Israel and Gaza Settlements - Legal or not?

[MHz]

Yes I was in the Military and funny thing is Soldiers are not hot and heavy about going to War - when they do they go to win - we - Canada- went to many countries ill equipped and poorly trained

Even today the young and very old can still be called up in a war in which you are losing men of the 'fighting age'. Children that become soldiers (say in Africa today) do so as the only way to avoid death. The proof is their dead relatives.

-I belive in the 2 State solution

..... you don't live there you don't get a vote ....... let alone one that overrides the vote by the people who live there. Yet that is where we are today, the vote by the people was overridden by a few who didn't live there (and never will). WWII was about that very thing, the guns came out before the land was taken (from the owners), the other land was taken away (from the owners) by the stroke of a pen .... and then the guns came out.
Would you sign a paper that says we should be invaded? Should a few other Nations have the right to decide who owns what we currently own? People go to war over things like that.

Here is how Canada should have been a two state system. The Invaders (that's us) and the owners (Natives being the original owners) Rather than decimating them they should have been elevated to a high status. Sent them to Ottawa (with a copy of how we want things run). The end result is the same we get what we want from the land and the owners are spared death and actually have quite a good life compared to being 3 steps away from death.

It should have been the 5 countries that voted to take land against the will of the owners that ended up being a safe haven for the Jews.

and yes I understand that the Israelis have cut up Gaza like swiss cheese

That is only the latest, there are some 400 Arab villages in Israel's borders that are not on any map in use today. All those people should have gotten a lot of money for that land (should they wish to sell), being made refugees (or killed) was the 'solution'. That's how far back things have been going wrong, something that messed up has to have a plan behind it that keeps it from having a solution already in place.

[quote
- But from what I understand the on and off negotiations are within a few percentage points, regarding land - exchanges, swaps etc [/quote]
You don't believe in the tooth-fairy anymore but would would believe some document written & signed by the same ones who forgot to follow any of the point that gave them access to the land in the first place would be carried out to the letter.
The courts in Canada can hold up treaty cases for 100 years or more while letting the 'infractions' continue.

[quote
- But Israel does not recognize the right of return - and I agree - simple demographics - and Jerusalem as a divided capital - [/quote]
Well why would a thief recognize a claim by some person to some of his booty?

Well God claims it should be treadded on by the Gentiles until Christ's return.

If you added in Christians and Atheists to the equation, Jerusalem could transform from a "two headed beast" to a "four headed beast".

Where have I heard of multi headed beasts before? Are you sure this is something you wish to have created?

You mean these guys? God assumes that if we can read we can also count. That way all the different headed beasts remain different from each other. (ie 2,4,7,10) Since these holy beast arrive with Christ you are saying Christ's arrive is a thing to be dreaded. The beast below seems to 'have relatives' that were created back in the very beginning, "after their kind"

Re:4:6:
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne,
were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
Re:4:7:
And the first beast was like a lion,
and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man,
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
Re:4:8:
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him;
and they were full of eyes within:
and they rest not day and night,
saying,
Holy,
holy,
holy,
Lord God Almighty,
which was,
and is,
and is to come.

 

[petros]

Even today the young and very old can still be called up in a war in which you are losing men of the 'fighting age'. Children that become soldiers (say in Africa today) do so as the only way to avoid death. The proof is their dead relatives.

..... you don't live there you don't get a vote ....... let alone one that overrides the vote by the people who live there. Yet that is where we are today, the vote by the people was overridden by a few who didn't live there (and never will). WWII was about that very thing, the guns came out before the land was taken (from the owners), the other land was taken away (from the owners) by the stroke of a pen .... and then the guns came out.
Would you sign a paper that says we should be invaded? Should a few other Nations have the right to decide who owns what we currently own? People go to war over things like that.

Here is how Canada should have been a two state system. The Invaders (that's us) and the owners (Natives being the original owners) Rather than decimating them they should have been elevated to a high status. Sent them to Ottawa (with a copy of how we want things run). The end result is the same we get what we want from the land and the owners are spared death and actually have quite a good life compared to being 3 steps away from death.

It should have been the 5 countries that voted to take land against the will of the owners that ended up being a safe haven for the Jews.

That is only the latest, there are some 400 Arab villages in Israel's borders that are not on any map in use today. All those people should have gotten a lot of money for that land (should they wish to sell), being made refugees (or killed) was the 'solution'. That's how far back things have been going wrong, something that messed up has to have a plan behind it that keeps it from having a solution already in place.

[quote
- But from what I understand the on and off negotiations are within a few percentage points, regarding land - exchanges, swaps etc

You don't believe in the tooth-fairy anymore but would would believe some document written & signed by the same ones who forgot to follow any of the point that gave them access to the land in the first place would be carried out to the letter.
The courts in Canada can hold up treaty cases for 100 years or more while letting the 'infractions' continue.

- But Israel does not recognize the right of return - and I agree - simple demographics - and Jerusalem as a divided capital -

Well why would a thief recognize a claim by some person to some of his booty?

Well God claims it should be treadded on by the Gentiles until Christ's return.



You mean these guys? God assumes that if we can read we can also count. That way all the different headed beasts remain different from each other. (ie 2,4,7,10) Since these holy beast arrive with Christ you are saying Christ's arrive is a thing to be dreaded. The beast below seems to 'have relatives' that were created back in the very beginning, "after their kind"

Re:4:6:
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal:
and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne,
were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
Re:4:7:
And the first beast was like a lion,
and the second beast like a calf,
and the third beast had a face as a man,
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
Re:4:8:
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him;
and they were full of eyes within:
and they rest not day and night,
saying,
Holy,
holy,
holy,
Lord God Almighty,
which was,
and is,
and is to come.[/quote]


You can't say we weren't warned. It can also be looked at as the current 3 "City States" of Washington DC, City of London and the Vatican having Jerusalem being added the fourth as a multi religion run beast.

No where does it say these "beasts" have to be monsters does it?

 

[earth_as_one]

...Israel does not recognize the right of return...

Of course Israel recognizes right of return, but only for people who are Jewish, even if they have no ancestors who came from this area. By the way, some Jews never left. Some who stayed converted to Islam or Christianity. The entire idea of people returning to someplace they've never been would be farsical, if it wasn't for all the resulting death and destruction.

Israeli Independence Day

A Day of Mourning for Torah Faithful Jews


While the Zionists celebrate the anniversary of the founding of the so called “State” of Israel, the worldwide Jewish community, faithful to the teachings of G-d and the Torah, gather to commemorate this anniversary as a day of sorrow and tragedy.

The founding of the Zionist State is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Torah, which forbids the establishment of a Jewish State and commands Jews to remain in exile until released from that exile by G-d Himself without any human intervention. At which time all Nations of the world will live together in peace.

Two thousand years ago, at the time of the destruction of the holy Temple, the Jewish people were commanded by the Creator (kesubos 111a)

• Not to go up en masse to the land of Israel
• Not to rebel against the nations
• Not to in any way attempt to end the exile

Torah faithful Jews are to behave in a civil, honest and grateful manner towards their host nations throughout the world.

The Zionist intervention against G-d’s will by establishing the ‘State of Israel’, represents a direct rebellion against G-d and the Torah, a rebellion which has generated untold pain and suffering, to Jew and non-Jew alike.

On the anniversary of the founding of this heretical Zionist State, Torah true Jews mourn the attempt to transform Judaism from a religion into a secular entity and the attempt to uproot the Torah teachings. We mourn the sacrilege it has produced: desecration of the Sabbath, loss of modesty, and a litany of violations against many laws of our faith and Jewish teachings, amongst them the command of compassion for our fellow beings.

We mourn the subjugation, expulsion and horrific oppression of the Palestinian people, in a continuing chain of events, from the time of the foundation of the ‘State’, culminating in the recent tragic onslaught on Gaza. The list goes on and on...

On the tragic day of this anniversary, we fast and gather in Synagogues around the world, praying for a total, speedy and peaceful dismantlement of the heretical Zionist ‘State of Israel’, to be replaced by a free Palestine and a free Jerusalem entirely in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

May we then merit that this year will be the year when the glory of the Almighty will be revealed over the whole world, when all nations will live in peace and join together in the service of one G-d, soon in our days. Amen.
Israeli Independence Day 2007 on the streets of Jerusalem. The big banner reads in Hebrew: “We mourn 59 years of Zionist rebellion against G-d and His Torah.”

Israeli Independence Day - A Day of Mourning for Torah Faithful Jews

 

[Goober]

Of course Israel recognizes right of return, but only for people who are Jewish, even if they have no ancestors who came from this area. By the way, some Jews never left. Some who stayed converted to Islam or Christianity. The entire idea of people returning to someplace they've never been would be farsical, if it wasn't for all the resulting death and destruction.

EAO
Next you will be quoting the Hamas Charter - Basically kill all Jews - and all means everyone -
Pretty pathetic answer you came up with.

 

[petros]

Twelfth Congress - Carlsbad (Karlovy Vary), 1921

This was, of course, the first Congress to be held after the First World War, during which time the Zionist movement had won British support for its endeavors to create a Jewish national home in Palestine (the Balfour Declaration). The Congress passed resolutions welcoming the decision of the principal Allied Powers to grant the mandate for Palestine to Britain and encouraged the ratification of the Mandate by the League of Nations.
With the end of the war, the defeat of Germany and the success of the London branch of the movement, it was clear that the leadership there would be rewarded. Weizmann became President of the WZO and Sokolow President of the executive.
The Congress discussed the activities and organization of Keren HaYesod, which had been established a year earlier at the London Conference and whose purpose it was to raise funds for the upbuilding of Palestine from among the Jewish communities of the Diaspora.
A further issue discussed at the Congress was the question of Zionism's relations with the Arabs. This matter had become serious as a result of Arab riots in Jerusalem (1920) and in Jaffa (1921). The Congress passed a resolution declaring that Zionism seeks,

“to live in relations of harmony and mutual respect with the Arab people,”
​

and called on the Executive to achieve a,

“sincere understanding with the Arab people.”
​

 

[petros]

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours,
Arthur James Balfour

 

[ironsides]

We seem to be re-hashing the same ole, same ole, so here it is again.

Israel has every right to build anywhere in Jerusalem. From the mid 1850s until 1948, Jerusalem enjoyed a Jewish majority. It was in 1948, when the Jordanians ethnically cleansed east Jerusalem of the Jewish population, that the Arabs tipped the balance of power.

In reality, it was the UN that illegally negated its own charter's Article 80 which allowed the Jewish people to legally make western Palestine, land west of the Jordan River, the Jewish homeland. Resolution 181 illegally partitioned Palestine once again. Also, the Geneva Convention's Article 49 refers to the inhabiting of land by a conquering power of a sovereign nation. Israel in a defensive war captured Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, which had conquered a territory, not a nation.

It was not the Israelis who dealt a blow to the peace talks. It is the Arab leadership, as they plainly want to control Jerusalem, the West Bank and eventually all of Israel as part of their plan to get rid of non-Muslim sovereignty in the Middle East.

 

[earth_as_one]

I'm against ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I support freedom of religion. Judaism does not advocate what Zionists do to non-Jewish Palestinians any more than Islam advocates attacking innocent civilians.

I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 10,000 Jews from the West Bank and Gaza in 1947-49. I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 non-Jews from what became Israel at the same time. I do not support the 60+ years of oppression and injustice suffered by millions of Palestinians. I don't support denying food and medicine from people who suffer malnutrtion and disease. I don't support destroying sanitary waste and water processing facilities. I don't support destroying wells, farms, factories, airports, power generation and distribution facilities...

As a result I don't support what Israel does or the Canadian governments support of Israeli atrocties.

 

[petros]

Amen brother!

 

[earth_as_one]

Thanks petros

 

[Liberalman]

It’s legal

Just like the state of California and New Mexico in United States of America.

The Americans are not occupying part of Mexico these two states are part of the U.S.

 

[ironsides]

I'm against ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I support freedom of religion. Judaism does not advocate what Zionists do to non-Jewish Palestinians any more than Islam advocates attacking innocent civilians.

I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 10,000 Jews from the West Bank and Gaza in 1947-49. I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 non-Jews from what became Israel at the same time. I do not support the 60+ years of oppression and injustice suffered by millions of Palestinians. I don't support denying food and medicine from people who suffer malnutrtion and disease. I don't support destroying sanitary waste and water processing facilities. I don't support destroying wells, farms, factories, airports, power generation and distribution facilities...

As a result I don't support what Israel does or the Canadian governments support of Israeli atrocties.

It was not the Israelis who dealt a blow to the peace talks. It is the Arab leadership, as they plainly want to control Jerusalem, the West Bank and eventually all of Israel as part of their plan to get rid of non-Muslim sovereignty in the Middle East.

 

[earth_as_one]

It’s legal

Just like the state of California and New Mexico in United States of America.

The Americans are not occupying part of Mexico these two states are part of the U.S.

When did the US start ethnically cleansing California and New Mexico?

Or did you mean that Israel has recognized that Palestinians have the same rights as everyone else just like the residents of California and New Mexico. When did Israel grant all Palestinians Israeli citizenship and give them the same rights as Jewish Israelis? Last I heard, millions of Palestinians continue to suffer injustice and oppression at the hands of the Israeli government.

Or did you mean that the US government, like the Israeli government is currently seizing property from one group of people in California and New Mexico in order to build colonies for another group of people based on race and religion?

If I recall, when the US took over these states, the residents were welcome to stay and they got the same rights as everyone else regardless of race or religion, unlike what's going on in Israel.

When Israel conquered Palestine, they drove hundreds of thousands of people off the land and in violation of international laws, treaties and conventions, refused to allow these people to return. In 1967, Israel expanded its territory and has been seizing land for Jewish only conlonies ever since. Is this going on in California and New Mexico too?

 

[MHz]

It was not the Israelis who dealt a blow to the peace talks. It is the Arab leadership, as they plainly want to control Jerusalem, the West Bank and eventually all of Israel as part of their plan to get rid of non-Muslim sovereignty in the Middle East.

You really are going to have to change that 'no party affiliation'. Pretty hard to misunderstand who is wrecking the peace talks ..... again.

"Our message is clear: We are planting here, we will stay here, we will build here, this place will be an inseparable part of the State of Israel for eternity," Netanyahu said in the Gush Etzion enclave.

Palestinians: Netanyahu's claim to West Bank destroys peace efforts - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[Goober]

I'm against ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I support freedom of religion. Judaism does not advocate what Zionists do to non-Jewish Palestinians any more than Islam advocates attacking innocent civilians.

I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 10,000 Jews from the West Bank and Gaza in 1947-49. I do not support the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 non-Jews from what became Israel at the same time. I do not support the 60+ years of oppression and injustice suffered by millions of Palestinians. I don't support denying food and medicine from people who suffer malnutrtion and disease. I don't support destroying sanitary waste and water processing facilities. I don't support destroying wells, farms, factories, airports, power generation and distribution facilities...

As a result I don't support what Israel does or the Canadian governments support of Israeli atrocties.

EAOAnd what about the Jews that were forced out of Arab Countries - Also the Arabs that left were promised the spoils of war but had to leave so the massive Armies cobbled together by the Arabs was goining to destroy Isreal - genocide was the plan - Guess you forgot that -PS more than 10 thousand Jews were forcibly removed from Arab Countries.

 

[Goober]

You really are going to have to change that 'no party affiliation'. Pretty hard to misunderstand who is wrecking the peace talks ..... again.

"Our message is clear: We are planting here, we will stay here, we will build here, this place will be an inseparable part of the State of Israel for eternity," Netanyahu said in the Gush Etzion enclave.

Palestinians: Netanyahu's claim to West Bank destroys peace efforts - Haaretz - Israel News

And if you are into quotes - What have Hamas, Hexbollah, Iran's Imanutjob along with others in the Iranian Govt promised for the jews of Isreal - It ain't Christmas presents for sure- So when you pull you finger out of your ass with quotes by politicians please include the ones from the orgs named that promise genocide for the Jews.

 

[Spade]

Judaism is a religion.
Israel is a country.
Are they synonymous, Goober?

 

[Goober]

Judaism is a religion.
Israel is a country.
Are they synonymous, Goober?

Spade
Comparable somewhat to how Saudi is - Many Arab countries - one just named a Jew as a Minister of the Govt - they have a grand total of 36 Jews in that country. But 20 % of the Isreali population is Arab.

 

[MHz]

And if you are into quotes - What have Hamas, Hexbollah, Iran's Imanutjob along with others in the Iranian Govt promised for the jews of Isreal - It ain't Christmas presents for sure- So when you pull you finger out of your ass with quotes by politicians please include the ones from the orgs named that promise genocide for the Jews.

Do you mean like their own God? You forgot Satan is still coming top the party.
Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
Eze:39:24:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.

 

[Goober]

Do you mean like their own God? You forgot Satan is still coming top the party.
Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
Eze:39:24:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.

Never mind those quotes - What about your friends as i mentioned earlier - I will list them again as you seemed to have overlooked them.And if you are into quotes - What have Hamas, Hexbollah, Iran's Imanutjob along with others in the Iranian Govt promised for the jews of Isreal - It ain't Christmas presents for sure-