Denial of Environmental Disasters

Bar Sinister

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Well you are saying that the US and Canada are lagging and that Europe and Japan are plunging ahead. I am asking why aren't you tackling the Basic Nations issues. In essence that the Basic Nations get underdeveloped nation status, meaning they get to do whatever they want and they are light years from underdeveloped.

What makes Canada behind all of Europe? You folks have been knee deep in climate change negotiations, etc. from the word go.

I am merely pointing out that without the basic nations being a part of the big picture you will never get everyone on board. They are basic nations because they are basically (no pun intended) telling the concerned nations to screw and they do not give two BLEEPS what other nations agree to. They will govern and grow as they see fit regardless of the environmental implications.


Thanks for your clarification. I used Japan and Europe for one reason only and that is because these are developed nations and it seems to me what one nation can do all nations should be able to do. I did not mean to imply that only advanced nations should modernize their infrastructure.
 

ironsides

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We now have scientific studies revealing that the continued addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere may result in an increase in atmospheric temperatures.



Have to be a little more positive, "We now have scientific studies revealing that the continued addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere may result in an increase in atmospheric temperatures."
 

Walter

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Tell you what, you drink an 8 oz glass of DDT and let us know the next day how you feel.
Is that what the directions say on your container? Perhaps you would rather be stung by a mosquito which carries the malaria virus; you'd first have to leave Canada to do that because the malaria virus carrying mosquitoes were eradicated here by pesticides, including DDT.
 
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petros

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I am merely pointing out that without the basic nations being a part of the big picture you will never get everyone on board. They are basic nations because they are basically (no pun intended) telling the concerned nations to screw and they do not give two BLEEPS what other nations agree to. They will govern and grow as they see fit regardless of the environmental implications.
That's what the Copenhagen Accord Green Fund and the taxes that go along with it is all about.

As alleged carbon abusers we'll have to pay another tax to fund this new bank and government who will go paint green smiley faces all over the globe to make everyone feel happy and tie them financially to theis fund and it's global governing body.

It will be a "do it or else" scenario as in the past just wearing a happy green face.

Either join the global green order or face sanctions and isolation.
 

EagleSmack

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That's what the Copenhagen Accord Green Fund and the taxes that go along with it is all about.

As alleged carbon abusers we'll have to pay another tax to fund this new bank and government who will go paint green smiley faces all over the globe to make everyone feel happy and tie them financially to theis fund and it's global governing body.

It will be a "do it or else" scenario as in the past just wearing a happy green face.

Either join the global green order or face sanctions and isolation.

Well that is simply why the Basic Nations will not sign on to anything. Nations like China and India will not face sanctions or be isolated for failing to get onboard. They were all for collecting green money with no restrictions or monitoring though.
 

petros

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Well that is simply why the Basic Nations will not sign on to anything. Nations like China and India will not face sanctions or be isolated for failing to get onboard. They were all for collecting green money with no restrictions or monitoring though.
You mean there are nations that will no longer bow to the oppression or the are you talking the ones that don't give a **** about us in the first place?

They already thought of that. A nation state in a global government doesn't have a hope in hell.

Sign on or no food or water for you! Either you take the aid and the disease resistant seeds or see ya in hell!

Pretty simple.
 

petros

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"Creating a Climate Policy Review Mechanism"

SUMMARY

International climate negotiations are becoming increasingly focused on suites of emissions-cutting policies and measures, rather than solely on traditional targets and timetables, particularly for developing countries. This approach raises at least two important challenges for negotiators and policymakers. First, how can negotiators judge whether states' proposed policies and measures are commensurate with ambitious global goals for controlling emissions? Second, how can policymakers evaluate whether climate policies and measures (in both developed and developing countries) are succeeding and maximize the odds that countries will actually deliver needed emissions cuts? Answering both questions is essential to reconciling a bottom-up approach to climate change mitigation with top-down need for strong global emissions cuts.

Continuous collective examination and evaluation of existing and proposed national mitigation efforts will be needed to address both issues. States should create a multilateral Climate Policy Review Mechanism that would institutionalize this process. This would borrow from the successful use of "peer review" (democracy?) to help address other challenges including trade, monetary, and environmental policy.

The effort should be anchored in a new international institution whose sole purpose would be to facilitate the review process or in an expanded International Energy Agency (IEA). Member countries would be required to participate in the review mechanism. (Depending on the circumstances under which the mechanism was created, membership could include all UNFCCC members or could be limited to G-20 nations.) In order to maximize states' cooperation, though, the body would have no authority to determine compliance with or prescribe enforcement action under any international treaty.

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/levi_3.pdf
Is it just me or does it sound like an appointed Global Government that dictates a nations economy?
 

EagleSmack

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You mean there are nations that will no longer bow to the oppression or the are you talking the ones that don't give a **** about us in the first place?

You confuse me as I always thought your stance was a pro-climate change stance. I agree, China and the other Basic Nations make it loud and clear they will not bow down to the green initiatives no matter how loud other nations cry. That is why they got the title Basic Nation i.e under developed.

They already thought of that. A nation state in a global government doesn't have a hope in hell.

Very doubtful. China can out ride any storm particularly with the US in it's pocket. We feed it's mouth and in turn suck on it's teet.

Sign on or no food or water for you! Either you take the aid and the disease resistant seeds or see ya in hell!

Pretty simple.

Well seeing that Copenhagen was an utter failure that vision of the future is on hold.
 

petros

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You confuse me as I always thought your stance was a pro-climate change stance.
Cleanliness is next to Godliness!
Very doubtful. China can out ride any storm particularly with the US in it's pocket. We feed it's mouth and in turn suck on it's teet.
What happens when they decide to stop funding the NATO shenanigans in Middle east and Central Asia only to keep those nations from selling oil in Euros? Simply put China won and can do whatever the hell it wants. If China and India sign on to that Accord we are screwed blued and tattooed. They could buy us out lock stock and barrel with phony baloney carbon credits which are poised to replace the oil dollar.
Quote: Sign on or no food or water for you! Either you take the aid and the disease resistant seeds or see ya in hell!​

Pretty simple.​

Well seeing that Copenhagen was an utter failure that vision of the future is on hold.
How does a deal stop crop disease and pests? Especially ones that can be introduced and spread? If you don't have the right seed you don't eat. If you try to plant the good seed without paying heavy fees they'll just take your land. It's already happening to Nor Am producers. What is stopping them from going global and using seed as control?
 

Tonington

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The duck. If it walks like a duck, has feathers like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are that some scientist will disagree that it is most likely a duck. And the media will say they are respectable. The appearance of an even debate. Clearly not the case.
 

Bar Sinister

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Have to be a little more positive, "We now have scientific studies revealing that the continued addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere may result in an increase in atmospheric temperatures."


Unlike some posters I am always very careful about what I write. I knew what I was doing when I wrote "may." However, I am well aware of the fact that even if global warming is not yet happening, it is inevitable given the continued increase in greenhouse gases.
 

ironsides

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Unlike some posters I am always very careful about what I write. I knew what I was doing when I wrote "may." However, I am well aware of the fact that even if global warming is not yet happening, it is inevitable given the continued increase in greenhouse gases.

Yes, but do we really have as much of an effect upon it as some say, or will climate change happen no matter what we do. We had no effect on weather changes in the past.
 

petros

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Yes, but do we really have as much of an effect upon it as some say, or will climate change happen no matter what we do. We had no effect on weather changes in the past.
So which one are you talking about, the climate or the weather? Has there ever been 6.2 Billion people alive at once before?
 

ironsides

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So which one are you talking about, the climate or the weather? Has there ever been 6.2 Billion people alive at once before?

Climate changes. No question our population density is/has gotten us in trouble. I personally think China sort of has the right idea, limit size of families but on a world wide basis. Which will be a much harder thing to do than getting people to sign off on this Copenhagen thing. Time to reign in this notion we have that we must go fourth and populate the world.
 

Cliffy

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Climate changes. No question our population density is/has gotten us in trouble. I personally think China sort of has the right idea, limit size of families but on a world wide basis. Which will be a much harder thing to do than getting people to sign off on this Copenhagen thing. Time to reign in this notion we have that we must go fourth and populate the world.
Yup! Telling guys to keep their peckers in their pants would go over like telling them they can't drink beer anymore. It may even curtail the sale of beer and Budweiser would never let that happen.
 

Avro

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Yup! Telling guys to keep their peckers in their pants would go over like telling them they can't drink beer anymore. It may even curtail the sale of beer and Budweiser would never let that happen.

Unless you put something in the beer to make them sterile.

Imagine the ads....F*ck all you want and drink all the beer you can get, Labatt Blue, the good stuff for a gooder world."