Demjanjuk and Sobibor

[Ron in Regina]

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[einmensch]

Demjanjuk was found guilty and sentenced to death. Evidence was produced that proved Demjanjuk was not "Ivan the Terrible"

This is round two. Many were convicted on lies and tortured confessions.

What kind of a police record does Demjanjuk have in the USA--has he been a very good boy for the last half century?

Israel and Germany agreed that no more German Nationals will be tried for war crimes.<< Is that correct?
So now the search is on to keep it alive--Demjanjuk is a Ukrainian National.

 

[einmensch]

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Took a long time, Ron.

 

[weaselwords]

Tortured confessions? One name Josef Mengele need I say more?

 

[einmensch]

"There is something slightly absurd - if not laughable - about the fact that the United States should erect a museum to the Nazi Holocaust, but not, for example, erect a museum to commemorate the African-American slavery or the extermination of the native population." Prof Norman Finkelstein

 

[darkbeaver]

Pretty much.... He's carrying on the hate.

It is peculiar but truth is very often labeled hate at first as the truth is very painful for the liar.

 

[weaselwords]

"There is something slightly absurd - if not laughable - about the fact that the United States should erect a museum to the Nazi Holocaust, but not, for example, erect a museum to commemorate the African-American slavery or the extermination of the native population." Prof Norman Finkelstein

History is written by the winners you know that. Why would the US want commerate its warts.

 

[lone wolf]

There is something slightly absurd - if not pitiful - about people who seek fault in everything to compensate for their own.

 

[einmensch]

Great replies-right on topic--

 

[einmensch]

Tortured confessions? One name Josef Mengele need I say more?

Perhaps you could read more and then you would be able to say more--ever thought of that?--I guess not--

 

[lone wolf]

Great replies-right on topic--

What IS the topic?

 

[darkbeaver]

History is written by the winners you know that. Why would the US want commerate its warts.

So who has written the holocaust histories? Who are the winners? The holocaust is, as you have no doubt heard ten million times, a wart carried by the entire western world, a wart of shame that we earned, it is said. Sometimes the other hundred million victims are mentioned. All major western cities have holocaust museums, all western nations carry out holocaust education in public schools. Nothing ventured nothing gained. We howl and bark for the persecution of small defenceless Demjanjuk but we will not even mention the war criminals of the day who have free reign in our capitals and with who we are allied. We have made a covenant with evil. Don't be shocked it's business as usual as usual.

 

[weaselwords]

What more do you need to know, its all there in black & white or are we back to the position of everything is lily white and all evidence, eye witnesses & his own writings are fraudulent and Mengele was really Albert Schwitzer in disguise.

 

[darkbeaver]

It's not all there and it's not all black and white nor been read all over. Mengele and Livni Sharon and Gobbels Netanyahoo and Hitler, the difference is we cannot stop the war crimes by executing the dead.

 

[weaselwords]

There was no winner to the Holocaust just as there was no winner for the Armenians, Ukranians, Cambodians, Africans, Aboringinals etc... It is the worlds shame & the more education to the worlds peoples the better for the mantra "Never Again" to be true.
However perpetrators must be identified and prosecuted wherever & whenever they are found there is not a statute of limitations on genocide as far as I'm concerned.

 

[weaselwords]

It's not all there and it's not all black and white nor been read all over. Mengele and Livni Sharon and Gobbels Netanyahoo and Hitler, the difference is we cannot stop the war crimes by executing the dead.

Wow your taking it to the extreme with those comparisons. Do we add the leaders of Hesbollah, el Fatah & most Arab your above notes to balance the reality.

 

[lone wolf]

Unfortunately, man is a territorial creature. Until we learn the value in a healthy dose of forgiveness, nothing will ever change

 

[Colpy]

Demjanjuk was found guilty and sentenced to death. Evidence was produced that proved Demjanjuk was not "Ivan the Terrible"

This is round two. Many were convicted on lies and tortured confessions.

What kind of a police record does Demjanjuk have in the USA--has he been a very good boy for the last half century?

Israel and Germany agreed that no more German Nationals will be tried for war crimes.<< Is that correct?
So now the search is on to keep it alive--Demjanjuk is a Ukrainian National.

Some points:

First of all, you should give credit where credit is due.......Demjamjuk was set free by who?????? The Israeli Supreme Court.....the Jews....in the nation you claim is built on, by the people you claim perpetuate, the "lie" of the Holocaust.....kinda makes your house of cards a little shakey, doesn't it?????

Secondly, I agree trying this guy after the Israelis set him free (because of "reasonable doubt" BTW, not because he is innocent..) I agree a retrial is unfair, and he should be set free.

Third, Demjamjuk's record of behaviour in the USA has nothing to do with his war time activities.......those involved in such state-organized genocide are often those most conventional in their behaviour, with great deference for the law and the power of the State....it is one reason they feel no remorse....if the State approves....it must be good, and they let their inhibitions fall away, exposing the murderous sociopaths they are.....Indeed, paradoxically, studies have shown that those who aided the Jews in occupied Europe can almost entirely be divided into two groups: the religious, who answer to a higher power, and the criminal element, who answer to no power at all.....

Fourth, on another subject, in one of your posts you use the statement of German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer that between a million and a million and a half Germans did not return from Allied POW camps as proof that Eisenhower engaged on a policy of extermination against them. Baloney. Well over a million German POWs died in the camps of the USSR..........included in Adenauer's estimate.......which brings us back to very small mortality rates in the camps run by the western powers.......

 

[darkbeaver]

There was no winner to the Holocaust just as there was no winner for the Armenians, Ukranians, Cambodians, Africans, Aboringinals etc... It is the worlds shame & the more education to the worlds peoples the better for the mantra "Never Again" to be true.
However perpetrators must be identified and prosecuted wherever & whenever they are found there is not a statute of limitations on genocide as far as I'm concerned.

Ahh no winner eh. If there was no winner then there was no loser. A license to conduct genocide may be had from one of many investment houses whos stock in trade is special dispensations for the devout.

 

[lone wolf]

Wow your taking it to the extreme with those comparisons. Do we add the leaders of Hesbollah, el Fatah & most Arab your above notes to balance the reality.

That's another topic on the same subject. If ALL parties were to aim their weapons one degree west of straight up (five if there is a breeze) and fire them all at once, resolution might be at hand.