Ann Coulter upsetting people....again

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But to respond to the original statement. Do we really want to be known as a nation of crybabies, who would ban someone for a joke?

It is not even that offensive. It is actually pretty mild compared to some jokes. Nobody should be banned from speaking, otherwise you have a fascists/communist country, or at least a tyrannical state, regardless of politics.

If you can't express your opinion, you aren't free, and if you aren't free, you are serving someone without thought to it. Unless we as Canadians should blindly follow our leaders in lockstep, these kinds of people are a good thing.

But I'm not specifically defending Coulter, but rather, her right to say things like this.

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
 

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Oh and what Muslims should do in a situation like this is retort in kind. You could easily make fun of her being a blond or being an American or being a woman.

The best way to combat offensive stereotypes is to throw them right back or ignore them completely.

The world would be extremely boring without any offensive stereotypes types to be honest. I even find stereotypes about people like myself to be funny.

Stereotypes are at least half true, most the time.
 

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After the shameful behaviour of "students" Canada can no longer claim that it is a land of free speech.

I always thought that universities were places where a young person could learn to listen to a dissenting view, form his/her own opinion, evaluate what the other side says and then oppose with a reasonable counter argument.

I also thought - obviously mistakenly - that these so called "students" had a sense of huomour. They seem to endorse the insane yellings of Jon Stewart or that other ar$ with the uneven ears. Or especially the worst haye-monger of them all, Bill Maher.

I have no doubt that these "students" would be totally overjoyed listening to Lois Farrakhan or Charles Manson.

Most these "students" are braindead morons who are what Stalin would call "useful idiots". If I ever become a communist or a fascist dictator, I will without a doubt, start recruiting first thing at the universities.

These people really are an embarrassment. What is worse, they represent our intellectual future...
 

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quote=Libertarian;1244440] “ Yeah but that was just a joke. It really isn't that offensive, but that quote is ignorant, because Islam != Arabic culture, or even Persian culture. Watch some comedians like George Carlin, Jimmy Carr, or Doug Stanhope to see offensive.”

Socrates:

Hey, you may share the same political Republican views as her, which is totally expectable, one thing you can not convince me, that US has not instigated the level of hate in the middle east. There is Arab or Muslim or Iraqi blood on the American report card in the quest to insure the American Oil ADDICTION. Weapons of mass destruction was Bush’s motto, and there were none. Human blood wasted, for OIL

Libertarian:
“I mean if she is serious about banning Muslims from airplanes, then sure. Because first, you can't tell if someone is a Muslim, and a Muslim could easily lie, so it would be pointless. Second, Muslims need to fly, and only a minority of Muslims are actually terrorists.

Socrates;
Dose the passport mean anything? Surly you can identify who is getting on a air plane. A Muslim could easily lie? What did Bush do?, HE HAD HARPER AND JOHN HOWARD Tell the people the biggest lie, on their speeches to convince their people Canadian and Australian the same exact speech, which turned out to be the biggest lie in the American political history.

Libertarians:
Segregation might be,
but culture, race, political views, religion, gender, age, social class, and more, will always play a huge role in how people treat you, regardless of social change.
Some of these you have no control over, but still. But who is getting exploited? Muslims? You think an offensive joke is worth killing someone over? Maybe I misunderstand you.

Socrates:
Who is getting exploited? Are you for real? Iraq lost its identity as a nation due to Bushes invasion, for the sole cause OIL, who got exploited? Man………………..

Libertarian;

I'm personally not a fan of any religion, because they all give people justifications for any type of wicked or bizzarre action, that they'd otherwise have no justification for.

Spiritualism is great, but organized religion is very dangerous, and that also has little place in the 21st century.

But then, who are we to decide what has place and what doesn't?[/quote]


Look, Muslims are not the only one’s who have killed in the name of their faith, take a good look in Ireland the Irish Republican Army what has been recorded there through the years on white man killing another white man.


"So who are we to decide what has place and what doesn’t"?


One thing I gather is that you lean toward the Republican philosophy, your choice, but reality dictates THAT BIGOTS LIKE HER , RUSH LIMBAUGH AND OTHER RIGHT WIN NUT BARS, ARE BAD FOR HUMAN UNITY, THEY ARE GREAT FOR EXPLOITATION IN ORDER TO INSURE SELF WORTH ON THE BACKS OF THE LES FORTUNATE.
 
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Again I beleager the point ...

Once you start down the role of censorship of speech especially speech on political opinion, religious ideology, or gender preference, you open Pandora's box if you
wish to remain a 'free thinking society'.

Becareful what you damn or edit ....it is best allowed in the open under protected expression no matter if you agree or not.

In denial, you also deny your own rights - things being equal - and would you want that for yourselves?

Primarily however I again am more concerned with what is being taught the next generation - what is being formed regarding how the young come to their own
beliefs:

By limiting dictatorial concept or free and creative thought made available by higher learning?
 

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In a democracy, I don't think so.
1, Canada is not a democracy. 2, Democracy without the rule of law, is unrestrained. Without law and restraint, there can be no freedom.

We decide collectively, directly through voting, and indirectly through our representatives enacting legislation defining who can enter and who cannot.
And the rule of law, via the SCoC, will strike down anything that is found to be contrary to the rule of law.

In that way, we decide collectively as a democratic people who can come in ad who cannot.
What you seem to be proposing here is mob rule. That's dangerous.

Whether Galloway can enter Canada or not should not be at the whim of the PMO, but rather in accordance to established legislation parliament has agreed to.
Which is exactly what happened. Galloway was turned back by a Border Services Agent, based on flags on Galloway. Not because the PMO or any other politician said to do so.

No you say Galloway has indeed violated Canadian laws. Fair enough. But if he's violated the law, then the right thing to do is not to tell him he can't come into the country, but rather to warn him that he have a warrant out for his arrest, even requesting that he come.
So by this logic, every refugee that has ever been turned back, because they have ties to a terrorist organization or have a criminal past, should be arrested, tried and imprisoned if found guilty?

Are you insane? Do you know what that would cost the tax payers?

Also, if indeed he has violated a Canadian law, seeing that the UK is supposedly an ally, we should formally request extradition.
Now you're just being ridiculous.

Either he's a criminal or he isn't.
Fortunately, our immigration laws are closer to that of civil law, not criminal. In so being, that the you need only prove the mere preponderance. He met the burned of proof, he was denied entry.

We can't have it both ways.
Thankfully, our laws dictate otherwise.

If he's not a criminal, then as long as he meets whatever established requirement to enter the country, we should let him in.
Absolutely correct. Unfortunately, he failed to meet the standard and was denied entry.

If he is a criminal, then we ought to prosecute. Which shall it be?
Again, ridiculous.

Or are some foreign nationals more equal than others in Canadian law?
Not at all. We turn back thousands of claimants annually due to suspect histories.

If that's the case, then let's legislate accordingly, making it clear that foreign government representatives are granted diplomatic immunity from Canada's counter-terrorism laws.
Why would we do such an ignorant thing?

Of course if that's the case, why was Saddam Hussain not exempt?
Now you're being just plainly absurd.

No matter how we cut it, we need to follow through with the same standard for all.
We do.

Our refusal to grant him entry is suspicious at best.
Only if you believe the hype, have no idea how our borders work and are clueless to immigration law.

the Muslim mind is aware that humanity is divided,
And it exploits it.

it has been for thousands of years when it comes to religion.
It's been thousands of years since Islam was peaceful.
Were ever there is division there is no communication, like you cut a wire electricity doesn’t go to the other cut part,
BS, there is a monumental divide between you and I, yet here we are communicating.

THE instrument used to cut that wire is Ann Coulter and many others like her, a ROOM full of these cutting instruments.
By your own definition, you are the instrument that cuts the wire between Conservative and Liberal.

So……. if you not understand this division, your example of humour will not work with the Muslim ethnicity.
Not true, just as ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, you can't put the onus on Coulter.

It is not that I don't like what she said, the students don't need a person like her who has very limited understanding of humanity and they showed their protest.
It is expressly that you don't like what she said, that you would silence her.

What, it is illegal for the students to protest her presence, and it is humours her making racist remarks?
Not at all. They actually gathered, protested without incident, made their collective voices heard, and in the process left a black mark on the University.

Come on , what is this world have come too?
According to you, a fascist state where dissenting voices are silenced through intimidation and veiled threat.
Ann Coulter is a rightwing nut bar that espouses to Elitist thinking and that is a load of crap.
Agreed.

Typical Elitism I have more rights because I am not a minority in my country. That simply confirms that in Conservetivisem "equality" is not an important word.
This statement, given your expressed views on free speech, is hypocritical at best. Nonsensical at worst.

Her crew new that if she was going to go through with her stupid racist dribble she would have been tomatoed or pied, good call on their part. I called here names and I am sure the students called here worse. Nothing dangerous about me. I love all people until such time one will try to cause harm.:smile:
Yet you condone and advocate violence and threat of violence as a means of silencing dissension.

How interesting.

What? What? What?
Well, well, well.

No u r, you are telling here that the students don’t have the right to protest when in fact her racial venom if OFFENSIVE.
No he is not. He is stating that the students, though free to express their views through peaceful protest, chose to be threatening and aggressive. That is not conducive to free expression, free speech and the spirit of our country.

when YOU UNDERSTAND THAT we can go further into the discussion.
No one here is arguing that her commentary is or is not offensive.


Cupish...............The students realised that their learning of human understanding was compromised by a racist like her, and they wanted nothing to do with her, she is not a divine energy to help lift the intellect of the young, she is one telling the world to hate one another because she does.
So? Meet her with reasoned, rational rebuttals, not throngs of seething children.

Human emotions are hard to control when race denigration fuels the fire.
Which is why the sane elevate themselves beyond emotion.

The one and only protest would have been to have all students unite at the last minute and do not show up as an audience, which will give her the massage that she is irrelevant and they are not interested, Unfortunately the unity part did not take place and the protest got started.
That mob seemed pretty united to me.

The argument is why she should not be allowed to speak, and given that she is extremely controversial the student attitude won over her.
I understand how pleased that must make you feel. Seeing as you do not support liberalism in any way.



So lets say you are a Muslim, I call you a bunch of bad insulting names denigrate your human dignity and ethnic roots in order to sell my book, how is that fair?
I'm Native, I have been inundated with racial slurs my whole life. I meet them with reasoned rebuttal, not my fist and certainly not by silencing the person uttering them.

I thought on the 21st century we are past the days where blacks would not be allowed to ride with white folks on the bus or air planes.:lol:
It's the 21st century, I thought that the days of McCarthyism were over. But here you are.

Most these "students" are braindead morons who are what Stalin would call "useful idiots". If I ever become a communist or a fascist dictator, I will without a doubt, start recruiting first thing at the universities.
Wise move.

These people really are an embarrassment. What is worse, they represent our intellectual future...
Agreed.

man you need help.8O
Is that because he refuses to support censorship, violence and fascism?
 
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Why is it that those that spew out stupidities with nothing constructive to say are always the one crying about Freespeech?
The ones that really have something to say don't bother , they say it till someone shuts them up .
 
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Again I beleager the point ...

Once you start down the role of censorship of speech especially speech on political opinion, religious ideology, or gender preference, you open Pandora's box if you
wish to remain a 'free thinking society'.

Becareful what you damn or edit ....it is best allowed in the open under protected expression no matter if you agree or not.

In denial, you also deny your own rights - things being equal - and would you want that for yourselves?

Primarily however I again am more concerned with what is being taught the next generation - what is being formed regarding how the young come to their own
beliefs:

By limiting dictatorial concept or free and creative thought made available by higher learning?

Yep, I think she's a bit of a "tempest in a teapot"- I'm sure listening to her for 1/2 an hour wouldn't do me any permanent harm- who knows she might even say something I agree with, but if she doesn't she's probably good for a laugh. I've listened to a lot of "left wing" idiocy here for awhile so may be time to hear some "right wing" idiocy- helps you keep a better perspective......................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Why is it that those that spew out stupidities with nothing constructive to say are always the one crying about Freespeech?
The ones that really have something to say don't bother , they say it till someone shuts them up .
Because...

A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something.

We all fall into the latter, myself included, from time to time. It's a privilege of being human.

Unfortunately some people abuse the privilege.
 
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Yep, I think she's a bit of a "tempest in a teapot"- I'm sure listening to her for 1/2 an hour wouldn't do me any permanent harm- who knows she might even say something I agree with, but if she doesn't she's probably good for a laugh. I've listened to a lot of "left wing" idiocy here for awhile so may be time to hear some "right wing" idiocy- helps you keep a better perspective......................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
I listened to her a few times.

You aren't missing much in the way of intellect to be sure, but she does say some funny shyte.
 

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Remember that it was in Ottawa, at Carleton University, that the students banned the Shinerama last year to raise money for MS reasearch, because somebody believed that the disease "has been recently revealed to only affect white people, and primarily men" — something experts say is untrue.

Doesn't say much for either university, quite frankly.
 

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Coulter is rarely heard giving a live speech to an audience - she is primarily heard being interviewed on a broadcast of radio or television where the questions
are thought up by others and she answers - either with humor, sarcasm, or insult. She gives special speeches geared to those who agree with her ideology but I think there is more to the woman were the "oppositional" questions to be posited.


She rarely changes her pattern of reparte and if the University group thought they were going to get a different prototype than the one they may have never heard other than the one-line responses - they forget she is a human with opinions - that is why she was invited. Too bad we will never know what could have been.

What was missed - whether Coulter is right or wrong is an audience's ability to judge her in person for themselves, not being 'told' what the woman is like and what she stands for.

They would have an opportunity at the end of her delivery (usual protocol) to Q&A and they might have been able to key into something with which they could use in their own life, or confirm she is an ass, or one who tends to question much of what people rarely think about and accept.....

We will never know...their minds were made up for them and they were robbed of
a learning lesson in how to hear and weigh and balance and request clarification..
all of those things which precede a confirmation or denial or our core belief.

Coulter's opinions are fleeting and current, and I hope the university will try again to find someone who may be controversial, but who will be allowed to speak and
answer questions from the students.
 

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How about maybe the ones who protested vehemently against here intellect did not buy tickets, due to their disrespect for her racial discrimination, should that stop these students from protest, when in fact they had better things to do with their money instead of listening to a total self centered bigot.

Why are you dealing with maybe's? Who set up these speaking engagements?
 

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Quoting best-selling author, Bar Sinister:

"You really have to consider the source when discussing Anne Coulter. He words and writings reveal her to be vain, shallow, ignorant, and completely selfish. No one need pay her uniformed comments the least attention."

Truly, a flea challenging a cougar.
 

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This is the same cow who said we should be thankful that the U.S. allows Canada to share the continent. I don't know why anyone should be surprised that she gets a negative reaction from most of Canada.
 

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Juan

I agree - I still don't "get" why she was invited and accepted the speaking engagements? She is getting negative publicity but is that what she needs?
I don't understand her. Here is her take from her website....Hardly a good
testimony to her making a repeat visit lol.

Welcome to AnnCoulter.com
Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes, threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given, and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because that one was on my "bucket list").

Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown shirts.

Welcome to Canada!

The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws regarding hate speech.

This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I might do in the future.

Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me, "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."

I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."

While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for "Frank A. Hole").

What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land of the Bed-Wetters.")

How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?

Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois' rage?

How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate crime?

I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal prosecution.

Both writer Mark Steyn and editor Ezra Levant have been investigated by the Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred toward Muslims.

Levant's alleged crime was to reprint the cartoons of Mohammed originally published in a Danish newspaper, leading practitioners of the Religion of Peace to engage in murderous violence across the globe. Steyn's alleged crime was to publish an excerpt of his book, "America Alone" in Maclean's magazine, in which he jauntily described Muslims as "hot for jihad."

Both of them also flew jet airliners full of passengers into skyscrapers in lower Manhattan, resulting in thousands of deaths. No, wait -- that was somebody else.

Curiously, however, there was no evidence that either the cartoons or the column did, in fact, incite hatred toward Muslims -- nor was there the remotest possibility that they would.

By contrast, conservative speakers are regularly subjected to violent attacks on college campuses. Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and I have all been the targets of infamous campus attacks.

That's why the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute (a sponsor of my Canada speeches) and the Young America's Foundation (a sponsor of many of my college speeches) don't send conservatives to college campuses without a bodyguard.

You'd have to be a real A-Houle not to anticipate that accusing a conservative of "promoting hatred" prior to her arrival on a college campus would in actuality -- not in liberal fantasies of terrified Muslims cowering in terror of Mark Steyn readers -- incite real-world violence toward the conservative.

The university itself acknowledged that Francois' letter was likely to provoke violence against me by demanding -- long after my speech was scheduled, but immediately after Francois disseminated his letter -- that my sponsors pony up more than $1,200 for extra security.

Also following Francois' letter, the Ottawa University Student Federation met for 7 1/2 hours to hammer out a series of resolutions denouncing me. The resolutions included:

"Whereas Ann Coulter is a hateful woman;

"Whereas she has made hateful comments against GLBTQ, Muslims, Jews and women;

"Whereas she violates an unwritten code of 'positive-space';

"Be it resolved that the SFUO express its disapproval of having Ann Coulter speak at the University of Ottawa."

At least the students didn't waste 7 1/2 hours on something silly, like their studies.

At the risk of violating anyone's positive space, what happened to Canada? How did the country that gave us Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, Martin Short, Dan Aykroyd and Catherine O'Hara suddenly become a bunch of whining crybabies?

Want to hear my favorite Canadian joke? OK, here goes: Francois Houle! I never get tired of that one.

After Tuesday night, the hatred incited by Francois' letter is no longer theoretical. The police called off my speech when the auditorium was surrounded by thousands of rioting liberals -- screaming, blocking the entrance, throwing tables, demanding that my books be burned, and finally setting off the fire alarm.

Sadly, I missed the book burning because I never made it to the building.

But, reportedly, a Canadian crowd hasn't been this excited since they opened a new Tim Hortons. Local reporters couldn't make out what the crowd was chanting, but it was something about "Molson" and a "sled dog."

I've given more than 100 college speeches, and not once has one of my speeches been shut down at any point. Even the pie-throwing incident at the University of Arizona didn't break up the event. I said "Get them!", the college Republicans got them, and then I continued with my rambling, hate-filled diatribe -- I mean, my speech.

So we've run this experiment more than 100 times.

Only one college speech was ever met with so much mob violence that the police were forced to cancel it: The one that was preceded by a letter from the university provost accusing me of hate speech.

(To add insult to injury, Francois didn't even plan to attend my speech because Tuesday is his bikini wax night.)

If a university official's letter accusing a speaker of having a proclivity to commit speech crimes before she's given the speech -- which then leads to Facebook postings demanding that Ann Coulter be hurt, a massive riot and a police-ordered cancellation of the speech -- is not hate speech, then there is no such thing as hate speech.

Either Francois goes to jail or the Human Rights Commission is a hoax and a fraud

The publicity could not be purchased - maybe she wanted it that way - I still don't get it.