I see the diff! One says "Nov" and the other says "Dec" with a little drop (designated in grey) at the tail end of the graph. Also, one says "running 13 month average" and points to a spot that's later than the "running 25 month average". Weird.Those wacky deniers. They must think their audience is quite dense not to notice this. It's Roy Spencer's monthly update to the UAH MSU temperature records. See if you can spot the difference:
November:
December:
Lame...
Death knell for AGW
- Thread starter Walter
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Yes, it's the change in the moving average. With the change, the running mean contains no data from 2009, and makes the warmth of 2009 disappear. There's valid reasons to change moving averages, but he should have explained why he would do so here. January may turn out to be very cold, given the extreme change in the Arctic oscillation. It will be interesting to see if he returns to the 13-month average when that happens.
As they say on the boob tube, stay tuned!
As they say on the boob tube, stay tuned!
January 17, 2010
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown
Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings
A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.
Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.
In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.
It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.
Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.
Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: "If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments."
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online
Doh.
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown
Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings
A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.
Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.
In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.
It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.
Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.
Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: "If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments."
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online
Doh.
CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES
Climate Summary
December 2009
The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years.
CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES Climate Summary
One has to be wary of short tern stats such as the recent December temperatures. Right now the temp where I live is above zero most days and this is normally the coldest month. I can actually walk my dogs without a hat. In most Januaries that would lead to seriously frozen ears. In other words the global average over a longer period of time is more important that short term spikes, whether they be up or down.
About the Himalayan glaciers and why they grew by a factor of 6 as Asia's summer got hotter:
BYU geologist solves mystery of glaciers that grew while Asia heated up
BYU geologist solves mystery of glaciers that grew while Asia heated up
Glaciologists are this week arguing over how a highly contentious claim about the speed at which glaciers are melting came to be included in the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
In 1999 New Scientist reported a comment by the leading Indian glaciologist Syed Hasnain, who said in an email interview with this author that all the glaciers in the central and eastern Himalayas could disappear by 2035.
Hasnain, of Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, who was then chairman of the International Commission on Snow and Ice's working group on Himalayan glaciology, has never repeated the prediction in a peer-reviewed journal. He now says the comment was "speculative".
Despite the 10-year-old New Scientist report being the only source, the claim found its way into the IPCC fourth assessment report published in 2007. Moreover the claim was extrapolated to include all glaciers in the Himalayas.
High probability
Chapter 10 of the report says: "Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world."
The inclusion of this statement has angered many glaciologists, who regard it as unjustified. Vijay Raina, a leading Indian glaciologist, wrote in a discussion paper published by the Indian government in November that there is no sign of "abnormal" retreat in Himalayan glaciers. India's environment minister, Jairam Ramesh, accused the IPCC of being "alarmist".
...more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ers-claim.html
Referring to this chapter of the IPCC report:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...10s10-6-2.html
Full report here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...sis_report.htm
In 1999 New Scientist reported a comment by the leading Indian glaciologist Syed Hasnain, who said in an email interview with this author that all the glaciers in the central and eastern Himalayas could disappear by 2035.
Hasnain, of Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, who was then chairman of the International Commission on Snow and Ice's working group on Himalayan glaciology, has never repeated the prediction in a peer-reviewed journal. He now says the comment was "speculative".
Despite the 10-year-old New Scientist report being the only source, the claim found its way into the IPCC fourth assessment report published in 2007. Moreover the claim was extrapolated to include all glaciers in the Himalayas.
High probability
Chapter 10 of the report says: "Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other part of the world."
The inclusion of this statement has angered many glaciologists, who regard it as unjustified. Vijay Raina, a leading Indian glaciologist, wrote in a discussion paper published by the Indian government in November that there is no sign of "abnormal" retreat in Himalayan glaciers. India's environment minister, Jairam Ramesh, accused the IPCC of being "alarmist".
...more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ers-claim.html
Referring to this chapter of the IPCC report:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...10s10-6-2.html
Full report here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...sis_report.htm
Now that AGW has been thoroughly discredited , what will the watermelon crowd tell us the next crisis is?
The major drivers of climate:
Orbital, take thousands of years, what's happening now is occurring much faster. Orbital variations are out. Volcanism, if the explosion is large enough to fill the upper atmosphere with dust will cool the Earth for a few years, and then when the aerosols fall out of the atmosphere, the earth will warm rapidly, but only back to the pre-eruption conditions. That explanation can't hold water. Changes in the solar irradience, well solar irradience has been trending down for the last 40 or so years, while temperatures have gone in the opposite direction. Then there is the observations in the stratosphere. If this warming were due to increasing irradience from the sun or orbital changes, then the entire atmosphere would warm as more radiation passes through. Instead, we have observed a warming troposphere, and a cooling stratosphere. This is entirely consistent with what happens when you make the lower atmosphere more opaque to radiation. There is less radiation escaping to space, due to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases. So the stratosphere will cool.
That much is unequivocal. The atmosphere shows a clear indication that the changing state is due to the radiative effects of increasing greenhouse gas concentrations. Skepticism of this fact is not supported, and there is no competing explanation to choose.
That's not to say that the science is settled, it's just that skepticism of the human DNA found on the crime scene are not justified by science.
(Un)Settled Science - Hole in the AGWzone Layer!
Electric Wind
Jan 21, 2010
It is the planets farthest from the Sun that have the fastest winds.
Plasma In Three Dimensions
Plasma In Three Dimensions
Jan 20, 2010
Plasma is often described as the fourth state of matter. Since it makes up more than 99% of the Universe, it should be reckoned the first state.
Dual bands of ultraviolet light mark streams of plasma circling Earth's equator.
Credit: NASA IMAGE Satellite/University of California Berkeley.
Electric Wind
Jan 21, 2010
It is the planets farthest from the Sun that have the fastest winds.
Plasma In Three Dimensions
Plasma In Three Dimensions
Jan 20, 2010
Plasma is often described as the fourth state of matter. Since it makes up more than 99% of the Universe, it should be reckoned the first state.
Dual bands of ultraviolet light mark streams of plasma circling Earth's equator.
Credit: NASA IMAGE Satellite/University of California Berkeley.
It isn't even matter. That's how lame the hypoth is. The murder to keep it that way is inconceivable.
It's hard to notice when their guide doesn't see it, or purposefully makes them look elsewhere.
Pew Poll: global warming dead last, down from last year
25 01 2010 It seems that the public just doesn’t share the worry some of the activists have.
From the Pew Research Center
The power of the people.
25 01 2010 It seems that the public just doesn’t share the worry some of the activists have.
From the Pew Research Center
The power of the people.
More crap is coming out about Rajendra Pachauri. What an anal sphincter he is. I'm sure there's more AGW stuff about to hit the fan, but Al and David ain't sayin' nothin'.
So most people are getting bored with it. How does that prove the AGW is experiencing the death knell? It's only quieted down a bit. Suppose it goes into hibernation or becomes dormant, that doesn't mean it's dead.Pew Poll: global warming dead last, down from last year
25 01 2010 It seems that the public just doesn’t share the worry some of the activists have.
From the Pew Research Center
The power of the people.