of legislation could have become such a sacred cow. It hasn't done anything but cost money and frustrate law abiding citizens, the criminals just don't care about it.

Well, your dream may be to get rid of all the gun control in Canada, to turn it into a carbon copy of USA. But fortunately a majority of Canadians don't share that dream (or nightmare). Majority of Canadians support gun control.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What the leftes in Canada don't want to admit is that with gun control, as with everything else, the law of diminishing returns kicks in sooner or later. I think we have passed that point in Canada now. I'm in favour of background checks for mental illness and criminal records, and some storage safety regulations but we have gone far beyond this.

I think we have gun control about right. The only regulation more that I would support would be a total ban on handguns, as they have in Britain and Australia. Other than that I don't see the need of any more gun control. But I am strongly opposed to repealing anything we currently have.

 

[taxslave]

I own two guns and I don't find it difficult to own them. Were there hoops to go through to get them? You bet, but it didn't bother me one bit. Sometimes I find it creepy the way some gun owners froth at the mouth about any sort of restrictions on something that is primarlily designed to kill.

We expect people to get tested and licensed to drive, I think the same should be true with guns.

Are you talking about hand guns or rifles? Huge difference as to how most of us feel about licensing. The other problem is that if the cops have access to the registry then so do criminals looking to steal firearms. There are also a lot of rules in there that look good on paper and might work in a city but are not realistic for those of us with livestock to protect from predators.
There wouldn't be so much of a problem if it was about safe operation as it is with vehicles. The last time I looked there were a lot of questions that had nothing to do with shooting knowledge but let some social worker decide if you should be allowed to own a rifle based on when you last declared bankruptcy or got divorced.

 

[YukonJack]

If one takes a look at gun crimes in the United States, it it fairly obvious that the reason is NOT the gun laws, but the highly tauted DIVERSITY.

 

[taxslave]

I think we have gun control about right. The only regulation more that I would support would be a total ban on handguns, as they have in Britain and Australia. Other than that I don't see the need of any more gun control. But I am strongly opposed to repealing anything we currently have.

You going to include criminals and the RCMP in this? As long as criminals can have guns the rest of us need them as well.

 

[CDNBear]

define socialist state, list what's bad about it and how Canada is becoming one.

Overbearing Gov't control. A trend to socialize industry. HRC's. Limiting rights, and so on.

If you don't know by now that Canada has become increasingly socialist, you're as woefully informed as many of those you rail against.

I'll tell you right now though, I will lay odds that you will spout cold war propoganda and tin foil hat conspiracy.

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