Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes
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I fail to see a connection to the thread but anyways, your link has a funny way of saying certain things. ie "in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium" they then go on to correctly say Neb took everyone away in 597BC. Depending on what year they arrived after the exodus from slavery they may not have even bee on the promised land for a 1,000. God allowed them to return with their religion, He never gave them power of self-rule. If the Romans were such harsh rulers why no revolt for for almost 100 years. The reason for the exile was a revolt by the leaders who just happened to be the Temple elite. Spiritually the Temple was broken at the time of the cross so any work/money/effort put into it's upkeep was a waste. I also find it highly unlikely that the Temple elite suffered any hardships under the Romans. Perhaps they should have listened to some NT text about obeying the new shepherds in Christ's absence, namely in their case the Roman Govt.
Ro:13:3:
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Ro:13:4:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Ro:13:5:
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
Ro:13:6:
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
(your link)
"In 63 BC, Judaea became a protectorate of Rome. Coming under the administration of a governor, Judaea was allowed a king; "
They would have had a Roman Governor in 60BC, they certainly had one in about 30AD.
Lu:3:1:
Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,
Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea,
and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee,
and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis,
and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
They also had a king
M't:14:8:
And she,
being before instructed of her mother,
said,
Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
M't:14:9:
And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake,
and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
(your link)
"Governor's business was to regulate trade and maximize tax revenue."
Even in 30AD it was the Jews themselves who had control over those matters. Twice Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers, one of the Apostles was a former tax-collector. Several references are made to tax-collectors not being liked even back then, let alone another 40 years later.
All Christians had left Jerusalem just a few years after the cross just due to persecution from the Temple elite. 40 years down the road there would have been no Christians in Israel, the only ones left would have been those loyal to the Temple elite. Those are the ones the Romans would have killed or taken away.
Now please give me a 30 page essay on just what the hell this next quote actually means in that the ones mentioned are the same ones that plotted to kill Jesus ane they have not yet repented of any of their deeds, ie the stoning of Stephen, so why should anybody listen to a group that won't even listen to God. It would seem to be common sense for people to make sure their message includes their own fall from grace that is not yet over.
"the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe"
Now back to your regular programming.
I guess that pretty much disperses any notion that persecution of the whole population, due to the misdeeds of a few, should be viewed as being flat-out wrong. You confirm the West would do just that so why the belly-aching over what happened in a declared war?
Shouldn't all that money be returned??????
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This whole discussion is just like the futile international discussions held with Adolph Hitler and his goverment. The Issue with Iran has dragged on for several years now and has enabled that country to be at the doorstep of perfecting the nuclear weapons it is seeking. Why does the world continually wait years to come to a conclusion the always ends in the death of millions of people before acting.
It should be remembered that Iran as bad as it is, is a nation unto itself. The USA,
Russia, China and all kinds of other nations have their own defence system so why
not Iran? What they do inside their own boarders is their own business its when they
decide to attack their neighbours that is the issue. As a country that is an entity
unto itself means just that it has the freedom to do what it wants.
If it were any other way we would be going in and meddling in other nations affairs
all the time, wait a minute, we do meddle in smaller nations affairs all the time.
Years ago why didn't America get censured for segregation? Why didn't we go into
Russia and not allow them to have the bomb?
Iran having the bomb should not become an acceptable excuse to invade that country.
Ask yourself why do we have an embargo against Cuba, but an open door policy with
a much worse regime, China, because of money and power.
Russia, China and all kinds of other nations have their own defence system so why
not Iran? What they do inside their own boarders is their own business its when they
decide to attack their neighbours that is the issue. As a country that is an entity
unto itself means just that it has the freedom to do what it wants.
If it were any other way we would be going in and meddling in other nations affairs
all the time, wait a minute, we do meddle in smaller nations affairs all the time.
Years ago why didn't America get censured for segregation? Why didn't we go into
Russia and not allow them to have the bomb?
Iran having the bomb should not become an acceptable excuse to invade that country.
Ask yourself why do we have an embargo against Cuba, but an open door policy with
a much worse regime, China, because of money and power.
Nazi Germany was a nation unto itself also, if only the world acted in 1937. As for Cuba, today I agree it should be lifted. As for China, they have the money and the power to do almost anything they want as you intimated, they almost own us.
Tell you guys what. To prove your point that Iran is like Nazi Germany, make a list of countries attacked recently by Iran. Then for comparison purposes I'll see if I can create a longer list regarding both the US and Israel.
Why not ask them directly, the really bad ones were hired as teachers by the CIA.
Blinkx Video: CIA 1947
Let me try this one.
There is the complete list going back almost 200 years.
If I was a betting man I would bet for the US and Israel, done separately, it would still require a spit post.
MHZ
Many European nations disagreed with the US Intelligence finding that Iran had stopped work on nukes
So with new allegations of worked by Iran on a Nuclear trigger - will that set the pace for sanctions and then what - Blockade -
I do not see the US - Europe - Israel waiting to long - before War may begin.
Iran has not lived up to any agreements - The US and Europe- Russia & China thought they had a done deal a few months ago - Until the hardliners torpedoed it -
So I believe that the time frame between sanctions and how effective they are - will determine if Iran is bombed -
Tactical specialist have stated it would take repeated bombing runs to slow down or destroy Iran's ability to produce a nuke for many years - We all know that other targets will be destroyed as well - Air - Army and Naval units - particularly Naval due to the threat of closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
While many in the Arab world will condemn any bombings - The Saudi's and other Sunni States will be heaving a sigh of relief - They are scared shiiitless of Iran with a nuclear capability. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6956623.eceThe Obama administration has said that a Times report revealing that Iran has been secretly working on a trigger for a nuclear bomb urgently underscored the case for tough new sanctions against Tehran.
Referring to today's report, which showed that Iran has been working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb, a senior US official said: “Now that work may have been done on a trigger mechanism, this certainly gives urgency, in the absence of any meaningful response from Tehran…in terms of additional pressure on sanctions.”
Many European nations disagreed with the US Intelligence finding that Iran had stopped work on nukes
So with new allegations of worked by Iran on a Nuclear trigger - will that set the pace for sanctions and then what - Blockade -
I do not see the US - Europe - Israel waiting to long - before War may begin.
Iran has not lived up to any agreements - The US and Europe- Russia & China thought they had a done deal a few months ago - Until the hardliners torpedoed it -
So I believe that the time frame between sanctions and how effective they are - will determine if Iran is bombed -
Tactical specialist have stated it would take repeated bombing runs to slow down or destroy Iran's ability to produce a nuke for many years - We all know that other targets will be destroyed as well - Air - Army and Naval units - particularly Naval due to the threat of closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
While many in the Arab world will condemn any bombings - The Saudi's and other Sunni States will be heaving a sigh of relief - They are scared shiiitless of Iran with a nuclear capability. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6956623.eceThe Obama administration has said that a Times report revealing that Iran has been secretly working on a trigger for a nuclear bomb urgently underscored the case for tough new sanctions against Tehran.
Referring to today's report, which showed that Iran has been working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb, a senior US official said: “Now that work may have been done on a trigger mechanism, this certainly gives urgency, in the absence of any meaningful response from Tehran…in terms of additional pressure on sanctions.”
How many times did up throw-up while writing your post. Talk about shoveling the dung as fast as a person can, incredible. lol You are aware that everybody knows your sources are chronic liars .... right ???
"repeated bombing runs", perhaps the S-400 will make that "repeated attempted bombing runs"
"Many European nations disagreed with the US Intelligence finding that Iran had stopped work on nukes"
Well I think you are lying about this so please provide a link. If it is the usual US lap-dogs ...don't bother.
"repeated bombing runs", perhaps the S-400 will make that "repeated attempted bombing runs"
"Many European nations disagreed with the US Intelligence finding that Iran had stopped work on nukes"
Well I think you are lying about this so please provide a link. If it is the usual US lap-dogs ...don't bother.
You are right Germany was a power unto itself, and did what it did inside its own
boarders, its when they decided to cross those boarders and threaten their neighbours that started the trouble. The world waited too long to prepare for war
and thus gave the impression they were weak which they were. Germany found out
that once the went to far, the world would not tolerate their actions any longer.
In fact America was the one to push for aggressive war being a war crime, but of course the forgot about that when they attacked Iraq.
Cuba was a small nation that could be bullied by America, China cannot be bullied so we engage in trade with them and buy products made with slave labour.
As for Iran, they have stayed inside their own boarders. As a matter of fact why should an independent nation have to agree with others as to whether they can have
nukes? That should be a decision determined by a sovereign nation, it nobodies
business until the cross international boarders. Unless we as the western world are
prepared to invade anyone and everyone who we don't like, we have to live with the
reality we are not the only ones on the planet. Afghanistan for example allowed their nation to attack the symbols of western power and we lacked the guts to wipe the
whole place out. I maintain wait for Iran to make that cross boarder mistake and then go after them, until then put up and shut up what they do inside their boarders
is between the government and its citizens.
boarders, its when they decided to cross those boarders and threaten their neighbours that started the trouble. The world waited too long to prepare for war
and thus gave the impression they were weak which they were. Germany found out
that once the went to far, the world would not tolerate their actions any longer.
In fact America was the one to push for aggressive war being a war crime, but of course the forgot about that when they attacked Iraq.
Cuba was a small nation that could be bullied by America, China cannot be bullied so we engage in trade with them and buy products made with slave labour.
As for Iran, they have stayed inside their own boarders. As a matter of fact why should an independent nation have to agree with others as to whether they can have
nukes? That should be a decision determined by a sovereign nation, it nobodies
business until the cross international boarders. Unless we as the western world are
prepared to invade anyone and everyone who we don't like, we have to live with the
reality we are not the only ones on the planet. Afghanistan for example allowed their nation to attack the symbols of western power and we lacked the guts to wipe the
whole place out. I maintain wait for Iran to make that cross boarder mistake and then go after them, until then put up and shut up what they do inside their boarders
is between the government and its citizens.
dammgrumpy
Please recall the countries that were scarified to the Alter of Nazism before the West did anything -
You opened your trap now prove it wasn't a lie. BTW give up poetry, you suck at it.
Would that be while US companies were still fully engaged with the Nazis?
"George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism."
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian
MHZstill waiting for an answer - you must have that info at you fingertips - as to poetry - I do not attempt thatList the ones that disagree and the ones that agree - so make a responsible reply and drop the crap - as to chonic liars there are those that are chronic deniers - yes you fit the bill.
Or is it your usual crap - Not poetic nor intended to be.
MHZ
Still waiting for an answer - you must have that info at you fingertips - as to poetry - I do not attempt that
List the ones that disagree and the ones that agree - so make a responsible reply and drop the crap - as to chonic liars there are those that are chronic deniers - yes you fit the bill.
Or is it your usual crap - Not poetic nor intended to be.
As I said once the Nazi's crossed international boundaries the world took action, until
then it was not proper for the world to interfere in the internal affairs of another
country. Lets look at what else was going on, The Germans in the early years got help
from people like Henry Ford, he didn't like the Communists or the Jews, Old Joe
Kennedy regarded Hitler as the brightest young man in Europe at one time and some
say even donated money for his election campaign. If you ever read the book
The Game of the Foxes, you would know that the President of Texaco was illegally
shipping oil to Germany during the war. He was forced to resign, when the activity
was discovered by the man known as Intrepid, a Canadian incidentally working for
the British Secret Service. If you have never read the book do so, you can get one
on E Bay they are out of print and cost about 130 bucks now. Its the account of
German Intelligence, with the names of spies in various countries. Read that and
you find out just how much meddling goes on inside each others countries.
By the way Game of the Foxes is written by an American from the German records
that were store and are stored at the American Library of Congress.
Sovereign countries can do what they want inside their boarders until the citizens
say enough, as we have seen in Eastern Europe and other parts of the world.
It is frustrating but we must learn sometimes to mind our own business
then it was not proper for the world to interfere in the internal affairs of another
country. Lets look at what else was going on, The Germans in the early years got help
from people like Henry Ford, he didn't like the Communists or the Jews, Old Joe
Kennedy regarded Hitler as the brightest young man in Europe at one time and some
say even donated money for his election campaign. If you ever read the book
The Game of the Foxes, you would know that the President of Texaco was illegally
shipping oil to Germany during the war. He was forced to resign, when the activity
was discovered by the man known as Intrepid, a Canadian incidentally working for
the British Secret Service. If you have never read the book do so, you can get one
on E Bay they are out of print and cost about 130 bucks now. Its the account of
German Intelligence, with the names of spies in various countries. Read that and
you find out just how much meddling goes on inside each others countries.
By the way Game of the Foxes is written by an American from the German records
that were store and are stored at the American Library of Congress.
Sovereign countries can do what they want inside their boarders until the citizens
say enough, as we have seen in Eastern Europe and other parts of the world.
It is frustrating but we must learn sometimes to mind our own business
Damm grumpy
I am more than well aware of US and other countries doing business with the NAZI regime. But you disregarded my point - How many countries did Hitler swallow up before the West stood up and went to War.
Lastly - Iran with Nukes will initiate a nuke arms race in the Mid East - Now would that be a stabilizer?