Mixed Races Gaining Ground

AnnaG

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Personally I think its sad that 'pure' races are on a decline, and I'm not saying that as a racist, because I am not.
... and I think it's sad that the Sphinx' nose is dust, too. Life's a biatch.
BTW, we all came from Africa about a quarter million years ago. Quite likely all had the same color skin, relatively common height, no politics (just a pecking order for who got to eat first and stuff like that), no formalised religion, etc.
There's only one race of humans.
 

EagleSmack

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Personally I think its sad that 'pure' races are on a decline, and I'm not saying that as a racist, because I am not.

And the guy just called me arrogant. I could have a field day with him on this one.
 

Johnnny

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The scientific racist literature i read says that all human beings are 99% the same, and that there is no race because we can produce fertile offspring when people from diffferent continents mix...

Talk about racist
 

Machjo

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Why would we need to repeal any laws, Machjo? We don't have any laws on the statue book to make interracial marriage difficult. And even if there are some outmoded laws, you can be sure that they all became invalid after we adopted the Charter.

You're looking at it in very simple terms here. Any number of immigration, language (as was the case when I had to relocate from Quebec with my bro in law even though I knew French myself), and other laws are likely to affect international couples more than the average Canadian. Add to that that more emotions are involved too owing to the distance of extended families.
 

Machjo

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Well, maybe not to you, but to me, it is gratifying that acceptance of interracial marriage is so high in Canada, higher than south of the border. If we are going to solve any problem, we first must know where we are in relation to the problem. That is where statistics are important. As for interracial marriage, statistics tell us that we really don't need to do much more (92% acceptance), the tiny pockets of racism will probably disappear in a generation or so.

Tiny pockets!? Where do I start with this?! These 'tiny pockets of racism' pushed us out of Victoria!!! They also gave my ex wife and one of her brothers in law some real problems with the immigration board when they had to try to explain to a bunch of immigration bureaucrats how it was that they could know English so well though they claimed to be in Canada only a few months (they'd gone to a private Lycee, but somehow the bureaucrats couldn't fathom that such a thing could exist in Ethiopia). When her lawyer proved these bureaucrats wrong, they decided to cancel the whole process and start over from scratch, after a year of deliberations, not to mention that she had to pay out of pocket to go to Vancouver a few times to solve this.

Then when we were in Montreal, another bro in law, though his parents were paying his education out of pocket and this was costing the Canadian taxpayer nada and was essentially money coming into the country, he'd have to do a few more years of high school in Quebec to get the required level of French to get his his school diploma even though he was fluently bilingual in Amharic and English and was attending an English-medium school. So I had to quit my job and had to move out of Quebec to Ontario where they would recognize his other language for high school graduation. And since he was underage, I had to be his legal guardian (though that last part was reasonable enough, I agree).


And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'd heard plenty of horror stories of discrimination from police, employers, and landlords, and was a firsthand witness to racial discrimination from a landlord since my family in law was brown.

And then I could go on to tensions between Francophones and Anglophones when I was a kid, both in Ottawa and Victoria. Since I' Francophone myself, I was in the midst of that too.

When you have no close family attachment to another racial, national, or ethnic group, statistics look real pretty. But when you're in the fray, they mean little.
 

Machjo

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That doesn't make sense. You are comparing interracial couples in USA with racially homogeneous couples in Canada? Why? That is comparing apples with oranges.

My point was this:

You're saying that interracial marriages are more accepted in Canada than in the US. It still doesn't change the fact that a white man married to a black woman in the US is likely to have a much more real experience of what all these statistics mean than a white man married to a white woman in Cadnada, some possible exceptions aside.

And of course inversely, a white man in an interracial marriage in Canada won't be too impressed by cushy statistics after he'd seen the real face of racism in this country. Besides, I'm sure sure you can guess that not all racists are aware of their racism. You're well aware of 'I'm not racist, but...' aren't you? Canadians are more polite than Americans on the whole. Don't you think such cultural anomalies could be reflected into these statistics?

I remember a bro in law of mine looking for an apartment. The landlord said it wasn't available, but he knew it was. He sent me in and, sure enough, the landlord was more than pleased to show it to me. And yes, this was in Montreal, Canada.

When I was in Victoria, BC at the age of twelve, selling chocolates for a school ski trip, one friendly man, just about to buy some chocolates, asked what school it was. As soon as I mentioned it was a French-medium school, his exact words were as he was walking away no longer interested in buying, 'I don't like French people'. Just seconds earlier, he seemed so friendly.

An uncle in law had a similar experience with a job posting in the paper. It was available by phone, but not in person. But when his white friend went to investigate, hey, the job was still available.

Now you tell me, SJP. How will statistics help in all of these cases. Statistics are useful for certain purposes, but not in comparison with other countries. Comparing Canadian racial statistics from now and the past might be relevant to see the direction we're moving in. To compare Canadian statistics with American, merely shows how good or bad we are compared to them, but says nothing of any progress, which is what we really want to see. You seem to be unaware of the emotional aspects of having to quit a job move, be unable to find employment or accommodation, or having to put up with prejudiced bureaucrats, etc. etc. etc.

Statistics might be relevant to see our direction, not to compare with another country. That just cheapens the actual suffering people actually go through, and the emotional and economic hardships involved. We want to see progress, not just that we're less savage than our neighbours.
 

JLM

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Now you tell me, SJP. How will statistics help in all of these cases. Statistics are useful for certain purposes, but not in comparison with other countries. Comparing Canadian racial statistics from now and the past might be relevant to see the direction we're moving in. To compare Canadian statistics with American, merely shows how good or bad we are compared to them, but says nothing of any progress, which is what we really want to see. You seem to be unaware of the emotional aspects of having to quit a job move, be unable to find employment or accommodation, or having to put up with prejudiced bureaucrats, etc. etc. etc.

Statistics might be relevant to see our direction, not to compare with another country. That just cheapens the actual suffering people actually go through, and the emotional and economic hardships involved. We want to see progress, not just that we're less savage than our neighbours.[/quote]

I told S.J. several months ago that comparing statistics derived from different sources is totally useless...............................wonder if he was paying attention.................:lol::lol:
 

Machjo

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Personally I think its sad that 'pure' races are on a decline, and I'm not saying that as a racist, because I am not.

Have you ever heard of Bilal? He was one of Muhammad's companions, an Ethiopian. Even back in the 600s AD, different races met, traded, fought, intermarried, etc. etc. etc. At the height of the golden Age of Islam, Iran was a major centre of trade from all over Asia. Even today, we can find a wide range of skin colours in the middle East. If you're looking for a pure race, you'd need to go far, far back in time. Even at the time of Jesus, if you read the New Testament, in the Book of Acts, at Pentecost, the Apostles were speaking to people from all over the Empire, including North Africa.

So I guess you'd have to go way, way back to find your pure race.
 

Machjo

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I told S.J. several months ago that comparing statistics derived from different sources is totally useless...............................wonder if he was paying attention.................:lol::lol:

Good point. If I had a choice between a Canada that was more racist than the US but less racist than before, and a Canada that was less racist than the US but more racist than before, I'd choose the former, because that one would mean an actual decline in suffering.

Whether A is better than B (or in this case, less evil than B) is irrelevant. What really matters is whether A has progressed.
 

Machjo

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Shouldn't that be "person"?

You need to read up on the history of the English language. Originally, 'man' meant 'human being', while the male member of the race was called 'were' (a remnant of which still appears in 'werewolf'). So if you want to talk about sexism, how about we stop using a generic term like 'man' to describe males, and bring back the word were. And for crying out loud, werewolf should be reserved for males only, with manwolf being the more appropriate gender-neutral term.
 

YukonJack

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I think that it is a safe bet that the louder some pretend to support mixed-race marriages, the louder they would cry, wail and moan if their son or daughter wanted to marry someone of a different "race".
 

JLM

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I think that it is a safe bet that the louder some pretend to support mixed-race marriages, the louder they would cry, wail and moan if their son or daughter wanted to marry someone of a different "race".

I know back when I was a kid (before '59) it was an issue, today nobody cares.
 

JLM

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You need to read up on the history of the English language. Originally, 'man' meant 'human being', while the male member of the race was called 'were' (a remnant of which still appears in 'werewolf'). So if you want to talk about sexism, how about we stop using a generic term like 'man' to describe males, and bring back the word were. And for crying out loud, werewolf should be reserved for males only, with manwolf being the more appropriate gender-neutral term.

Now we are getting technical....................:smile:
 

SirJosephPorter

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The experiences you had with racism may be real Machjo, I am not disputing that. However, that in no way disproves the statistics (which says that 92% Canadian approve of interracial marriage).

Statistics cannot be applied to individual cases. Let us do some math. If 92% Canadians support interracial marriage, that means 8% Canadians are opposed to it. That means 240,000 Canadians (out of 30 million) are opposed to interracial marriage.

It is quite likely that you may have come into contact with some of the 240,000 Canadians. But that in no way invalidates the statistics.

Statistics cannot be applied to individual cases. Individual experience is just htat, anecdotal evidence. While it may be true, it cannot be used to draw any sort of conclusions.

I have given this example before. We live in a very safe area. I have never been mugged; nobody I know has been mugged. My house has never been broken in; nobody I know has had a house break in. Then would I be correct in assuming that there are no muggings, no break ins in Canada? One has to be very careful in drawing general conclusions from personal experience.