Why Both Immigration AND Big Stimulus Spending?
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But the market, the magical market does not produce the ideal jobs that people want. When you're unemployed, any job is supposed to be considered good. To be so choosy, and then drive up the debt, seems like poor policy. We are still paying debt from Trudeau from the 1970s and 80s. Now we have another recession, more debt, with no plausible forecast when it will start going down again.
If you have a car or two and a home, will going to a minimum wage job cover your expenses? Would 2 jobs? I don't think so. This recession was a controlled demolition. It was manufactured to get people to accept less wages. The rich get richer even in an economic down turn. That is because they control the market. They just let you think you count but you can bet that all those who lost money were intentionally fleeced.
Fact is, we will be paying billions in extra taxes to create jobs when the country already has jobs going begging. That seems like a real conspiracy to me. These temporary stimulus jobs will end but the low paying jobs will still be around and high immigration levels will remain. No one has adequately answered that yet.
And it is no conspiracy that our taxes will rise to pay for the new debt for some 7500 stimulus projects.
4,000 stimulus projects under way, PM says - thestar.com
4,000 stimulus projects under way, PM says
Published On Mon Sep 28 2009
Les Whittington, Bruce Campion-Smith, Ottawa Bureau
OTTAWA – Prime Minister Stephen Harper says that more than half of the 7,500 infrastructure projects financed out of the government's economic stimulus plan are under way. (etc...)
Really? Then why did American banks need a bailout? Or don't American banks do that?
How much debt can we accumulate? You may be leaning to the right (I think), but here you are talking like a liberal. Conservatives as a rule are not bothered by the deficit and the debt.
But you are right, something will have to be done about the debt and the deficit. Unfortunately, I don't see Harper doing anything to curb deficit spending. The finance minister, Flaherty, ran up huge debt and huge deficit when he was Finance Minister in Ontario, in Harris cabinet. I don't see why he would do anything different in Ottawa.
In the old days, not avoiding debt was just what everyone did. Debt for cars and houses is unavoidable now. But for govts to spend heavily on jobs that we may not need does not seem wise.
That may well be correct, but I suspect it is not if the children of immigrants are considered. However, Canada, with a replacement rate of 1.4 per woman does not really have much choice unless you want to see Canada's population decline.
This population decline business is supposed to scare everyone. Evryone lives in cities and Vancouver for example is getting very crowded. Even on Saturdays the traffic is rush hour. Did anyone notice that most of Canada is barren? We get a large amount of our food from California?
As for pensions, people are working a lot longer than they used to. Work for millions is much easier than it was 50 years ago. People are healthier too. Just so many scare tactics the media love to report. Weird.
I'm sure some immigrants take jobs Canadians don't want, but most of the immigrants I know are highly educated and work in the IT industry. The Canadian government didn't pay for their education. India and Pakistan did. These people come here ready to work, are immediately highly productive and start paying taxes. They create wealth and jobs. They contribute to Canada.
The average Indian or Pakistani can't afford to come to Canada and don't qualify anyway. Canada's immigration policy tends to siphon off the best and brightest from these countries. Good for Canada, too bad for India and Pakistan.
Another immigrant I know came to Canada from Vietnam in the late 1970's as a boat person. He had nothing but his skill as a chef. For 10 years he worked as a short order cook flipping hamburgers and deep frying french fries. But he saved his pennies and opened his own restaurant which was a success. Then he opened a bigger restaurant and it was a bigger success. Now he is the CEO of his town's Chamber of commerce and a successful entrepaneur. In 30 years he went from nothing to something. He volunteers his time for the community and contributes to charities. Lot of Canadians had nothing 30 years ago and today they still have nothing.
When I hear unemployed people on welfare complain about immigrants taking their jobs, I'm disgusted. Unless you are sick or infirm, get off your ass and get a job. Lots of work exists here in Canada and the difference between most immigrants and most Canadian welfare recipients is attitude.
I fully support Canada's immigration policies which attract the best and brightest from the rest of the world. These people are no burden and make Canada wealthier and more prosperous.
The average Indian or Pakistani can't afford to come to Canada and don't qualify anyway. Canada's immigration policy tends to siphon off the best and brightest from these countries. Good for Canada, too bad for India and Pakistan.
Another immigrant I know came to Canada from Vietnam in the late 1970's as a boat person. He had nothing but his skill as a chef. For 10 years he worked as a short order cook flipping hamburgers and deep frying french fries. But he saved his pennies and opened his own restaurant which was a success. Then he opened a bigger restaurant and it was a bigger success. Now he is the CEO of his town's Chamber of commerce and a successful entrepaneur. In 30 years he went from nothing to something. He volunteers his time for the community and contributes to charities. Lot of Canadians had nothing 30 years ago and today they still have nothing.
When I hear unemployed people on welfare complain about immigrants taking their jobs, I'm disgusted. Unless you are sick or infirm, get off your ass and get a job. Lots of work exists here in Canada and the difference between most immigrants and most Canadian welfare recipients is attitude.
I fully support Canada's immigration policies which attract the best and brightest from the rest of the world. These people are no burden and make Canada wealthier and more prosperous.
And I think we need Asian immigrants because us Westerners ain't gonna make sushi or good Chinese food, no matter what the incentives. But is there a shortage of IT people in Canada? Not really. It's better to steal the best and brightest from developing nations and reap the benefits.
The govt has to prod the unemployed to work by not extending EI benefits which increase taxes for the rest of us. We are so kind.
How many people in Atlantic Canada-white people here largely-abuse the system because they can? Lots. How many Indians also abuse EI because they can? Lots. We have institutionalized corruption. We're not like Mexico, not at all, we're much better of course.
Ask any businessman what he thinks about his customer base getting smaller and you will understand.
So, what about this global economy they keep talking about? Canadian business has the mantra these days they are "global." So why can't they get customers from around the globe to make up for this future debateable deficiency? A smaller population in one country should not necessarily less businesses in another.
How come the magic of the market (being global) doesn't seem capable of handling this problem? There is no problem here with a falling population. In the nicest place in the world, a falling population simply will not happen.
The largest market for any nation is always the domestic market. Canada is unusual in that 40% of its GNP depends on exports, however, that still leaves 60% of its GNP depending on Canadians.
And before the recession over 60% of those exports went to the USA. Not very "global." Cdn biz is very domestic, it doesn't venture far. The falling population is a scare tactic as far as I'm concerned. Right now in many small towns, the population is falling.
Cdn biz says its global getting immigrants, Yet its not global raising the minimum wage. This would upset the immigration regime and this is taboo in the country, although this form of self-imposed censorship could be ending.
You all have it wrong! I have been doing research for a few years and canada takes more educated immgrants to fill jobs on visa than the total amount of graduates all across canada in each program (for ex.........computer science, engineering!). This is aside from the 250,000 regular immgrants who come. As for taking jobs canadians do not want, this is also a lie. I grew up in NB and some local fish plants in the smaller towns where unemployment is high have been sending in mexican immigrants for minimum wage for years when local people cant find jobs at all (one is a friend of mine). They make up excuses the jobs cannot be filled when in fact they can. Alot of students in NB for example pick blueberries to raise money in the summer towards their education.
I never had a job more than 4 years in canada and I have done mainly admin work. I am out of work yet again in ontario now- all I landed was a 3 month job in the hospital then people stoled money in e-health so we lost our jobs. I know personally of many people who are canadian who never had a full-time job and they are in their 30s and very good hardworking people. I took one of these people to alberta and got him a 35 an hour job at a local mill with no contacts and got my self 3 jobs.
I never had a job more than 4 years in canada and I have done mainly admin work. I am out of work yet again in ontario now- all I landed was a 3 month job in the hospital then people stoled money in e-health so we lost our jobs. I know personally of many people who are canadian who never had a full-time job and they are in their 30s and very good hardworking people. I took one of these people to alberta and got him a 35 an hour job at a local mill with no contacts and got my self 3 jobs.
Oh I sent 500 resumes in over a year and have worked on and off since age 15, I am now 45. Employers hire: young people, disabled people, immigrants, french people, then the white women over 40 are considered last because we have the most experience and want the highest rate of pay due to our years of experience and attention to customer service!!
Immigrants hire immigrants
Whites hire immigrants
Whites hire young people
= White over 40 who are highly skilled in our country cannot even get hired = wages being cut in half thanks to globalization = womens rights decreasing every day = pi ssed off real canadians like me and my husband!!!!!
Whites hire immigrants
Whites hire young people
= White over 40 who are highly skilled in our country cannot even get hired = wages being cut in half thanks to globalization = womens rights decreasing every day = pi ssed off real canadians like me and my husband!!!!!