If you fart in the wind, you don't smell it. It is like it never happened, except for the poor bugger down wind. You don't have to take responsibility for ruining someone else's moment. Wouldn't look too good in the eyes of the big G if he happened to be paying attention to you at that moment.
The embarrassment of the apostle
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I see you are admiring the Baha'i and Bahá'u'lláh, so why don't you yourself become a Baha'i ? And you see it "closer to the original Islam than Islam is today", so what is the "original Islam"?
So tell me what is their evidence to their prophet?
Where does it go if you are wearing scuba gear? I have known some that would stop an elevator. Downwinders are never shy about talking about what is happening in their world, against their will. It might cause Him to ponder about what else you can 'give birth ' to. BTW it was your thought that a fart would offend Him that would give Him the pause rather than it being the actual fart. Some will probably even feel fear when that meeting actually takes place.
If you helps you through the day go for it, but not so hard that you do a #2 in your pants, you better be wearing pants or you get another label.
Hi,
I believe in Jesus Christ as a prophet and apostle of God Most Gracious: the Creator, and that Jesus was born miraculously without father when his mother Mary was virgin.
And that Jesus is the son of man, just like we are sons of man; and that Jesus was not son of God: glory be to God the Eternal the Most High.
Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel because they associated their religious leaders and priests with God Almighty, and they adopted the exterior of the religion and left the essence of the Commandments.
Therefore, Jesus was not son of God, neither God Himself nor any part of God in three or more or less; but he was a righteous servant brought close to God Most Gracious.
He lived his life like other people, then God saved him from the plight of Jews, and he was not crucified, but Pilate released him after becoming certain (together with Herodus) that Jesus was not worthy of any killing or crucification. Then he hid himself from Jews to die at his death hour and his body was buried while his soul went up to heavens in the neighborhood of God.
Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel because they associated their religious leaders and priests with God Almighty, and they adopted the exterior of the religion and left the essence of the Commandments.
Therefore, Jesus was not son of God, neither God Himself nor any part of God in three or more or less; but he was a righteous servant brought close to God Most Gracious.
He lived his life like other people, then God saved him from the plight of Jews, and he was not crucified, but Pilate released him after becoming certain (together with Herodus) that Jesus was not worthy of any killing or crucification. Then he hid himself from Jews to die at his death hour and his body was buried while his soul went up to heavens in the neighborhood of God.
The Quran gives the story of the ancient prophets of the Children of Israel in the correct way, and although it is repeated many times, but the total will give the complete story; because the Quran is not for history but essentially for admonition, so that the reader will face such stories every now and then at many occasions.
Moreover, it gives things that even the Gospel and the acts ...etc do not mention: like the story of the believers who slept in the cave and were Christians persecuted by Jews, and many other relatings that were not mentioned in the Gospel.
In addition to the portents of Doomsday that such details are not mentioned in any other book, plus the description of Paradise and Hell and the discourse of people of Paradise and Hell.
Moreover it includes the law in a correct way without the missing and additions in the Torah and the Gospel.
And the Quran stands midway between the strict obligation and wrong ways of the present Jews on one hand and on the other hand the non obligation of Christians.
It is not for purpose of not looking to the face of God Whom cannot be seen by anyone; but for the purpose of direction of prayer only; and I may come to this point later on.
As far as religions go, the Baha'i faith is a gentle, tolerant and peaceful as any I have seen. But I have my own connection to my creator so I don't need religion. When I see all the war, death, wounded and raped in the name of the war god of the Torah, Bible and Koran, I know that I want nothing to do with those religions or their god. He is a psychopathic narcissist and a mental construct of some very primitive lunatics. But you go ahead and believe that nonsense all you want. As long as you feel the necessity to come on here and post your beliefs, I will feel a need to expose your god as a fraud.
I know very well that you are an enemy of God, and your words are as smooth as the venomous snake.
Third:
· The apostle will be sad and feel sorry for his people that they do not respond and do not believe in God alone and in his book revealed from God Most Gracious.
Because he knows that anyone who does not believe in God alone and in the apostle Mohammed, and the other apostles, will lose in the afterlife.
· The apostle will be sad and feel sorry for his people that they do not respond and do not believe in God alone and in his book revealed from God Most Gracious.
Because he knows that anyone who does not believe in God alone and in the apostle Mohammed, and the other apostles, will lose in the afterlife.
(Yet perchance, if they believe not in this tiding, you [Mohammed] will fret yourself to death of grief, following after their monuments.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 18: 6
فَلَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ عَلَى آثَارِهِمْ إِن لَّمْ يُؤْمِنُوا بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ أَسَفًا
· Moreover, the apostle will feel deep sadness and sorrow about his people when he sees them disbelievers and keep up on their disbelief.
(It may be you [Mohammed] will kill yourself with grief, that they do not become believers.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 26: 3
لَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ
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Another kind of grief for his people:
(Is he [the disbeliever] then, whose bad work is made fair-seeming to him, so that he sees it good, [equal to one that is upright?]
For God misguides whom He wills and guides aright whom He pleases.
Therefore, fret not yourself [Mohammed] in grief concerning them [because they do not believe];
God is All-Knowing of what [transgression and wrong] they do [to the poor and the weak.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 35: 8
(Is he [the disbeliever] then, whose bad work is made fair-seeming to him, so that he sees it good, [equal to one that is upright?]
For God misguides whom He wills and guides aright whom He pleases.
Therefore, fret not yourself [Mohammed] in grief concerning them [because they do not believe];
God is All-Knowing of what [transgression and wrong] they do [to the poor and the weak.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 35: 8
أَفَمَن زُيِّنَ لَهُ سُوءُ عَمَلِهِ فَرَآهُ حَسَنًا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يُضِلُّ مَن يَشَاء وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء فَلَا تَذْهَبْ نَفْسُكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَسَرَاتٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ بِمَا يَصْنَعُونَ
Hi,
It isn't used as a stand-alone book, It does have the timetable and the sequence of events for some events. The details and such are in other books of the Bible. The whole endtime can be mapped out just using quotes from Jesus.
The Church has added a lot of 'mystery' that was never intended to be here. If a person read nothing but the letters to the Churches it would not be impossible for all the people in the world to be listed. As long as you have heard of God you have a relationship with Him. Nothing wrong with that. But just as making our own covenant with death will be annulled by God so will our relationship will God be moulded into being the way He wants it (stated in prophecy). Say in the world there were 7 religions and in the Christian religion there were 10 denominations, all of those would have slightly different views on how to have a relationship with God. Nothing wrong with that except it doesn't bind God to change things if they do not mesh with what He has said. The 7 letters explain the parameters God used when establishing His relationship with us. If this point is important I don't mind exploring it further. Scripture outside Revelation can establish that Christ come to judge the living and the dead, if He finds you have a positive relationship according to the letters then you are given rewards when He arrives, if not then you receive punishments there is only one set of rules for God. We impose many rules and some of them are quite 'odd' IMO.
If the topic was not end-time related there would be no need to reference it, it would be silly to not reference it extensively when the topic is end time related.
Two verses from Revelation that support what it said in chapter 1 about the 7 letters covering everybody.
Re:7:9:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
Re:19:5:
And a voice came out of the throne,
saying,
Praise our God,
all ye his servants,
and ye that fear him,
both small and great.
Re:19:6:
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,
and as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
saying,
Alleluia:
for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Words that confirm the above are not few in number, this is only one but it would not seem to leave anybody out because mankind is divided into wheat and tares, one group will stay alive and the other will not.
M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;
M't:24:31:
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
To understand the beasts of Revelation you have to separate the passages into 3 piles, one for Satan, one for the Beast from the Pit and one for the False Prophet. Once that is done you do the same for the verses from Daniel that cover the last kingdom before Christ's return and you divide them into the 3 piles you have. In Daniel that would be the iron/clay part of the statue (also mentioned in a few other chapters, 8 & 11), the 4th beast of ch:7 is also about the last time so it also has to be added to the piles. Then you can begin to piece it together, if you don't have all that there will be gaps or blanks or plane misdirection, all of which will muddy the picture. It isn't easy but you only have to do it once.
Dismissing the words of a writer that is being carries around Heaven by Christ is not a good idea at any time, let alone in a book that tell us where we will be when that unfolds. Mankind is in that giant city, 1500 miles per each of the 4 sides, when it descends from Heaven to the New Earth.
I'm not trying to say God is judging us at this time, those letters are only valid during the last 3 1/2 years. In the meantime ....
Ph'p:2:9:
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,
and given him a name which is above every name:
Ph'p:2:10:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of things in heaven,
and things in earth,
and things under the earth;
Ph'p:2:11:
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Ph'p:2:12:
Wherefore,
my beloved,
as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
It is the understanding of the NT that is broken, the Verses are perfectly intact in describing the pig and little pictures of coming events.
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Same kind of evidence you claim for your prophet, a bunch of texts he authored, many of them written while he was imprisoned for over two decades by the followers of your prophet, essentially for heresy. And in Bahá'u'lláh's case, it's historically proven that he wrote them personally, he wasn't taking dictation from angels for others to record. Also, Bahá'u'lláh's life, being about 12 centuries more recent than Mohamed's, is much better documented. The case for his being a prophet is at least as good as yours for Mohamed. He also appears to have been a much nicer person, with a much kinder and more forgiving view of what god expects of us.
all the war,death and the other brutal things in the name of Torah , Bible and Koran are executed by human beings who exploit the doctrins for their profits and they make people think that is the Truth of any religion, i see your riot is not against religions but against those kind of people .
you do the thing which you shouldn't- care about bastards' actions and being far away any sensible doctrins just because of them...they succeed in making us feel angry and enemy to any values just making mess, they don't deserve to be taken seriously.
i think as you do but i prefer to separate the blood suckers from what they seem to be connected to . I hate osame bin laden who is manipulated and seems to be the leader of Islam world, his any actions in the name of Islam but i give importance to Koran ,Islam and nobody can change my ideas about it.
What is this between Brothers, a terse exchange?
My Children,
The Books are provided for your guidance.
Bhudda, for your personal journey into the World of Man.
The Bible, for how to organize yourselves into a sustainable world.
The Koran, the warning....And to inject the Spirit of Patriotism in a people who needed it.... But Patriotism isn't a weapon....In this world Words are Weapons right now. That will ease off....But the Families have forgotten their first duty is to their country and have gone galivanting....Now to be Christian in this cas would be to forgive and reflect on what has been learned....
Why wouldn't you have written all three? They were brought together in one place?
I thought I'd done a Fine job, until Christ came along and corrected me.
He was a teacher after all....
You are correct my dear. I take exception to people who claim that their way is the only way for everybody. A person's choice of beliefs are personal. Everybody returns to the source by their own path, and all paths eventually lead home. It is just that some seem to take a lot longer to get there.
There is no religion for everybody and not everybody needs a religion to show them the way. The journey home is a personal odyssey. No one can tell another how to get there.
It's funny, with the exception of a few, the people of religions all claim that their particular brand is the one true religion and anyone who follows another religion is a doomed heathen or whatever. Well the overlapping should pretty much doom anyone who follows a religion. I feel pretty safe because I have no religion and don't idolize anything. 
Ya! I would say you are ahead of the game. Sheep usually get fleeced before they are lead to the slaughter house.It's funny, with the exception of a few, the people of religions all claim that their particular brand is the one true religion and anyone who follows another religion is a doomed heathen or whatever. Well the overlapping should pretty much doom anyone who follows a religion. I feel pretty safe because I have no religion and don't idolize anything.
It's funny, with the exception of a few, the people of religions all claim that their particular brand is the one true religion and anyone who follows another religion is a doomed heathen or whatever. Well the overlapping should pretty much doom anyone who follows a religion. I feel pretty safe because I have no religion and don't idolize anything.
right, it is ridiculous .
i always mention about freedom to some people who are so captivated in their truths which they also got from other people, in fact.
just let everyone be with their wits ,feelings and decisions to find the fact and don't mock of anybody for they believe in something else which we aren't interested in .
Cliffy is also right,everyone should have his/her own path to reach anything.
sometimes my friends ,my family consider me turning away the Islam but what i am doing is to find my path without anyones' comments and guidances-i benefit from all the faiths but i don't perform my thoughts as the others do and i like to use my brain.