Whales, seals, and oxen: what's the difference?

[AnnaG]

So Anna G, I take it that what you're saying is that we should be allowed to sell only meat we farm, with hunting being reserved for personal sufficiency only?

If so, then commercial fishing's out.

We should only take what we need, yes. Why should the Japanese be able to kill the world's Bluefin off because it's a delicacy over there while watching Africans die of starvation?
Europeans damned near made bison extinct just for the pleasure.
It's straight out greed.

 

[lone wolf]

So then isn't it hypocritical of a politician to introduce a law banning sealing as opposed to a more general law banning the commercial sale of any non-farmed meat, with hunting and fishing being reserved for self and family and friends? Isn't that a sign of Bambi politics?

And yes, I would be in favour of a more general law banning the sale of any kind of non-farmed meat. However, I can't find myself supporting a ban on the sale of seal specifically, as it seems to opportunistic, a sign of Bambi politics.

It already is illegal to sell non-inspected and game meats in Ontario.

 

[AnnaG]

You don't need pods because they are not searching for food.

huh?

The big tanks will be on farmers land and they will be raised for food

Who the hell wants to eat a tank, big or small?

 

[Liberalman]

Big tanks? Land? That creates a lot of overhead. Fence the ocean

The land is already there as for the overhead once the system is in place your just talking about maintenance costs and as for fence the ocean the problem is predators and animal rights people releasing your entire stock into the ocean.

On farmland the animal rights people would have a hard time moving the whales to the oceans.

 

[YukonJack]

It seems to me that we are just a few posts away from some vegan bragging about how superior they are to those of us who are normal.

I said it before on other threads that no matter what you eat, if you have no power or ability of PHOTOSYNTHESEIS, you must kill something to be alive.

BTW, is there a market for seal meat?

 

[AnnaG]

So then isn't it hypocritical of a politician to introduce a law banning sealing as opposed to a more general law banning the commercial sale of any non-farmed meat, with hunting and fishing being reserved for self and family and friends? Isn't that a sign of Bambi politics?

It's what Canada does on land game. There are quotas.

And yes, I would be in favour of a more general law banning the sale of any kind of non-farmed meat. However, I can't find myself supporting a ban on the sale of seal specifically, as it seems to opportunistic, a sign of Bambi politics.

Well, last I heard there was no particular shortage of seal, so .....
We should only take what we need, what is sustainable, and leave it at that. Taking more causes problems.

 

[Liberalman]

huh?

Who the hell wants to eat a tank, big or small?

You are eating what is grown in the tank.

 

[lone wolf]

The land is already there as for the overhead once the system is in place your just talking about maintenance costs and as for fence the ocean the problem is predators and animal rights people releasing your entire stock into the ocean.

On farmland the animal rights people would have a hard time moving the whales to the oceans.

The land is already there ... for air breathers. Do you really think tree-huggers would care if the whale couldn't walk? Most of them have one-track reactionary minds anyhow.

 

[Liberalman]

It seems to me that we are just a few posts away from some vegan bragging about how superior they are to those of us who are normal.

I said it before on other threads that no matter what you eat, if you have no power or ability of PHOTOSYNTHESEIS, you must kill something to be alive.

BTW, is there a market for seal meat?

There is a market for seal meat

 

[Machjo]

We should only take what we need, yes. Why should the Japanese be able to kill the world's Bluefin off because it's a delicacy over there while watching Africans die of starvation?
Europeans damned near made bison extinct just for the pleasure.
It's straight out greed.

Yes, now this is the kind of thing I'm getting at. I'll often find myself opposing a politician who wants to pass a law on one specific thing to win brownie points rather than passing a more general law that is consistent with the philosophy supposedly behind the law.

For example, if a politician introduces a bill to ban commercial whaling or sealing because we need to protect their populations, I'd tend to oppose it as opportunistic. After all, if that politician were sincere, he'd be hitting at the root of the matter by introducing a law to ban the commercial sale of all non-farmed meat. That way, we won't need to pass another law for another Bambi animal every few years. Essentially, when a law deals only with the superficial, it's clear the politician is not introducing the bill on principle, but rather to win brownie points.

If we're going to introduce such a bill, then make it apply to all animals equally. In other words, wild oxen would not be for sale, while farmed seal would be. That would follow the principle much more consistently and would avoid the opportunism that comes with selecting your animal.

Personally, though I'd likely vote in favour of banning the sale of all meat not farmed, I'd vote in opposition in the banning of the sale of a particular animal.

 

[Tonington]

We all want bans on the seal hunt and whaling, yet we see nothing wrong with eating beef.


Am I the ony one who sees a double-standard here or is there something I'm missing?

You're missing part of it. We're not all against the seal hunt.

 

[Machjo]

It's what Canada does on land game. There are quotas./QUOTE]

Then if quotas are good enough for land game, then why are quotas not good enough for seals and whales, and fish etc.?

 

[Machjo]

You're missing part of it. We're not all against the seal hunt.

You're right. I was generalizing?

 

[AnnaG]

The land is already there as for the overhead once the system is in place your just talking about maintenance costs and as for fence the ocean the problem is predators and animal rights people releasing your entire stock into the ocean.

On farmland the animal rights people would have a hard time moving the whales to the oceans.

So capture some whales and put them in tanks inland. You should have enough meat for you family for quite a while. Good luck with water filters, keeping the right saline content in the tanks, vet bills to keep the animals healthy, etc.
Perhaps you like eggs from chickens penned up in a cubic foot of cage its entire life but I like the eggs from my free range chickens. Same goes for fish: I much prefer pink and sockeye salmon to that farmed crap.
IOW, you wanna eat mushy, bland junk, you go right ahead.

 

[AnnaG]

You are eating what is grown in the tank.

You go right ahead, I'll pass.

 

[Machjo]

Another question:

If I started a dog farm, would that be acceptable?

 

[AnnaG]

It's what Canada does on land game. There are quotas./QUOTE]

Then if quotas are good enough for land game, then why are quotas not good enough for seals and whales, and fish etc.?

Quotas on those others are fine. If humans had decided on quotas and stuck to them, cod stocks, bison, and other wild populations would be doing just fine.

 

[Machjo]

Another question:

If I started a dog farm, would that be acceptable?

It would be farmed, dogs aren't in danger of extinction, and the slaughter of the dogs could be done in accordance with the government's most stringent laws with regards to the treatment of farm animals, right?

 

[Liberalman]

Yummy Norwegian Whale Meat Recipes

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  Whale Steak
  
  
  4 portions
  4 slices of whalemeat @ 150 - 180 g
  Salt and pepper, preferably freshly ground
  4 onion rings
  2 dessert spoonfulls of finely diced green or red peppers
  1 dessert spoonful of finely diced parsley
  1 dessert spoonful of finely diced gherkins
  
  Carve the meat into slices of about 1.5 to 2 cm thick, beat them with your hands and press them into shape. Preheat the frying pan and melt some butter in it. Brown the butter before adding the meat. Fry the steaks on both sides. Whale meat should be fried for about 4-5 minutes on each side. The steaks taste best when they are medium rare, but they should be warmed right through and not eaten raw. Serve the steaks on a plate, place an onion ring on each of them and fill it with peppers, parsley and gherkins. Potato scollops taste good together with the steaks. Serve with a bowl of good, crisp lettuce and salad.
  
  
  
  Joint of Whale Meat Steeped in Red Wine Marinade
  
  
  6-8 portions:
  1 1/4 kilos of whale meat
  3 dl red wine
  1 dl vegetable oil
  3 ground cloves
  1/2 teaspoonful of coarsly ground pepper
  2 teaspoonfuls of salt
  
  The Marinade
  3/4 litres of juices from the meat Thickening (milk and flour) 4 dessert spoonfuls of sour cream (20% rømme) Sugar colouring Salt It may be a good idea to bind the joint to help it keep in good shape. Place it in a small oven dish and pour the marinade over. Leave the joint there until the next day, turning it at regular intervals. Remove the joint from the dish, dry it well and rub it with salt. Cook the joint until it turns a pleasant brown colour all over, turn down the heat and add water to reach 2-3 cm up the side of the joint, approx. 3/4 litre. Let the joint simmer for about 20 minutes, turn it over and leave it for another 20 minutes. Measure enough of the juices to make enough marinade, about 3/4 litre. Add the thickening to the marinade, and then the sour cream to taste. Serve with boiled beans or other vegetables, and potatoes - boiled or fried in the pan.

 

[Machjo]

Quotas on those others are fine. If humans had decided on quotas and stuck to them, cod stocks, bison, and other wild populations would be doing just fine.

Now that I like. At least you'r consistent and not picking out animal X, Y, or Z, but simply sticking to a basic universally applicable principle, Why can't politicians be more like you.

It's not even an issue of whether I agree with your proposal or not, but simply that you're able to apply whatever principle to believe it universally rather than picking and choosing.

right now it seems we have politicians proposing different standards for different animals, wanting a separate law for each animal.

What is is? Lawyers are trying to boost the legal industry to get out of recession and figure the more complicate the laws, the more jobs it will create?