H1N1 Vaccine - An American Perspective

talloola

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of course I did, and his/her conclusions are NOT based on fact...period. Of course there were no blind tests done specifically for the H1N1 shot, just like there are no blind tests done on the seasonal flu shot. They were all done when the original flu shots were developed. He's a f*cking idiot trying to spread fear and panic because he doesn't have enough brains to understand what he is writing about.

I'm with you on this one
 

JLM

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I'm with you on this one

Yep, I think for all practical intents and purposes one can conclude that the flu shot is safe..............notwithstanding the fact that on your way to get it a spuknik could fall out of the sky and land on your head.:lol::lol:
 

talloola

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Yep, I think for all practical intents and purposes one can conclude that the flu shot is safe..............notwithstanding the fact that on your way to get it a spuknik could fall out of the sky and land on your head.:lol::lol:

is it still up there? lol lol
 

countryboy

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what "facts" did he present to justify his statement that 1000's have died after recieving the shot? I didn't see any "facts", only his own biased suppositions.

From the article:

Think about this: 80% of Americans refused to get vaccinated against swine flu. That's roughly 240 million people.

Most of those 240 million people were probably exposed to the H1N1 virus at some point over the last six months because the virus was so widespread.

How many of those 240 million people were actually killed by H1N1? Given the CDC's claimed total of deaths at 11,160, if you take 80% of that (because that's the percentage who refused to be vaccinated), you arrive at 8,928. So roughly 8,900 people died out of 240 million. That's a death rate among the un-vaccinated population of .0000372

With a death rate of .0000372, the swine flu killed roughly 1 out of every 26,700 people who were NOT vaccinated. So even if you skipped the vaccine, you had a 26,699 out of 26,700 chance of surviving.

Those are pretty good odds. Ridiculously good. You have a 700% greater chance of being struck by lightning in your lifetime, by the way.
 

countryboy

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The "messenger" agreed with the message he was delivering.

So (apparently) did 80% of the American public. At least, they didn't get the shot. I thought that was a fairly high number and worth some discussion. I guess you disagree, right?
 

gerryh

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and your point is? have you decided to change the thrust of the argument from the vaccine doesn't work to the vaccine isn't needed? Is this what you usually do
when you are losing? Change the game?
 

countryboy

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I'm not here to be polite...you want polite, sit in on your local womens church group. I'll tell it the way I see it.

Well, I like women quite a lot but they wouldn't let me join their group. They politely turned down my application for associate membership. :lol:
 

countryboy

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and your point is? have you decided to change the thrust of the argument from the vaccine doesn't work to the vaccine isn't needed? Is this what you usually do
when you are losing? Change the game?

I didn't realize we were in a 'win or lose' game here. I thought it was a discussion...must have been mistaken. Sorry about that.
 

Cliffy

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My doctor on the other hand, doesn't. She has no pharmaceutical sponsor.
This is not true. Pharmaceutical companies underwrite medical schools, their curriculum and medical journals and assert a lot of influence on doctors by giving them free drugs and literature promoting their products. The entire allopathic medical industry is sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies.

This whole pandemic scare is about making billions in profits and little to do with anything else.
 

JLM

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This is not true. Pharmaceutical companies underwrite medical schools, their curriculum and medical journals and assert a lot of influence on doctors by giving them free drugs and literature promoting their products. The entire allopathic medical industry is sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies.

This whole pandemic scare is about making billions in profits and little to do with anything else.

Sometimes I think the pharmaceutical drugs are almost as bad as the street drugs. It would sure be nice if someone could just take charge and decide which ones are necessary (I'm sure there's a few that are) and wing the rest in the dumpster. The other day I went in the drugstore to get some vitamin D pills for the grand daughters and me (as I know there are virtually no sources of vitamin D at this time of year) Well, Christ I'll bet there were 500 different kinds of vitamin pills on the same shelves (there was probably 15 different varieties of vitamin D) What's going on? You need vitamin C you eat an orange or a tomato, you need vitamin A you eat a carrot, you need any of the Bs you eat some bran. What is the matter with people? People are not just physically sick but absolutely mentally bonkers. But life is better today than '59....................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

TenPenny

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About the author: Mike Adams is a natural health researcher and author with a mission to teach personal and planetary health to the public

Says it all right there.

Sorry, but I'll stick with real medicine.

My brother told me in the area he practices in, there were dozens of school age kids hospitalized with H1N1, who didn't have the shot, and he's never seen that with regular flu in the last 20 years.

I know several people who had the shot, and got a case of flu, but it only lasted 1-2 days and wasn't nearly as severe.

Now, I know this is anecdotal, but I'm convinced that the H1N1 shot made the effects on many people much, much milder than it would have been without it.

If you want to believe in nuts, roots, and burning incense, go ahead.