Christ did the same job in that greatest continent recently although he was older than Mohammed
Christ visited here? Damn, he's a sneaky old hippy of a thing. :-?
The embarrassment of the apostle
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Christ visited here? Damn, he's a sneaky old hippy of a thing. :-?
Ya, I couldn't find the proper spelling. I knew someone would correct me. But I did say that is what the Mormons believe. I think they are more lunatic fringe than eanassir and herald. They wear magic underwear after all. :roll:
That's not surprising, however, it describes two groups of people. The ones that respect the rights of others and those that would just as soon kill you as look at you. The ones in power now are the ones that would kill you. Respecting the rights of others, to not be harmed by you, is the dividing line.
How about by the Nations who deem themselves more important than 'most others'? They also seem to be the ones who bellyache the most about how 'awful' others Nations act when their crime are far greater in cruelty and frequency.
Hi,
The first advent was Jesus acting with the authority He received from God to become our High Priest, which is what you posted.
Phase two of His mission as Messiah is to determine who is wicked when He returns. The ones He refused enterance into the Kingdom of God, to at that time, are redeemed by God just prior to resurrection being complete. One group gets to stay in New Jerusalem and 'the rest' inhabit the new earth (Eden basically).
Later
The first advent was Jesus acting with the authority He received from God to become our High Priest, which is what you posted.
Phase two of His mission as Messiah is to determine who is wicked when He returns. The ones He refused enterance into the Kingdom of God, to at that time, are redeemed by God just prior to resurrection being complete. One group gets to stay in New Jerusalem and 'the rest' inhabit the new earth (Eden basically).
Later
There has been a large number of prophets and apostles; some of the apostles came to a small village, others to a great nation.
Prophet Jonah (Younus) was sent to the people of Niniveh city in the north of Iraq.
Noah before him was sent to people in the nothern part of Iraq.
Jesus at the start, had his mission restricted to the Children of Israel. So that when a woman one of the Samaritan asked him to pray for her, he answered her: I am sent in particular to the sheep of the Children of Israel that are astray.
In the ancient times, the distances are so far between cities and countries.
E.g. when Marco Polo went from London to China then he returned to his country, he returned then as an old man.
No radio, no TV and no internet at that time.
The mission of Prophet Mohammed:
At the start, he warned his tribe of near kindred,
Then his message was to the people of Mecca,
Then to all Arabia.
And now the Quran concerns all peoples and nations all over the world.
Threrfore, the preaching – at the start of Mohammed’s mission – was concerning only the tribe of Quraish, but not all the inhabitants of the earth as a whole.
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 26: 214
وَأَنذِرْ عَشِيرَتَكَ الْأَقْرَبِينَ
The explanation:
(And [O Mohammed] warn [about that] your tribe of near kindred.)
Then God –be exalted – said in the Quran 6: 92
لِتُنذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَى وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا
The explanation:
(That [you, Mohammed,] may warn the capital of the cities [: Mecca] and those [dwelling] round about her.)
The indication that the speech was with the Meccan people is His saying – be exalted – in the Quran 9: 128
لَقَدْ جَاءكُمْ رَسُولٌ مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ
The explanation:
([Now] there has come to you an apostle: being one of you.)
It means: Mohammed is one of your tribesmen who speaks your language, and [one of your citizens who] dwells with you in your town; then why do you reject his preaching, while – actually – you know him very well to be ‘the truthful’ and ‘the honest’?
Therefore, when God - be exalted – addresses the Meccans, then He may say: O people!
While when He addresses the inhabitants of Medina [the home of migration and exodus], then He says: O believers!
Afterwards, the addressing concerned all the inhabitants of the Hijaz [in Saudi Arabia], then all the Islamic countries, while nowadays it is a warning to all mankind all over the world.
As in the Quran 25: 1
تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي نَزَّلَ الْفُرْقَانَ عَلَى عَبْدِهِ لِيَكُونَ لِلْعَالَمِينَ نَذِيرًا
The explanation:
(Blessed be [the glory of] Him[God] Who has sent down the 'Furqan' [: the sundry or sporadic revelations of the Quran] onto His servant [: Mohammed] that he may become a warner to the [natios and] worlds.)
(Blessed be [the glory of] Him[God] Who has sent down the 'Furqan' [: the sundry or sporadic revelations of the Quran] onto His servant [: Mohammed] that he may become a warner to the [natios and] worlds.)
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The reason for this embarrassment:
Prophet Mohammed thought with himself that he might not have carried out his duty properly, and he might have done some negligence, or he might forget some of the instructions; and so he might then be responsible before God for that.
Therefore, God told him that he should not worry for this, and that God did not reveal to him the Quran to blame him or to overburden him; but only He revealed the Quran that Mohammed should warn the idolaters and disbelievers and admonish the believers by means of the Glorious Quran.
( [O Mohammed, recite this] Book [: the Quran] revealed to you,
and let there be no embarrassment in your breast as to it[s conveyance],
[but only] to warn [the unbelievers and the associaters] thereby, and as an admonition to the believers. )
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 7: 2
Prophet Mohammed thought with himself that he might not have carried out his duty properly, and he might have done some negligence, or he might forget some of the instructions; and so he might then be responsible before God for that.
Therefore, God told him that he should not worry for this, and that God did not reveal to him the Quran to blame him or to overburden him; but only He revealed the Quran that Mohammed should warn the idolaters and disbelievers and admonish the believers by means of the Glorious Quran.
( [O Mohammed, recite this] Book [: the Quran] revealed to you,
and let there be no embarrassment in your breast as to it[s conveyance],
[but only] to warn [the unbelievers and the associaters] thereby, and as an admonition to the believers. )
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 7: 2
كِتَابٌ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ فَلاَ يَكُن فِي صَدْرِكَ حَرَجٌ مِّنْهُ لِتُنذِرَ بِهِ وَذِكْرَى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ
The truthfulness of Prophet Mohammed
This indicates Mohammed was truthful and not any impostor.
This indicates Mohammed was truthful and not any impostor.
How is this?
Because it isn't logical that he tells people that he is embarrassed because he feels himself neglecting,
or tells himself that he has nothing to do with their guidance: that he cannot guide them but only convey the Quran to them,
or that he cannot fogive them their sins,
or blame himself why he did so and so,
or that he perceived some doubt concerning his prophethood; and in case he tells them that he doubts about his apostlehood, how can he convince them that he is a true apostle?
While in fact, it is God Himself Who blamed His apostle and told him: Don't doubt about your prophet-hood, and don't be sad because they do not believe, or because they demanded of you many impossible requests: like cleaving the moon and removing the mountains and making some great rivers like the Euphrates and Nile in the middle of the desert, or that God Himself should come to testify for the behalf of Mohammed, etc.
Another cause of his embarrassment:
Some of the people of Quraish [the tribe of the Prophet] said: Why has not an angel come with Mohammed to cooperate with him in his warning, or a treasure given to him to expend on us, and then we may follow him!?
(It may be that you [Mohammed] may leave [to your comrades] a part of what is revealed to you [rather than you should convey it to the associaters; in order to avoid their ridicule],
and you may be embarrassed by their saying: "Why has a treasure not been sent down onto him [to expend out of it on us, for then we have to believe him], or an angel not come [to warn] with him [and to testify to the truthfulness of his words? For then we must believe him!]"
You are only a warner; and God is a Guardian against everything [of their evil and their plotting against you.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 11: 12
Some of the people of Quraish [the tribe of the Prophet] said: Why has not an angel come with Mohammed to cooperate with him in his warning, or a treasure given to him to expend on us, and then we may follow him!?
(It may be that you [Mohammed] may leave [to your comrades] a part of what is revealed to you [rather than you should convey it to the associaters; in order to avoid their ridicule],
and you may be embarrassed by their saying: "Why has a treasure not been sent down onto him [to expend out of it on us, for then we have to believe him], or an angel not come [to warn] with him [and to testify to the truthfulness of his words? For then we must believe him!]"
You are only a warner; and God is a Guardian against everything [of their evil and their plotting against you.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 11: 12
فَلَعَلَّكَ تَارِكٌ بَعْضَ مَا يُوحَى إِلَيْكَ وَضَآئِقٌ بِهِ صَدْرُكَ أَن يَقُولُواْ لَوْلاَ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ كَنزٌ أَوْ جَاء مَعَهُ مَلَكٌ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ نَذِيرٌ وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَكِيلٌ
And this aya confirms the previously mentioned aya 7: 1 in the original post.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
Hi MHz,
I think the second coming or advent of Jesus Christ is
>> to confirm the Quran,
>> and teach the Paraclite [: the Mahdi] the interpretation of the Quran [which God only knows,
and we should know that even Prophet Mohammed did not give the explanation of all the Quran],
>> and to falsify the impostors, explain about their distorting of God's religion, and expose their wickedness and their wall round about Jerusalem.
And God is All-Knowing.
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In addition:
>> the Christ will instruct Christians to follow the Quran and the Mahdi.
>> Jesus Christ's second coming may be ? with his soul the spirit) not by his material body --> to inspire the Mahdi and be a connection between God's commands and the Mahdi who will fulfill the will of God.
This may be dedicated from the saying of Jesus in the Gospel: "After a while the world will not see me" and "The son of man will come like the lightening"
>> In this respect, the Christ will inspire the Mahdi just as did Gabriel inspire Prophet Mohammed.
>> In addition, Gabriel himself may come to reveal to the Mahdi what God likes to reveal: concernig the devotion to God alone and the interpretation of the Glorious Quran.
>> The Mahdi will receive the interpretation of the Quran, just as did Prophet Mohammed receive the revelation of the Quran.
But certainly God is the All-Knowing.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
>> the Christ will instruct Christians to follow the Quran and the Mahdi.
>> Jesus Christ's second coming may be ? with his soul
the spirit) not by his material body --> to inspire the Mahdi and be a connection between God's commands and the Mahdi who will fulfill the will of God.This may be dedicated from the saying of Jesus in the Gospel: "After a while the world will not see me" and "The son of man will come like the lightening"
>> In this respect, the Christ will inspire the Mahdi just as did Gabriel inspire Prophet Mohammed.
>> In addition, Gabriel himself may come to reveal to the Mahdi what God likes to reveal: concernig the devotion to God alone and the interpretation of the Glorious Quran.
>> The Mahdi will receive the interpretation of the Quran, just as did Prophet Mohammed receive the revelation of the Quran.
But certainly God is the All-Knowing.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
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Is lightening dangerous?In addition:
>> the Christ will instruct Christians to follow the Quran and the Mahdi.
>> Jesus Christ's second coming may be ? with his soul
This may be dedicated from the saying of Jesus in the Gospel: "After a while the world will not see me" and "The son of man will come like the lightening"
There isn't one instance where any prophecy in either testament that points to the Kingdom of Heaven being 'spiritual' alone. God speaking to the people He did would be an example of God acting in a spiritual manner. The literal destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was an example of God acting in a physical manner. In Ge:1 it is said in several verses that "God said" and the Holy Spirit made it physically real, "It was so."
As peaceful as Jesus was He was also quite capable of being angry, the first example was overturning the tables of the money-changers near the start of the Gospel of John.
1Co:4:20: For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
The first few hours is going to be very violent, every sinner in the world will be dead by the end of those few hours. Satan will be bound and God will finish him and the rest of the fallen angels after the living have been made perfect. (they could enter New Jerusalem as soon as they enter Heaven). When New Jerusalem descends to the New Earth they stay inside the city and the ones who just come alive at Judgment Day populate the New Earth.
What is taught is already given in the Bible, there will be no variation from that when Jesus is here in physical form doing to for/to the people and the earth in what can only be described as in a physical way. If it was spiritual Genesis would have only had the "God said." part and there would be no need for the words to be made manifest.
The future doesn't show mankind living in Heaven with God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. The place of the Great White Throne stays in Heaven, mankind sees it at Judgment Day. After that it would be visited on special occasions at best. New Jerusalem is on the New Earth, that is where mankind will spend most of their time.
Since this earth and our heavens (home to the Angels) are destined for 'destruction' they can also be 'changed' during that time. For instance, New Jerusalem is a lot larger than it was in 30AD. The New Earth can also be enlarged, the outer limits could be what is called the 'universe as we know it today'. An immortal body makes travel possible in places we cannot go today. That also leaves room for mankind to expand for eternity. Since the 'old heavens' become the 'new earth' the Angels are also given a new home, on the same theme that the next version is also larger the Angels would inhabit a new universe and maybe even multiple universes.
Revelation starts out with 7 letters to the first Churches. If that was the home of the Gospels being spread to the Gentiles then Islam must also be part of those Churches because all people not from the 12 tribes are considered to be Gentiles are they not? (as determined back in the days of the founding fathers of Israel)
If the Gospel is spread to all corners of the world before the end then everybody would seen to be a part of one of those 7 Churches. (for better or worse as not all things in those Churches is approved of by God) The RCC certainly fits the first description, she honors men (Pope) above God. She prays others rather than God alone. She has icons and other symbols when none are needed to get close to God. That doesn't mean she has to stay that way, by the time of judgment for the Churches things could be quite different.
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This is only the exaggeration of things; it is not more than deduction and imaginating the things as you like. In like manner my posts #31 and #32 are also deduction that I think may be correct and it may not be so.
And it is better to follow the Quran which is more recent and came after the Gospel and the Torah; and the Quran is nearer to the truth than the previous books are.
Moreover the previous books available now have much distortions and alterations and therefore are undependable as a source of making up the doctrine and the law because of so many mistakes and alterations; while the Quran is preserved, and when people see its recent interpretation, then God will guide whoever He pleases and misguides whoever He dislikes.
The Disagreement of the
Then from the list of Contents see:
And it is better to follow the Quran which is more recent and came after the Gospel and the Torah; and the Quran is nearer to the truth than the previous books are.
Moreover the previous books available now have much distortions and alterations and therefore are undependable as a source of making up the doctrine and the law because of so many mistakes and alterations; while the Quran is preserved, and when people see its recent interpretation, then God will guide whoever He pleases and misguides whoever He dislikes.
The Disagreement of the
Then from the list of Contents see:
preface
The Torah [or Hebrew Bible] of Ezra
Some Books, Of The Hebrew Bible, Are Lost
The Lies Of Ezra About The Prophets
The Mistakes In The Torah Of Ezra
The Torah [or Hebrew Bible] of Ezra
Some Books, Of The Hebrew Bible, Are Lost
The Lies Of Ezra About The Prophets
The Mistakes In The Torah Of Ezra
Second:
The other embarrassment is because he feels himself not worshipping God as should be; i.e. he thinks his worshipping and praying to God is not enough or sufficient, and he has to worship God more than he is doing.
The other embarrassment is because he feels himself not worshipping God as should be; i.e. he thinks his worshipping and praying to God is not enough or sufficient, and he has to worship God more than he is doing.
(Ta. Ha. That means: (Tahir. Hadi.) That means: (O Mohammed: the Pure and the Guide.)
We have not revealed the Quran to you [Mohammed] to be wearied.
But only as an admonition to him who fears [his Lord.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran ayat 20: 1-3
It means: We have not revealed to you the Quran in order to lay heavy burden on you so that you started to work hard to pray and worship; but We revealed the Quran to you in order that you may warn and admonish people with it.
By your reasoning you should be following the Book of Mormon and the writings of Baha'ullah since they came after the Koran. How do you know that Bahá'u'lláh did not come to set the Arab world back on the right track. You have even admitted that Islam has strayed from the original path.
Not every new is correct as is not every old is true.
But the idolatry, associating others with God Almighty and the enthusiasm about prophets and religious men: all this is wrong and falsehood.
While the word of God: pure and not distorted is to be followed.
In addition, the Mormon and the Bahai are obviously full of delusions and enthusiasm and so are only some ways of error and misguidance.
How would you know this unless you actually looked at what they say? Baha'i look at Bahá'u'lláh as a prophet, just like Mohammad. From what I have seen, they are closer to the original Islam than Islam is today. But you go right on thinking you are right. On the day you face your creator, you will find out one way or the other if you have been farting in the wind or not.
Hi,
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
Re:1:8:
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is,
and which was,
and which is to come,
the Almighty.
Nor can any living person escape the Gospel being preached to them prior to Judgment from Christ coming on them. This takes place about an hour before the 3 1/2 days are up. The 'smart people' will be a long way from there and doing what they should be doing, helping the most misfortune-ate of people
Re:14:6:
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation,
and kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
Re:14:7:
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God,
and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come:
and worship him that made heaven,
and earth,
and the sea,
and the fountains of waters.
Re:14:8:
And there followed another angel,
saying,
Babylon is fallen,
is fallen,
that great city,
because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
At the same time time I don't see God letting anybody (Satan) use His name to lead people astray. If Christanity went further off course (from the truth) and there was more than 1,000 years before the return God could have left an alternative for people who rejected the actions of Christians as being even close to what they were told to do with 'strangers' as well as 'brethren'. If Ishmael is the 'first' then it could be the equivalent of the Torah for Gentiles. I'm not trying to lessen it's importance, I just need more proof that newer (in out time) is more accurate than doctrine that has it's foundation based on quotes from Jesus. Those same quotes are supported by every prophecy given back as far as Moses. Ishmael should have been covered by these verses as he was a descendent of Abraham, a circumcised descendant.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
One more point (of a few) is the Dome was built in 688AD and it wasn't the anti-christ because the world didn't come to an end at that time but it did happen during the period of time that the NT calls the time of the Gentiles. When Christians pray their prayers go straight to the alter in Heaven that is right in front of God and Christ. Marking the exact spot of God's temple could be viewed as being trampled by the Gentiles. That very spot only becomes important to God during the period of time called woe 1 and woe 2, woe 3 is when He takes it by war (against Angelic beings and their human followers.
Christians could also cause the doctrine voices to cease by reading the one chapter in Enoch that mentions the Son of Man. lol, so easy yet so hard apparently. The modern Bible doesn't discount Enoch and his writings, there were just too many, it's size would have rivaled the Holy Bible so the early RCC had Jude write a one page summary of all of Enoch's writings. That is why Heavenly beings are the topic in the last writings before angels become the prime persons in the events being foretold.
Just out of curiosity I have to ask this. From my Christian perspective I should be able to pray standing up. all I need is some peace and quiet and a few minutes for a 'short prayer'. Jews worldwide kneel an pray with their faces towards Jerusalem, does that have anything to do with a desire to have the scales removed from their eyes (and see Jesus as their promised Messiah) and do Muslims face away from Jerusalem because they are afraid that looking on the face of God will bring harm to their physical form. It is something I have wondered about for some time actually and I haven't the foggiest notion on why it is done the way it is.
The verses below are just before the 7 letters, do you see any living Jew or Gentile not covered in this list? This division is only for the 3 1/3 years prior to Christ's return. Jerusalem becomes Babylon for only the 3 1/2 days prior to His return.
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
Re:1:8:
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is,
and which was,
and which is to come,
the Almighty.
Nor can any living person escape the Gospel being preached to them prior to Judgment from Christ coming on them. This takes place about an hour before the 3 1/2 days are up. The 'smart people' will be a long way from there and doing what they should be doing, helping the most misfortune-ate of people
Re:14:6:
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation,
and kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
Re:14:7:
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God,
and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come:
and worship him that made heaven,
and earth,
and the sea,
and the fountains of waters.
Re:14:8:
And there followed another angel,
saying,
Babylon is fallen,
is fallen,
that great city,
because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
The Quran covers the same OT events as the Torah, how can the 'retelling' of an event be more accurate than the eye-witness account of the Torah (verbal stories repeated endlessly for generation would assure the utmost level of accuracy is maintained. That doesn't make it 'newer' The NT goes far enough into the future to see past the destruction of this earth by heavenly fire. The Apostles would have had the truth by the time Revelation was written down, what people believed back then would have been closer to the truth, the further from there the more chance for error. As messed up as the doctrine issue is in the various churches if they went back to the early teaching that said Daniel's 70 weeks were finished they would have to adopt one single end-time doctrine. An iron rod does not easily bend, sometimes it must be broken before it can be reformed into an even stringer rod.
That is also true, the steps God took to preserve His message (what we would call a perfect manuscript in the form of a first draft letter, or series of letters if you like) are quite effective, errors in translations usually are specific to one verse in a passage. That is a form of protection all by itself, the message is given in many words rather than in a few words (100 word passage vs 10 word verse), one has more information than the other. Step two, repetition, every important event is mentioned in at least 3 separate passages, one might be damaged but the other two would point out some sort of conflict. If you can find 3 that agree why not 'adopt the teaching' until it can be shown to be in error?
At the same time time I don't see God letting anybody (Satan) use His name to lead people astray. If Christanity went further off course (from the truth) and there was more than 1,000 years before the return God could have left an alternative for people who rejected the actions of Christians as being even close to what they were told to do with 'strangers' as well as 'brethren'. If Ishmael is the 'first' then it could be the equivalent of the Torah for Gentiles. I'm not trying to lessen it's importance, I just need more proof that newer (in out time) is more accurate than doctrine that has it's foundation based on quotes from Jesus. Those same quotes are supported by every prophecy given back as far as Moses. Ishmael should have been covered by these verses as he was a descendent of Abraham, a circumcised descendant.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
One more point (of a few) is the Dome was built in 688AD and it wasn't the anti-christ because the world didn't come to an end at that time but it did happen during the period of time that the NT calls the time of the Gentiles. When Christians pray their prayers go straight to the alter in Heaven that is right in front of God and Christ. Marking the exact spot of God's temple could be viewed as being trampled by the Gentiles. That very spot only becomes important to God during the period of time called woe 1 and woe 2, woe 3 is when He takes it by war (against Angelic beings and their human followers.
Christians could also cause the doctrine voices to cease by reading the one chapter in Enoch that mentions the Son of Man. lol, so easy yet so hard apparently. The modern Bible doesn't discount Enoch and his writings, there were just too many, it's size would have rivaled the Holy Bible so the early RCC had Jude write a one page summary of all of Enoch's writings. That is why Heavenly beings are the topic in the last writings before angels become the prime persons in the events being foretold.
Can we save this for page 20?
Just out of curiosity I have to ask this. From my Christian perspective I should be able to pray standing up. all I need is some peace and quiet and a few minutes for a 'short prayer'. Jews worldwide kneel an pray with their faces towards Jerusalem, does that have anything to do with a desire to have the scales removed from their eyes (and see Jesus as their promised Messiah) and do Muslims face away from Jerusalem because they are afraid that looking on the face of God will bring harm to their physical form. It is something I have wondered about for some time actually and I haven't the foggiest notion on why it is done the way it is.