911 take 911

[Kakato]

Was this stuff even available to the public in 2001?

MS flight sims been out a long time,I think my first version was 2000.
When my moms boyfriend crashed we bought her the whole setup as she wouldnt fly anymore and I have the gear here and it's old enough that I would have to fire up my pentium one to use it as theres no game port on my pc for it so its been around for awhile.

 

[darkbeaver]

Realist?

I know I saw a plane hit the building so thats the truth.
The truth movement call themselves that,I didnt apply the label to them,they did.

Realists don't play with sims superK.

 

[Kakato]

Realists don't play with sims superK.

Good practice for when the pilot hands me the stick in the otter or longranger flying in an out of camp.

 

[darkbeaver]

Good practice for when the pilot hands me the stick in the otter or longranger flying in an out of camp.

Yes, that would settle it wouldn't it. I suppose it would be handy if you didn't go into hysterics.:lol:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Let me see: first he comes up with the idea that the fires started in the buildings couldn't have been hot enough to affect the steel girders and points to a lot of smoke coming from the buildings as proof; steel starts losing its structural strength at kitchen oven temperatures and plastics, furniture varnishes, etc. release a lot of smoke when burning.

Some folks have no understanding of metalurgy

Another "theory": he says the planes were remotely controlled to fly into the buildings. Planes are loaded with redundant systems and they go through quite a few periodical checks to make sure systems are working. So, in the short time between take off and impact the terrorists would have had to disable these redundant systems in order for all these remote devices to act.
Need I go on?

Or reality

 

[Kakato]

Some folks have no understanding of metalurgy



Or reality

Your a pilot so maybe you can explain those devices.
I was thinking of the ELT's earlier and not familiar with any transponders.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

You don't have to disable anything, a code is sent (turning off the transponder would do it) and then remote control is used, that is the whole purpose of anti-hijacking software. Read up on how that system actually works.

WTF?? Do you know what a transponder is? Or what it does? Anti-hijacking software?? You've gotta be friggin' kidding. You really have no idea do you? Geez, it drives me nuts when folks make up stuff that have no basis in reality.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Your a pilot so maybe you can explain those devices.
I was thinking of the ELT's earlier and not familiar with any transponders.

I'll try when I get a chance, but I've spent the last 2 days boring holes in the sky and I'm a bit tired. I can only do so much.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Quit Blatantly Trolling each other....there's more than just this One Thread,
& I can only remove the Blatantly Trolling Posts just so quickly before the
other quotes it to further that nonsense. If a post is only made to poke
each other in the ribs....then it doesn't need to be made.

 

[darkbeaver]

You spelleed Quit wrong.

 

[Ron in Regina]

You spelleed Quit wrong.

It happens....I was in a hurry. :lol:

 

[countryboy]

It happens....I was in a hurry. :lol:

Quite so. It happens to me all the time!

 

[MHz]

Quit Blatantly Trolling each other....there's more than just this One Thread,
& I can only remove the Blatantly Trolling Posts just so quickly before the
other quotes it to further that nonsense. If a post is only made to poke
each other in the ribs....then it doesn't need to be made.

Unlike the one below.

Some folks have no understanding of metalurgy
Or reality

There are more detailed reports but this one is a good summary.
World Trade Center 1: There Was No Inferno

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I'll say what I can before bed, I'm no techno geek, but Flight Data and Cockpit Voice Recorders, (only the uninformed call them black boxes, they are orange) record data pertinent to the flight. Cockpit door openings? Ooookayyyy... We have had many debates using FDR data on things as insignificant as when an airplane actually touched down, there is plenty of room for interpretation of the data, yeah, it is that exact, not. Each company had its own Standard Operating Procedures, I don't know what they were for American or United, but they didn't change that much between companies. Some aircraft didn't even have electric locks, we didn't. It wasn't SOP to lock the door after takeoff in most cases. We even had an open door policy at one time. I do know how the the hijackers used companies' SOP's to their advantage though, but I won't get into that.

Primary Surveillance Radar picks up everything, including geese, and trucks, in places like Winnipeg. Transponders are set to a code so the information of the flight is displayed on radar, i.e. flight number, type, speed, alititude. If the code is mis set, Air Traffic Control cannot even see the aircraft on Secondary Radar, it happens all the time. There are discreet codes that can be set for things like emergency, communication failure, unlawful interferance, etc. Only transponder information is picked up by Secondary Surveillance Radar so as to reduce the ground clutter recieved by Primary Radar.. I can't explain it all, maybe there is an Air Traffic Controller here that can.

 

[Kakato]

Unlike the one below.


There are more detailed reports but this one is a good summary.
World Trade Center 1: There Was No Inferno

The firefighters disagree with you and they were there,of course they were in on it,all part of Bushco's master plan at world domination.;-)

“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory
​

Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context...
I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Gregory_Stephen.txt
Let me guess why they left that important part out..

“t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera
​

SO WE WERE PRETTY MUCH-MOST OF THE WORKERS WERE INSIDE THIS BUILDING. I LIKE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF ITS FIVE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR FOUR WORLD TRADE CENTER. MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE CHIEF OR THE CAPTAIN SAID IF YOU WANT YOU CAN STAY INSIDE THAT BUILDING. BUT I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS TERRORIST ATTACK SO I WAS SCARED. EVERY TIME YOU HEAR PLANE EVERYONE WOULD RUN. SO I PRETTY MUCH STOOD AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE. I WOULD SEE TRIAGE, BUT I WAS PRETTY MUCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
THEN THAT'S WHEN-I KEPT ON WALKING CLOSE TO THE SOUTH TOWER, AND THAT'S WHEN THAT BUILDING COLLAPSED.
Q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?
A: THAT NOISE .IT WAS NOISE.
Q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?
A: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS-DO YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR "POP, POP, POP, POP, POP"? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN I HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE, THAT'S WHEN I SAW THE BUILDING COMING DOWN.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110035.PDF
First, notice he and everyone else was scared of TERRORISTS. What do TERRORIST DO? So it's not unreasonable for someone who is thinking TERRORIST to hear the sound of huge concrete floors falling one on top of the other to think "BOMB" first. As I said, No one has ever seen an airplane hit buildings constructed like this and the collapse of this odd combination.

“There was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse." --Chief Frank Cruthers
​

there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. it appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Cruthers.txt
And why wouldn't floors falling around the building NOT APPEAR to be an EXPLOSION... :blink:

"I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.” --Paramedic Kevin Darnowski
​

Again, just more sounds like explosions as floors ram into each other. Note he doesn't say he SAW three explosions.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110202.PDF
And here is the outright LIE...

“ we heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down.” -- Firefighter Craig Carlsen
​

Note where these liars put the "...."
Now for the REAL quote...
I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110505.PDF
With that alone I should rest my case. These CT sites are dishonest.
Here is the other lie, they split up those quotes to make it seem like there are more people hearing explosions than there really are. You have paramedic Daniel Rivera's interview split in two and Stephen Gregory's interview split in two, as if there are different people hearing different explosions. They flood you with quotes hoping you won't notice. What other reason would they have for splitting them up???

“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." -- Captain Karin Deshore
​

MY BACK WAS TOWARDS THE BUILDING, TRYING TO PUSH EVERYBODY UP.
GRASSY HILL WAS THERE AND UP UNDERNEATH THAT OVERPASS, WHEN SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY SHOUTED AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT WAS, "IT'S BLOWING".
I HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. I NEVER TURNED AROUND BECAUSE A SOUND CAME FROM SOMEWHERE THAT NEVER HEARD BEFORE. SOME PEOPLE COMPARED IT WITH AN AIRPLANE. IT WAS THE WORST SOUND OF ROLLING SOUND, NOT A THUNDER CAN'T EXPLAIN IT, WHAT IT WAS. ALL I
KNOW IS -- AND FORCE STARTED TO COME HIT ME IN MY BACK. I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. YOU HAD TO BE THERE. ALL I KNOW IS -- HAD TO RUN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.
...I WAS UNAWARE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST MAJOR EXPLOSION I DIDN'T KNOW THE BUILDING WAS COLLAPSING
SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THERE WAS THIS ORANGE AND RED FLASH COMING OUT. INITIALLY IT WAS JUST ONE FLASH. THEN THIS FLASH JUST KEPT POPPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING HAD STARTED TO EXPLODE. THE POPPING SOUND, AND WITH EACH POPPING SOUND IT WAS INITIALLY AN ORANGE AND THEN RED FLASH CAME OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN IT WOULD JUST GO ALL AROUND THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES AS FAR AS COULD SEE. THESE POPPING SOUNDS AND THE EXPLOSIONS WERE GETTING BIGGER GOING BOTH UP AND DOWN AND THEN ALL AROUND THE BUILDING.
It's time to see a transformer explosion.
http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion
All these buildings had transformers and transformer vaults.
SO HERE THESE EXPLOSIONS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND LOUDER AND BIGGER AND LOUDER AND I TOLD EVERYBODY IF THIS BUILDING TOTALLY EXPLODES, STILL UNAWARE THAT THE OTHER BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED, IM GOING IN THE WATER.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110192.PDF

“I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion.” -- Captain Jay Swithers
​

When I was giving her the oxygen, setting up the tank, you could hear a loud rumble. Somebody said run for your life. I turned to see who was yelling "run".
At that point I looked back and most of the people who were triaged in that area with the triage tags on them got up and ran. I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
But one thing that did happen was an ambulance pulled up which was very clean. So I assumed that the vehicle had not been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was the first collapse.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110172.PDF
First he heard the rumble. Not the so called "Explosion" which he never saw. Then he thought he heard an explosion because he saw the debris falling away from the building. He had TERRORIST on his mind and jumped to the conclusion that it was a bomb. You don't have to be a psychologist here.

Fire officer Paul Isaac Jr. asserted that 9-11 was an inside job last September 11 at ground zero where mourners and protesters were gathered; “I know 9-11 was an inside job. The police know it’s an inside job; and the firemen know it too”, said Isaac.
"there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” --Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac
​

Paul Isaac never said anything of the kind. Another Conspiracy Theorist deception.
A video is shown on just about every conspiracy web site which shows a few fireman discussing what they heard and saw.
fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.fireman2: 2 blocks.fireman1: and we started runnin'fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-pochfireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out …fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det…fireman1: yea detonated yeafireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building, boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom…In the context of reading it off a conspiracy site, this may sound like damning evidence. They are saying “detonated” and “they had planned to take down a building”. They even say “Boom” to describe the sound. But if you hear the other things they’re saying, their body language and context outside the conspiracy theory setting, something else emerges. Before or after every description is “As if”. “As if they had planned to take down a building”. “It was as if as if they had detonated”. They also use body language to show it was the sound of the floors crashing into one another.

boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom- (hand moves down)
boom…
This could be just as powerful evidence of pancaking as the use of explosives. But the real evidence isn’t so much examining the video as examining the actions taken, or NOT taken, by the NYC Fire Department after the event. The NYC Fire Department hasn’t rallied its members to force an investigation into the possible murder of over 300 of its members. Some sites offer an explanation of this saying there was a gag order placed on the Fire Department. The only place you will find this is on conspiracy theory sites. No mention from main stream press about the hundreds if not thousands of fireman on the scene not being allowed to talk.
A glaring example of picking and choosing what to focus on is the interview with Mary Baldizzi... They point to a BBC article that says

The jet fuel caused the fire to spread so far and so fast that it effectively cut the building into two. For the 6,000 people below where the plane had hit the staircases still offered a means of escape, but for the 950 caught above the point of impact and the fire there was no way out.
​

The argument is made that towers fell because of separate detonations. As proof, they offered the case of Mary Baldizzi who supposedly had escaped the 104th floor of the World Trade Center's North Tower by elevator. Thus, the only way she could have escaped via elevator was if the core was intact at least to the 104th floor.

When I watched the video, I thought, if there had been a survivor from above the impact zone in Tower 1, it would have been widely broadcast. So, logically, I searched online for either confirmation or repudiation. I found neither. What I did find was the repeated use of Ms. Baldizzi's story as evidence in various alternative theories (i.e., other than fire) for the collapse of the towers.

Returning to the original video, I watched it several more times. After listening closely to Ms. Baldizzi's interview, I came to the conclusion that Mary Baldizzi was not on the 104th floor of the North Tower (WTC1) but was on the 104th floor of the South Tower (WTC2) and that this was a misrepresentation of her escape as having been from WTC1. Here are the reasons I came to this conclusion:

1. Although the newswomen began the interview stating that Mary Baldizzi had come down the elevators from the 104th floor and was in the "first tower when it was struck," at no time during the interview does Ms. Baldizzi state that she was in the North Tower. In addition, none of the graphics that accompany the interview claim that Ms. Baldizzi was in the North Tower. When Ms. Baldizzi is asked if she felt the impact, she says "Oh yeah." But the effects she describes -- feeling the heat, experiencing the shaking, hearing the explosion -- are all effects experienced by those who were in the South Tower on the floors adjacent to the impact zone (see:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-02-choices-usat_x.htm ). If she had been in the North Tower when it was hit then she would have described the impact in much less casual terms.

2. Around 5 minutes and 20 seconds into the interview, the interviewers ask about Ms. Baldizzi's coworkers. Ms. Baldizzi's states that she does not know the whereabouts of her fellow employees and proceeds to state, around 5:55 of the interview, that she has no way of contacting them other than to "call [the] main office in Illinois." Now, the offices on the 104th floor of the North Tower were occupied exclusively by Cantor Fitzgerald, while offices on the 104th floor of the South Tower were occupied by Sandler O'Neill (see: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html). Cantor Fitzgerald does not have a main office in Illinois (see: http://www.cantor.com/contact/). Sandler O'Neill, on the other hand, does have a central office in Chicago (see: http://www.sandleroneill.com/). This suggests that Ms. Baldizzi was an employee of Sandler O'Neill (in the South Tower) rather than Cantor Fitzgerald (in the North Tower).

3. Finally, and conclusively, at 6:15 in the interview Ms. Baldizzi begins a discussion about what she and her coworkers did when they exited the building. She clearly says: "There were police officers, thank God, that were aiming us towards Liberty St. because we stupidly walked towards One World Trade because we didn't know; we had no idea it was a terrorist attack." Now, if Ms. Baldizzi had been in One World Trade Center (i.e., the North Tower) there is no way she would have described her egress as "towards One Word Trade" because no matter in which direction she walked she would have been going away from One World Trade. This point proves, beyond any doubt, that Ms. Baldizzi exited from the South Tower and that the mistaken announcement at the beginning of the interview that she was in the North Tower was just one of the miscommunications and misunderstandings in the chaos of those early days.
I concluded that Ms. Baldizzi exited Tower 2 at the same time many others in the building did: after the North Tower was hit but before the South Tower was hit. If she was "dragged" into the elevator within seconds after the first tower was hit, and if the elevator ride took about 4 minutes, she would've been out of the building well before the South Tower was hit.

USA Today
As you can see the South Tower core was not damaged as much because of large, heavily constructed elevator equipment which protected it anyway.
There were two freight elevators that serviced the 104th floor.

Cars #6 and #50 serviced the 104th floor, lobby and basement levels.

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• Car #5: B1-5, 7, 9-40, 44
• Car #6: B1-5, 44, 75, 77-107 *
• Car #17: B1-1, 41, 43-78
• Car #48: B1-7, 9-40
• Car #49: B1-5, 41-74
• Car #50: B6-108 *
• Car #99: 107-110

There were two express elevators to Windows on the World (and related conference rooms and banquet facilities) in WTC 1 and two to the observation deck in WTC 2.

pg 34 (adobe pg 72)

NIST NCSTAR 1-7 (Draft)

Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster
Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications (Draft)
There were firemen who radioed in after being stuck in the elevator moments before the south tower collapsed.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/wtcaudio/wtcaudio8.html
So there were elevators working in the south tower AFTER the impact. But what's important here is that the interview is being taken out of context. A theme which seems to run strong with these conspiracy theorists.
Thanks to Scott S Coastal and Drval.
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[Kakato]

And theres more.

Memorial Service was held
on October 13, 2001​

The fireman's quote saying all that was needed was two fire hoses to put out the fires is taken out of context by conspiracy theorists. They even bring the dead fireman's wife into the picture. From a well known conspiracy theory site...

“Seven minutes before the collapse, battalion chief Palmer is heard to say "Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines." The widow of Chief Palmer was allowed to hear the tape before excerpts were released by the Times. She said:
I didn't hear fear, I didn't hear panic. When the tape is made public to the world, people will hear that they all went about their jobs without fear, and selflessly.

Palmer called for a pair of engine companies to fight the fires. The fact that veteran firefighters showed no sign of fear or panic, and had a coherent plan for fighting the fire, contradicts the official explanation of the collapses that the fires were so hot and extensive that they weakened the steel structure. “​

Firefighter's quotes are routinely taken out of context by 9/11 conspiracy sites. The conspiracy theorists use the quote above to suggest the fire was never large enough to cause the steel to melt. Let's forget that the NIST never said the steel needed to melt for a moment. But the steel did have to have enough fire to expand and weaken the steel. They point to the fireman saying "We should be able to knock it down with two lines" as in two fire hoses. Sounds small, doesn't it? But let's examine the quote further...
"Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"
Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."
Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."
Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."
Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"
Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."
Recorded audio of the actual event..
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/wtcaudio/wtcaudio9.html
Now look at this...
USA Today
South tower is WTC 2.
The glaringly obvious logical problems with using Orio Palmers quote are:

• Orio Palmer was in the South Staircase (Adam) on the South Tower which was not damaged because of large, heavily constructed elevator equipment which protected it.
• It’s not unreasonable to expect two small fires on a floor where only a wing tip entered. What was above those floors is the question not answered by the fireman’s quote.
• The 78th floor was a sky lobby which didn’t have much office furniture to catch fire. If there were two small fires on the 78th floor where just a wing tip entered, what must the 81st floor be like where the nose of the aircraft hit?
• If there were small fires on the 78th floor just before collapse, does that mean the 78th floor never had larger fires?
• If he was in the staircase which is in the core, how would he know the perimeter columns were about to get pulled in?
• If he did see the building was about to collapse, why would they predict he would get on the radio instead of take immediate action to save his life?
• Why do they think the visibility from the smoke of two small fires were such that he could see to the four corners of the building?
• Why are they using this quote as a ruler by which to measure the whole building?

This quote was obviously chosen to give the reader the impression that there were only small fires throughout the event. But what is telling is the characterization of the quote. The writer says it “contradicts the official explanation”. It would actually confirm the NIST report which says the trusses heated, expanded then cooled and contracted as the fires moved on. It was the contracting trusses which pulled the columns inward causing the collapse. Once again, conspiracy theorists debunk themselves.
Below is a photo gallery which shows the progression of fire, bowing of perimeter columns and sagging trusses. It also shows why there was little fire on the 78th floor.
Photo Gallery of fire in chronological order: Fire Gallery 1 | Fire Gallery 2 | Fire Gallery 3

More fire photos: General Fire Gallery
Madrid and the phony comparison
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[MHz]

WTF?? Do you know what a transponder is? Or what it does? Anti-hijacking software?? You've gotta be friggin' kidding. You really have no idea do you? Geez, it drives me nuts when folks make up stuff that have no basis in reality.

A radio beacon that is linked to an database that carries specific identification for each particular transponder. Turning it off only takes away identification information, it does not make the craft invisible to radar. Is that close enough?
Are you doubting remote control is possible or that all current aircraft can/do have emergency systems that be directed from the ground no matter what is tried on the craft itself?
Since I didn't design any of the software I don't know what would have to be done to activate it. In selling the design feature to Boeing it would have been promoted as a safety feature in case the pilots became unable to fly.
Drones are very popular with the military these days, it was no developed in just 10 years.

 

[Kakato]

A radio beacon that is linked to an database that carries specific identification for each particular transponder. Turning it off only takes away identification information, it does not make the craft invisible to radar. Is that close enough?
Are you doubting remote control is possible or that all current aircraft can/do have emergency systems that be directed from the ground no matter what is tried on the craft itself?
Since I didn't design any of the software I don't know what would have to be done to activate it. In selling the design feature to Boeing it would have been promoted as a safety feature in case the pilots became unable to fly.
Drones are very popular with the military these days, it was no developed in just 10 years.

Do you realize how much hardware would have to be installed in the cockpit for a remote control?
There would'nt be room for the pilots and it has been done for crash tests so it's not impossible but......it would be in a commercial airliner.

A "drone" is not a boeing airliner so theres no comparison.

 

[MHz]

"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/9110505.PDF
With that alone I should rest my case. :wink: These CT sites are dishonest."

Hearing 10 explosions would mean there was a gap between each of them, in a cascade fall it would be one steady sound with no gaps only an increase in volume.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

A radio beacon that is linked to an database that carries specific identification for each particular transponder. Turning it off only takes away identification information, it does not make the craft invisible to radar. Is that close enough?
Are you doubting remote control is possible or that all current aircraft can/do have emergency systems that be directed from the ground no matter what is tried on the craft itself?
Since I didn't design any of the software I don't know what would have to be done to activate it. In selling the design feature to Boeing it would have been promoted as a safety feature in case the pilots became unable to fly.
Drones are very popular with the military these days, it was no developed in just 10 years.

You're well into Star Wars territory here. Yes, remote control is possible, feasable, and being used, but not in commercial aircraft. The friggin' autopilots still have to be monitered by warm bodies if other warm bodies rely on it to get to their destination in one piece. They are not a safety feature in the case of pilot incapacitaion but are for ease of workload. Unfortunately automation actually increases workload and today causes more problems than it was made to correct.