Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
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No, it is 6+ billion people and their farts are causing climate change. The billions of farm animals only cause 16% of greenhouse gases, methane being one of the worst. As the permafrost melts in the north, methane is being released at an ever increasing rate, making Mother Earth the biggest contributor. We started the ball rolling but she will finish this.
No, it didn't. It is just that I think you are talking through the hole in your head as usual.
During the last recorded warm period Greenland was circumnavigeble. All planets in this solar system are presently experiencing reduced solar radiation, and climate change. We here on earth just wanted to cash in on that fact by running a carbon climate racket. There is thought to be a very good chance of a major geophysical ocurrance soonly rather than lately.
Six billion is nothing we could support three times that many. The problem is control. Since the rich don't like to share their are fewer and fewer of them every year. Us useless eaters have become unmanageable by the reduced crews of the wealthy. It's thought that it would be better all around if we just had a big die off, followed by a memorial telethon and the erection of a lovely monument and then business as usual.
That prediction is basically a self-fulfilling prophecy. First-off, exactly what is considered erratic weather? I can't imagine that there is any possibility of stasis in terms of the weather patterns (taking the long view) and just because we are seeing the weather patterns migrate, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is a man-made phenomenon.
Hello Slim. These guys are all religious uniformists who believe the planet bounces between to fixed positions for all time. Catastrophic geophysical events have comfortably been relegated to the remotest past, in their minds, even in the face of recorded historical destructions of great magnitude.
That is possibly the most succinct and accurate description of this entire issue. Hopefully it might provoke some thought in the minds of those that refuse to see the big picture.
But what is the Big picture. Everyone has ideas as to why this is happening. What I cannot see is why people cannot see all this is inevitable, happened before and will happen again. We just happen to be around and more vulnerable this time around. Better example would be: "when we watch a movie and a women is having a child, why do they always send someone to boil water?" Answer, just to keep them busy and minds off real problem. This case is survival.
So it is apparent that every weather anomaly is due to global warming.
Bitter winters-normal winters- mild winters...Global warming
Cool summers-normal summers-hot summers...Global Warming
Is the climate changing? Most likely as it has always changed. Always.
If only it was that simple...it's not.
Much more complex....actually extremely complex.
Talking points don't cover it at all.
Selective Journalism:
The Daily mail used this quote by Phil Jones to dismiss GW
This week the unit's former head Professor Phil Jones, performed a majot u-turn and admitted there had been no 'statistically significant' global warming in the last 15 years.
Here is the full quote in a BBC interview:
BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present, there has been no statstically-significant global warming"
Prof Jones: Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995-2009. This trend (0.12 per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods and much less likely for shorter periods.
Interesting eh?
The Daily mail used this quote by Phil Jones to dismiss GW
This week the unit's former head Professor Phil Jones, performed a majot u-turn and admitted there had been no 'statistically significant' global warming in the last 15 years.
Here is the full quote in a BBC interview:
BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present, there has been no statstically-significant global warming"
Prof Jones: Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995-2009. This trend (0.12 per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods and much less likely for shorter periods.
Interesting eh?
2 questions arise from this.
- If the 15 year average had little statistical significance, then why publish/adverise that there is an immediate crisis?
- Considering that Jones has been aising the alarm on behalf of the IPCC for many years, why has he and his group not analyzed the long-term to jusify his position rather than speculate that there probably is statistical relevance?
It's as clear as day o me.
Pacific Ocean - sea levels falling
Pacific Ocean - Sea levels falling See Dec 2009 update below
4 Jul 05 - The tiny country of Tuvalu is not cooperating with global warming models. In the early 1990s, scientists warned that the Pacific coral atoll of nine islands - only 12 feet above sea level at their highest point - would vanish within decades, swamped by rising seas. Sea levels were supposedly rising at the rate of 1.5 inches per year.
See Sea levels are falling!
Sea levels are also falling in the Arctic Ocean
See Arctic Sea Level Falling
Pacific Ocean - Sea levels falling See Dec 2009 update below
4 Jul 05 - The tiny country of Tuvalu is not cooperating with global warming models. In the early 1990s, scientists warned that the Pacific coral atoll of nine islands - only 12 feet above sea level at their highest point - would vanish within decades, swamped by rising seas. Sea levels were supposedly rising at the rate of 1.5 inches per year.
Understandably, the residents of Tuvalu were concerned, so Tuvalu's official meteorological agency began measuring sea levels.
Ten years later they were shocked to discover that sea levels had fallen 2.5 inches during that time. Similar sea-level declines have been recorded in Nauru and the Solomon Islands. (London Telegraph, 6 Aug 2000)
Tuvalu somehow “lost” those record, and has started the measurement process again.
Ten years later they were shocked to discover that sea levels had fallen 2.5 inches during that time. Similar sea-level declines have been recorded in Nauru and the Solomon Islands. (London Telegraph, 6 Aug 2000)
Tuvalu somehow “lost” those record, and has started the measurement process again.
Update:
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Tuvalu sea levels STILL falling
[/FONT] [FONT="] 4 Dec 09 - All this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, says Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. [/FONT]
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Tuvalu sea levels STILL falling
[/FONT] [FONT="] 4 Dec 09 - All this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story, says Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. [/FONT]
[FONT="]When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, Mörner launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. (italics added)
[/FONT] If there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner. His findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
See Rising sea levels 'the greatest lie ever told'
Sea levels are also falling in the Maldives! (in the Indian Ocean)[/FONT] If there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner. His findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".
See Rising sea levels 'the greatest lie ever told'
See Sea levels are falling!
Sea levels are also falling in the Arctic Ocean
See Arctic Sea Level Falling
Tackling GW needs an immediate response ans the word "little" was never used.
That's obvious to me.
What he mentions is still supportive of GW.
That is also obvious to me.
Tell me, why did the Daily mail not include the whole quote?
They did the same thing Plimer did in his book yet no concern coming from you.
Surely you see the manipulation there since it's obvious.
Dark Pussy, stop confusing the issue with facts. Al(sic) believers are going to get confused.
You are right: the word "little" was never used... I was being generous - the actual term was no statistical significance (meaning an absolute absence) was the term.
While you intepret his position as still supportive, I see it as waning and in question. It was not to long ago that there was no question and that the debate was over. Considering al of the recent events, this commentary by Jones is nothing short of waffling on their position.
In answer to your questions, you are upset thatg the media is finally treating the pro side the same way that they've treated teh anti GW side... To bad - get used to it. The fact is that the pro-GW have ow worn out all of their credibility and are relegated to being paraphrased by the media as they cannot justify wasting the space in a magazine/newspaper on folks whose credibility is fading fast.
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