Haiti - Some facts and figures

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Please note: "Aid" is not free money. It is loans.

Petros

Yes the US, Canada, UK, Germany, France and other Govt Aid are loans as it is borrowed money - But are you implying that Haiti has to repay this?
 

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What a bunch of morons -

One day the US will say - No, we are not going to help -
If you have the equipment to oppress the world claiming it to be for the good of man and use it daily you are obligated to use that equip for aid as quickly as it can be deployed for war.

Not too hard to understand why many are upset.
 

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If you have the equipment to oppress the world claiming it to be for the good of man and use it daily you are obligated to use that equip for aid as quickly as it can be deployed for war.

Not too hard to understand why many are upset.

Petros

Thing about what military equipment it is made to do and the troops are trained to use it in all types of conditions - From Choppers delivering aid to inaccessible areas - to Carrier groups providing command and control of airspace - hospital ships - field hospitals - water treatment equipment - heavy equipment to clear roads - build and or repair roads and bridges - and the list goes on

Have mistakes been - Yes - Every natural disaster is different - from infrastructure destroyed or repairable - to the difficulty in supplying food and medicine in the mountains of Pakistan when they had their quake - Each one is different - each one had mistakes -


But Haiti for some has turned out to be another opportunity to slam the US -
 
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Petros

Yes the US, Canada, UK, Germany, Franceand other Govt Aid are loans as it is borrowed money - But are you implying that Haiti has to repay this?
Of course they do. US, Canada, UK, Germany, France or any other country has the authority to create a penny to loan to another country without borrowing it at interest first. They may not pay us back with cash but they will pay with goods or giving up resources.

Tell me why African nations are twice as poor as they were 20 years ago but are leading oil, gold, gem, and agro producers today?
 
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Thing about what military equipment it is made to do and the troops are trained to use it in all types of conditions - From Choppers delivering aid to inaccessible areas - to Carrier groups providing command and control of airspace - hospital ships - field hospitals - water treatment equipment - heavy equipment to clear roads - build and or repair roads and bridges - and the list goes on

Have mistakes been - Yes - Every natural disaster is different - from infrastructure destroyed or repairable - to the difficulty in supplying food and medicine in the mountains of Pakistan when they had their quake - Each one is different - each one had mistakes -


But Haiti for some has turned out to be another opportunity to slam the US
Do armies need highways or roads? Was there damage at the airport? 10 minutes AFTER the quake an American Airlines (flight 18something something) managed to take off no problems. All the flights after that were inbound C130's full of troops to protect "high value assets" and rescue the elite whites and stop and exodus to the DR but no aid for three days.

Media was there and took up valueable air cargo space and human resources that should have been trained First Responders.

Was CNN's Sanjay Gupta there to do humanitarian work or earn his Time/Warner cheque?

There is no shortage of farmland just 20km from downtown to set up a camp and airstrip long enough to land the Titanic.
 
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Of course they do. US, Canada, UK, Germany, France or any other country has the authority to create a penny to loan to another country without borrowing it at interest first. They may not pay us back with cash but they will pay with goods or giving up resources.

Tell me why African nations are twice as poor as they were 20 years ago but are leading oil, gold, gem, and agro producers today?

Petros

I am sure that having totally corrupt govts would have nothing to do with it -

Why is the average Nigerian living in poverty - Good Govt they have - all the West fault - perhaps you should take an interest in how China is buying up a lot of African resources and I am sure no bribes were involved - Nope - No Sirree - Totally honest those Chinese -

It is all the US Govts fault -

Never mind that the former USSR used Africa and SA as a battleground during the Cold War -
 

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Do armies need highways or roads? Was there damage at the airport? 10 minutes AFTER the quake an American Airlines (flight 18something something) managed to take off no problems. All the flights after that were inbound C130's full of troops to protect "high value assets" and rescue the elite whites and stop and exodus to the DR but no aid for three days.

Media was there and took up valueable air cargo space and human resources that should have been trained First Responders.

Was CNN's Sanjay Gupta there to do humanitarian work or earn his Time/Warner cheque?


There is no shortage of farmland just 20km from downtown to set up a camp and airstrip long enough to land the Titanic.


CBC radio news tonight - Port in Haiti destroyed - 2 million homeless - it take time - Most of the supplies now have to come overland from the Dominican - Again the US is at fault.
 

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Petros

I am sure that having totally corrupt govts would have nothing to do with it -

Why is the average Nigerian living in poverty - Good Govt they have - all the West fault - perhaps you should take an interest in how China is buying up a lot of African resources and I am sure no bribes were involved - Nope - No Sirree - Totally honest those Chinese -

It is all the US Govts fault -

Never mind that the former USSR used Africa and SA as a battleground during the Cold War -
Govt? Who said anything about US govt?
 

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CBC radio news tonight - Port in Haiti destroyed - 2 million homeless - it take time - Most of the supplies now have to come overland from the Dominican - Again the US is at fault.
Why do you say they are at fault? Is ther a difference between a PORT and AIRPORT? Flight 12 now leaving from wharf 3?
 

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Why do you say they are at fault? Is ther a difference between a PORT and AIRPORT? Flight 12 now leaving from wharf 3?
Petros my friend -
I had the impression that you were lining up to blame the US - Again my apologies.
 

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Nope. I'm disappointed in ALL the govts who sat on their asses or sent resources to help the white elite first.

I DO find it very very very odd that the Pentagon is involved for the first time in a natural disaster. Why?

If they want to head the teams then by golly "be all you can be" and get off your brass laden asses.
 

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Nope. I'm disappointed in ALL the govts who sat on their asses or sent resources to help the white elite first.

I DO find it very very very odd that the Pentagon is involved for the first time in a natural disaster. Why?

If they want to head the teams then by golly "be all you can be" and get off your brass laden asses.
Petros
You are somewhat in error - The US Military was involved in Tsunami relief- The quake in Pakistan to name 2
 

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Not on in this level and the type of personnel involved.
PetrosPerhaps not on the same scale but haiti is much closer than pakistan and the areas affected by the Tsunami - http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia/south_asia_quake

/http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=31367&archive=true

[URL="http://www.defense.gov/home/features/tsunami/index.html"]http://www.defense.gov/home/features/tsunami/index.html[/URL]

[URL="http://www.pacom.mil/special/0412asia/index.shtml"]http://www.pacom.mil/special/0412asia/index.shtml[/URL]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093002322.html
 

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That was a very honourable thing Goober, when we are wrong and admit it we feel better. You should start every post with an apology, you will be very happy.:smile:
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Then I would be stating that every post I made was incorrect - Yes - No ?

Regardless off to bed - up to start work at 5 am- pleasant dreams - In the electric universe.
 

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PetrosPerhaps not on the same scale but haiti is much closer than pakistan and the areas affected by the Tsunami - http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia/south_asia_quake

/http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=31367&archive=true

[URL="http://www.defense.gov/home/features/tsunami/index.html"]http://www.defense.gov/home/features/tsunami/index.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.pacom.mil/special/0412asia/index.shtml[/URL]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093002322.html
Yup. Help for Pakistan came from Afghanistan in the form of Chinooks until USAID took over. Did they send Special Forces those times too?
 

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Was not aware of those delays - But if accurate it is really disgusting -

I noted my dear friend JBeee started a tread comparing the US Policy of not accepting a massive flood of Haitian refugees as comparable to the Western World - He singles out the US as usual - but the Western World closed their doors to Jewish refugees -

As I mentioned in this thread - regardless of what the US does some creature surfaces and finds fault in everything -

I wonder how many hundreds of Billions of dollars the Us has provided since 1945 forward - Not linked aid - just plain old money for this program and that -

Haitian Refuges will not and I say not gain admittance to any country due to the quake - Millions of refugees - Now who and what Govt would do that - None -

Natural disasters happen. recall the Tsunami, the Quake in Pakistan -
Did we see the same outpouring of "we must accept these people into Canada - US - Europe" -

No - Why - simply cost effective to rebuild than transport, support, find employment, housing etc and now a recession. Yet the US gets singled out as racist -

What a bunch of morons -

One day the US will say - No, we are not going to help -


I heard that as of yesterday food and water was available to everyone, they stand on long lines, but everyone should be getting fed. The main problems now seem to be with medical supplies and the need for more doctors.

JBeee as usual is wrong, there are planes loads of Haitians coming into South Florida every day. The U.S. is giving them 18 month non resident status so they can go get jobs, after the 18 months they may able to apply for citizenship if they want or renew their non resident cards.