The devotion to God alone
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The word seventy is used to imply the large number; like you say: hundred times I said to you so and so.It means you said to him so many times.There is a prophetic tradition about the sects and divisions which will appear when they will be enthusiastic about men and do not devote to God alone((Jews divided into seventy-one sects, Christians divided into seventy-two sects, and my nation will divide into seventy-three sects: one of these will be saved, while all the rest will be in Fire.))Then he said: this sect is what way I am following and my companions.So the correct sect is the sect devoted to God alone and without enthusiasm to prophets, saints and imams and following the Glorious Quran.And I asked Abu-Abd-Allah the late interpreter: what's your sect or doctrine? He said I resort to the original Islam of the prophet and his companions.So it follows that the Wahhabi are the nearest to the correct way, but now they also have become somewhat traditional; and anyhow they are more correct than others. They are the people of Mecca and Hijaz more correct than others.It was originally a revolutionary movement resulted in destroying all the shrines and graves and keeping the mosques only.IMO the founder of this movement was inspired.Anyhow, I am not a Wahhabi, but Quranic.Quran Interpretation
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I forgive all their personal transgression, but not their disbelief and reviling God Almighty.
If you are truthful, why don't you keep to your "true chalice brew", while in fact all the atheism issued from you and your people?
Jews said: Be Jews and you will be guided to the true way, and Christians said like that; therefore, say to them, Mohammed: "Not so, but we follow the religion of Abraham: the devoted to God alone and Abraham was against idolatry; and he was not of those who associate [anyone with God.]"Therefore, Prophet Mohammed – salam be to him – was ordered to resort to the original pure devotion to God, which was the doctrine of Abraham the devoted to God alone.This is in the aya 2: 135وَقَالُواْ كُونُواْ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَى تَهْتَدُواْ قُلْ بَلْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَThe explanation
They say: 'Be Jews or Christians, and you will be rightly guided.' Say [to them, O Mohammed]: "Not so, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the Hanief [i.e. the monotheist]; he was not [one] of those who associate [others with God.]")Quran Interpretation
You are probably right, Cliffy. However, I don’t think the Aborigines had a written language; they could not pass on the religious doctrine in the written form (the Hindus had well developed, written language in the form of Sanskrit thousands of years ago).
In addition (I am guessing here), the Aborigine ideas of God, spirituality, afterlife etc. varied from tribe to tribe, there were probably thousands of different versions all over Australia.
So I don’t think their religion (or rather, numerous different versions of spirituality) counts as a proper, well developed religion. Their spirituality counts more as legends, fables etc., which have probably been with humankind since its inception.
But about the oldest living culture, you are probably right.
Cliffy, come to think of it, ancient India before Hinduism was probably in a comparable shape to Aborigines, with thousands of legends, fables, Gods, Goddesses floating around all over India.
However, the advantage Indians had was the written language. And somebody (or a group of scholars) probably had the acumen, the foresight to combine the thousands of legends, fables floating around into a single, unified, coherent religion namely, Hinduism. It is my guess that Hinduism combined all the Gods and Goddesses that were being worshiped in those days into a single God. Hence, the Pantheistic nature of Hindu religion (which has literally millions of Gods, but they ultimately all of them combine into one God).
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I'm pretty sure "So Damned Insane" was a Sunni, so I think we can eliminate that sect right off the bat- maybe the Kurds are the least obnoxious.
It is my understanding that the Vedas were brought to India by migrating Aryans around 5 or 6000 years ago. They also brought their religious views to the Scandinavians, Greeks and Persians. All four are heavily influenced by the Aryans and why East Indians are Caucasians.
There must have been a rollicking trade in people wa-aa-ay back when. There was a fellow around here who preached about blue-eyed Mongols. He claims they exist from Ireland all the way back to China and they're the offspring of marauding Mongol hordes. I wonder if anyone can really sort legend from fact.
Well, yes. But the Aryans who came to India were heavily influenced buy the people who already were living in India (the Dravidians mentioned in the link given by Spade). I think it was the combination of what Aryans brought along with what was existent on the ground (thousands or millions of Gods and Goddesses) that established Hinduism.
As you rightly point out, Aryans went to other places as well, but Hinduism was established only in India. I think it was the result of Aryan thinking, combined with the lore and legends of the local population.
Sorry JLM & LW but as you already know, we must have documented evidence from appropriately certified sources in order to consider any of this information as being even marginally credible. And we have people on the forum who can and will decide what will be deemed "appropriate."
Additionally, I haven't seen any links to the original documentation on much of this and my motto is, "Hey, if it ain't on Google, it doesn't exist!" :lol:
Is there anything on Google about my achin' muscles 'cuz I know fer sure they exist.... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Wouldn't forgiveness be Allah's mandate and NOT yours? Don't people get into deep dung if they pretend to be a god?
Balogna. China's had Taoists for centuries before Islam or North American society.. Buddhism is way older than Islam or North American society. Neither of those philosophies worship gods.
I think you ingest too much كحول, غول, خمور .
What difference does that make? What you said was "My hypothesis is that since Hinduism is the oldest religion on record, " so your stupid hypothesis is wrong - period.
What difference does that make? Is a tribe not a society? Do societies not establish their own beliefs?
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