The devotion to God alone
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eanassir,
Good deeds are only good if there is no expectation of reward, either from god or your peers. It comes from your heart, from love or it is something else (I'll leave that judgment up to you.)
Good deeds are only good if there is no expectation of reward, either from god or your peers. It comes from your heart, from love or it is something else (I'll leave that judgment up to you.)
The devotion to God alone
We are between two wrong extremes:
>> atheism on one hand,
>> and on the other hand the false religion of associating the patron Jesus, saints, Jewish sages, Muslim imams and the idols of idolaters together with God Almighty.
· Atheists and disbelievers always say the religion is so and so and it is bad, it is only backwardedness, myths …etc.
Certainly, not every religion is true and correct: what a great difference is between the idolatry: worshipping stones and statues on one hand, and between the devotion to God alone without associate or equal.
Therefore, this is their trick: they mix the bad religion of worshipping stones with the true religion of worshipping God alone; then they with the same design say:
all these deities: GodAllah, Yahweh), Astroth, Baal, Tur and all other gods are the same; because they are deities worshipped by people in the past and at the present.
But what a great difference is between God the Creator of the entire universe and the Lord of all nations, and between such idols as Astaroth or Tur and other stony statues and idols.
Now, I think they cannot cheat people by such tricks; people now are educated and can distinguish the truth from falsehood.
In addition, it is not every man will be guided in spite of that he may know the truth: he may be disgusted or may dislike it for many reasons, or may be proud over following the truth of the Quran and that Prophet Mohammed was the truthful apostle that conveyed the message without alteration as did he hear it from the angel.
· On the other extreme:
People should not hold fast with Jewish sages, Christian saints, and Muslim imams apart from God; neither should they sanctify their graves and shrines;
Because the saints and imams died and passed away, and their spiritual souls transferred to heaven, and went to the neighborhood of their Lord.
And none of them remained on the earth [because they were righteous and devoted to God alone, so they went to Paradise in Heaven following their death] and nothing is in their graves other than their rotten and decayed bodies.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 32: 4
اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَابَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ مَا لَكُم مِّندُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا شَفِيعٍ ..الخ
The explanation:
(It is God Who created the heavens and the earth [: the planets including the earth] and what [moons and meteorites] between them in six [of the] days [of the Hereafter.] Then He mounted the throne.
You have not, apart from Him, any patron nor any intercessor …etc.)
It means: Don't choose for yourselves, patrons, from among creatures, that you sanctify and worship besides God; eventhough they are Jesus or other prophets or angels of high rank; or you choose them as your intercessors with God;
Because, on Judgment Day, the intercession as a whole belongs to God, and no being can intercede for behalf of any other being -- unless God Himself gives them permission to do so: to save anyone from the punishment.
Moreover, the intercessor cannot intercede for the behalf of anyone whom he likes: no, the intercession is restricted for monotheists: the devoted to God alone, and not for atheists, associaters and idolaters.
quran-ayat.com/an_hour_with_ghosts.htm#The_Devotion_Should_Exclusively_Be_to_God_and_the_Intercession_Is_Up_to_Him
I put it to ennassir that Muslims are as guilty as Christians and Jews to their "devotion" to "prophets". Muhamed was JUST a prophet. No different than any of the other prophets of the Old Testament, yet he is, for some reason, elevated above them. Why is it that no likeness of Muhamed is allowed? Muhamed was a just a man, no different than any other except that "God" supposedly spoke through him to the people.
Then, the devil smiled and said to man, "Lie and tell your brothers and sisters that a better life awaits beyond the grave. I will give you dominion over them and you will prosper from their ignorance and suffering."
And, man fell!
And, man fell!
The greatest accomplishment f the devil was to convince man that he was god. How do any of the religions know if they are not suckers for the devil. Mohamed may just have been one of Satan's minions. You cannot know for sure, one way or the other.
Ah! But it is the bozos who believe in them that interfere in our lives, especially fundamentalist loonies.
Eanassir, there is some slight difference between Sun existing and God existing. Existence of Sun is a fact, existence of God is highly speculative at best, and more likely nonsense.
So it is only people that we should be concerned about and not about things that may or may not be. That's exactly what I have been saying.
I don’t know Cliffy; I think God and Devil maybe two sides of the same coin. I have mentioned it before, I have this vision of God and Devil swapping stories over a pint of beer in a tavern at the end of the day (or over a glass of white wine if they both are female).
Gawd almighty! I think you just uttered a discriminatory remark there! (I know lots of girls who like beer and white wine)...You devil, your prejudice is showing.
True. True, True.
Why is it no likeness of Mohammed is allowed? he is a human being like other people, but was a good-hearted man and God revealed to him the Quran to convey it to people. That's it. And all the rest of prophets and apostles are like him.
But only God did not speak to him; only revealed to him. God spoke to Moses.
I think if you want to see Mohammed's shape: he was like the shape of the interpreter with the exception that his mole was not on his face, but on his right shoulder.
Because it is narrated that the interpreter of the Quran in the future is most near in shape to Prophet Mohammed and most near to him in his morale and conduct.
See the picture of the interpreter in his elderly:
Man after Death
http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm
I said this to Cliffy; because he said " We see what we believe we'll see. ... if you don't, you will find no evidence for them. "
And I tell you: God's existence is more evident than the sun; because the sun is dependent on God for its existence; while God is Independent of anything: He is the Creator of the entire universe, without God no existence could have been there.
The Universe does not need a god for its existence. That is just a belief of people who can't understand science. It makes more sense to me that the Universe created itself and therefore it is god. But that does not mean it has any interest in what you think or do.
You are in extreme error when you think the universe came to existence without any Creator or Maker.
Why then you receive salary for working in Utah and elsewhere ?
To me, I need the reward of God and will not refuse any recompense from God Most Gracious in both the World and the afterlife.
But the idea is not to require the reward from people for the righteous work; as in the Quran 76: 8-10
وَيُطْعِمُونَ الطَّعَامَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ مِسْكِينًا وَيَتِيمًا وَأَسِيرًا . إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُكُمْ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ لَا نُرِيدُ مِنكُمْ جَزَاء وَلَا شُكُورًا . إِنَّا نَخَافُ مِن رَّبِّنَا يَوْمًا عَبُوسًا قَمْطَرِيرًا
The explanation:
(And they feed, for the love of [God], the needy, the orphan and the captive ––
[Saying:] "We feed you only for the sake of God; we desire no recompense from you, neither any gratitude."
"We fear of a day, from our Lord, which will be distressful and calamitous.")
http://quran-ayat.com/
(And they feed, for the love of [God], the needy, the orphan and the captive ––
[Saying:] "We feed you only for the sake of God; we desire no recompense from you, neither any gratitude."
"We fear of a day, from our Lord, which will be distressful and calamitous.")
http://quran-ayat.com/
