Should Quebec separate from Canada?

El Barto

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Quebec seperating for language reasons

I don't believe that if quebec seperated it would solve the language issue. We are still an island in a sea of anglos. I think english would actually be manditory if it did happen.
Ironically the same bozo'zs that went into power wanting seperation were the same bozos that did educational reforms that hinder the proper use of french. Basically laxed the requierments to pass. With that we have university teachers that can't even write their own language properly. Then we have also the YO factor where it is tolerated even in schools. Have you tried listening to them? I only get half of what they say.
The languag laws is a joke. It seems to blame external factors that look at internal like those i have mentioned.
To me , the seperatist have shot themselves in the foot and haven't realized it yet.
I look at my parents with grade 4 and grade 6 education and they out class university students hands down.
 

Ron in Regina

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Wouldn't happen. The province would be economically destroyed (all the multinationals would move their head quarters due to increased operating costs.) Politically it would be a joke world wide with only France really recognizing it. As for trade etc, guess which country surrounds it.... yes Canada, Quebec would be land locked except for a few ports in the northern area which are cut off half the year anyway.

They could separate but the standard of living would go so far south most people would migrate.
 

countryboy

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for ALL Canucks as one single group,, and here, and everywhere.

I think the magic words there are "ALL Canucks as one single group." I guess I just get a bit frustrated once in a while and just have to let off a bit of steam...when I read or hear "the news", I get the impression that we're fast becoming a nation of spoiled, self-centred people that want everything "my way" and "right now." That of course isn't limited to the folks who want to separate, it's all over the place.

I do get a bit irritated by the so-called political correctness and pussy-footing around when it comes to talking about real problems that need some real solutions...and if I hear that phrase, "Having said that..." from the so-called "journalists" (opinionated people with a microphone and a TV camera) and politicians, I might lose my lunch. Not a shred of originality there...

And constantly bringing up all the BS about right and left, socialism and capitalism, French and English, black and white, and everything else that is a potential for some kind of "conflict" is not going to solve a thing. Just makes it all worse.

No, I'd love to see some straight talk and more important, straight thinking about serious problems like Quebec separation, western separation (various flavours), first nations situation, and the whole shee-bang. Yes, there is some work going on here and there, but again, much of it clouded by trying to say "the right thing, the right way, at the right time."

It'll never happen of course, because "we" wouldn't allow it to..."we" would become so indignant at the first hint of straight-on common sense talk that the media would have to hire more "journalists" to make sure they could add their two cents' worth to the equation and make the entire effort even more ineffectual. And then we'd all being going around in circles again. And again. And again.

I don't know what all the answers are, but I'm pretty sure they lie within "ourselves." I don't know where else they could possibly be! However, we all have our own version of "what's right" and from what I've seen, we don't seem to have enough personal capacity to listen thoughtfully to others' opinions and positions, bend a little, and perhaps come up with something that would actually work.

I'm not saying we're "over-educated" but I wonder how we arrived at this "I know everything and you don't" mindset. Perhaps "Getting Things Done Through Teamwork 101" oughtta' be the first course on the high school menus of tomorrow...
 
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I think the magic words there are "ALL Canucks as one single group." I guess I just get a bit frustrated once in a while and just have to let off a bit of steam...when I read or hear "the news", I get the impression that we're fast becoming a nation of spoiled, self-centred people that want everything "my way" and "right now." That of course isn't limited to the folks who want to separate, it's all over the place.

I do get a bit irritated by the so-called political correctness and pussy-footing around when it comes to talking about real problems that need some real solutions...and if I hear that phrase, "Having said that..." from the so-called "journalists" (opinionated people with a microphone and a TV camera) and politicians, I might lose my lunch. Not a shred of originality there...

And constantly bringing up all the BS about right and left, socialism and capitalism, French and English, black and white, and everything else that is a potential for some kind of "conflict" is not going to solve a thing. Just makes it all worse.

No, I'd love to see some straight talk and more important, straight thinking about serious problems like Quebec separation, western separation (various flavours), first nations situation, and the whole shee-bang. Yes, there is some work going on here and there, but again, much of it clouded by trying to say "the right thing, the right way, at the right time."

It'll never happen of course, because "we" wouldn't allow it to..."we" would become so indignant at the first hint of straight-on common sense talk that the media would have to hire more "journalists" to make sure they could add their two cents' worth to the equation and make the entire effort even more ineffectual. And then we'd all being going around in circles again. And again. And again.

I don't know what all the answers are, but I'm pretty sure they lie within "ourselves." I don't know where else they could possibly be! However, we all have our own version of "what's right" and from what I've seen, we don't seem to have enough personal capacity to listen thoughtfully to others' opinions and positions, bend a little, and perhaps come up with something that would actually work.

I'm not saying we're "over-educated" but I wonder how we arrived at this "I know everything and you don't" mindset. Perhaps "Getting Things Done Through Teamwork 101" oughtta' be the first course on the high school menus of tomorrow...
We've developed our society to be confrontational. And in doing so, we've pretty much squelched most tendencies to be coordinated and cooperative. It's fool's play. And some governments and companies and others love it as it is the classical "divide and conquer" routine.
 

countryboy

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We've developed our society to be confrontational. And in doing so, we've pretty much squelched most tendencies to be coordinated and cooperative. It's fool's play.

What! Are you saying we're confrontational!?!? Whaddya' mean? ...oops, there I go with my all-Canadian response...:cool:

How come it only takes you two lines to sum it all up, while I have to struggle through paragraphs to get a simple thought across? You're hurtin' my self-esteem here... :lol::canada::lol::canada:
 

El Barto

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Wouldn't happen. The province would be economically destroyed (all the multinationals would move their head quarters due to increased operating costs.) Politically it would be a joke world wide with only France really recognizing it. As for trade etc, guess which country surrounds it.... yes Canada, Quebec would be land locked except for a few ports in the northern area which are cut off half the year anyway.

They could separate but the standard of living would go so far south most people would migrate.
wow , you need to brush up on your geography. Montreal port can head right out to sea.
 

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What! Are you saying we're confrontational!?!? Whaddya' mean? ...oops, there I go with my all-Canadian response...:cool:

How come it only takes you two lines to sum it all up, while I have to struggle through paragraphs to get a simple thought across? You're hurtin' my self-esteem here... :lol::canada::lol::canada:
hhmmm Sorry. Well, don't feel bad. Les and I both tend to cut through the bush and avoid the wiggly path. And it is frustrating because both of us have thought of trying to write books. We aren't good at embellishing so they'd turn out to be more like pamphlets. lol
 

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odd that they have the first ship in port in the new year ritual :cool: Jan 1st
I think it is perfectly natural to have the event on Jan 1. What other time would you have a ritual about the 1st ship into port of the new year?
 

El Barto

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I think it is perfectly natural to have the event on Jan 1. What other time would you have a ritual about the 1st ship into port of the new year?
Bangs head on desk * the was to mean that the ice didn't stop the port from being open 8O
you owe me some aspirines :cool:
 

AnnaG

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Bangs head on desk * the was to mean that the ice didn't stop the port from being open 8O
you owe me some aspirines :cool:
lol Sorry. I am part Irish, you know, and female.

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'Hello, Mary, how's your new false teeth?' asked Bridget.
I'm leaving them out till I get used to them!' said Mary.

'You see my real shoe size is four,' said Vera. 'But I'm wearing sevens coss fours hurt!'

As Mrs McGinty entered the house she looked up to see a ceiling 15 feet high.
'Begod,' she said to husband Seamus, 'when you said you were going to knock two rooms into one I didn't think you meant upwards!!'

'Excuse me,' said Sean to his wife as she cooks the evening meal, 'But there's a sausage on the floor.'
'Don't worry,' said Siobhan, 'I've got me foot on it!'
 

El Barto

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lol Sorry. I am part Irish, you know, and female.

Logic =

'Hello, Mary, how's your new false teeth?' asked Bridget.
I'm leaving them out till I get used to them!' said Mary.

'You see my real shoe size is four,' said Vera. 'But I'm wearing sevens coss fours hurt!'

As Mrs McGinty entered the house she looked up to see a ceiling 15 feet high.
'Begod,' she said to husband Seamus, 'when you said you were going to knock two rooms into one I didn't think you meant upwards!!'

'Excuse me,' said Sean to his wife as she cooks the evening meal, 'But there's a sausage on the floor.'
'Don't worry,' said Siobhan, 'I've got me foot on it!'
hahah aww thats cute.
consider yourself forgiven :cool:
 

countryboy

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hhmmm Sorry. Well, don't feel bad. Les and I both tend to cut through the bush and avoid the wiggly path. And it is frustrating because both of us have thought of trying to write books. We aren't good at embellishing so they'd turn out to be more like pamphlets. lol

I used to be a shortcutter too, but my style changed when I lived in the Land of the Rising Sun...had to 'splain a lot of stuff to Japanese folks, as a Canadian working for a U.S. corporation...I was the "business culture gap-filler" and it required a lot of repeats, searching for the right words, giving background on statements (a detailed & very analytical bunch over there, they are)...and so on. Some of it stayed with me and I still find it hard to not explain myself. Hence, the longwindedness!

Staying on topic, if I wrote a book on say, Quebec separating from Canada, it would likely be 1,200 pages long. If you did it, it would likely be a 4 page pamphlet that would say the same thing(s). Jeez, I gotta' start becoming a 'shorter talker!'
 

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Fine by me. We natives would love to have our own gov't and have more say than anyone else over what goes on in our traditional lands, too. hhhmmm, I guess that puts anyone of European extraction at a disadvantage. Go figure.
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