If you have a child who is a gifted hacker and he has just got into the National Defense computers, that is the one thing you really don't want to hear.....
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If you have a child who is a gifted hacker and he has just got into the National Defense computers, that is the one thing you really don't want to hear.....
Keeping in mind that a stock price can be affected by consumer confidence, lower than expected returns, scandals...the surface temperature on Earth does not.
oh ha ha haI expect I would adapt. ;-)
Humans can adapt by moving around a lot like the nomads in the Sahara. Critters can, too, if they are given the time to do it. I imagine the polar bear population will drop drastically if the warming continues and given the chance will possibly recover. Humans have large brains, critters don't. It takes them longer to realize stuff like, "Hey, there's no grub left here" or "I can't get at the food here". Human goes and gets a ladder, or goes to the grocery store for more food.
- The Big Question: How quickly are animals and plants disappearing, and does it matter? - Nature, Environment - The Independent
If we are going to fight nature rather than get along with it, we're going to have to do it a lot smarter than we have been.
Please note that this graph doesn't show the amount of change, but rather the RATE of change.
So did the graphs I found except they showed temperature as opposed to time.
Actually, you said that you read somewhere the main cause in ALL extinctions was cooling. Your source was wrong.Waitaminit. Extinctions are just plain deadly. A species can't get more dead one time than another time.- The Big Question: How quickly are animals and plants disappearing, and does it matter? - Nature, Environment - The Independent
You need to research more. Your science is lacking badly.
At the colder areas of the oceans. In the warmer sections there was basically just some plantlife.
We have a friend across the lake who needed both hips replaced. He got fed up with wheelchair living for months, went to the States and got first hip replaced inside a week after getting the go ahead. He healed and then did the second within a week of requesting replacement.
A friend up the road had knee replacement 3 times before he got one that didn't cause him grief. I agree medicine is a bonus, but we even screw that up sometimes.
Nope. I was just betting that the denier side isn't all angelic either.
That is a graph of temperature anomalies, you notice that the changes in temperature are almost all positive in the last decade? That means the temperatures themselves are rising. I can see why you think everything's peachy. You misread stuff.Here's one for the last 1000 years. I don't have time to dig up one for the last 10,000 right now, I'll get back to you on that.
Seems those temps have been inflated due to faulty measuring station placement. There is an increase, but not that steep, and the last few years have declined, despite CO2 levels increasing.
Oh well. I get into discussions with whomever.
Cool. But regardless of his motives, I haven't heard him use false data. Ever.
Perhaps you should read this little bit from your link then (first paragraph):
Are stock analysts producing climate graphs? Why? Isn't climatology a little out of their league?
But the temps in all of these charts seems to be affected by the desire to make the chart look accurate.
It's exactly the same. Produce a chart with wild swings, make a self-serving prediction for future behaviour, and then justify your prediction.
Same concept, exactly.
And the best part is, once we get carbon credit trading, it will be the same people profitting. What could be better?
Can you show where all, not just the CRU, the sources of climate info have done this? Can you even show where NASA by itself has done this? No, I didn't think so.
People will figure out a way to profit off anything. Big deal. I am not picky as to which bunch of scoundrels I should dislike.
I would think so.
Actually I would think that most scientists prefer to be accurate.
Weird question with respect to this CRU. I've only read this Thread and
not much else. I don't know what's true or not, but it sounds like this CRU
exaggerated the results that it found?
If this is true....the big question would be, are the results put forth by this
CRU significantly different than the results put forth by others conducting
this type of research?
If yes, then the Data from this CRU can be discounted from both sides of
this debate. Right? It becomes a non-issue.
If not, and the results released by this CRU were exaggerated....wouldn't
that raise some red flags for everyone, regardless of their position on
this topic?
not much else. I don't know what's true or not, but it sounds like this CRU
exaggerated the results that it found?
If this is true....the big question would be, are the results put forth by this
CRU significantly different than the results put forth by others conducting
this type of research?
If yes, then the Data from this CRU can be discounted from both sides of
this debate. Right? It becomes a non-issue.
If not, and the results released by this CRU were exaggerated....wouldn't
that raise some red flags for everyone, regardless of their position on
this topic?
That all depends on who gets data from where, and when you 'accidentally' delete data after threatening that 'I'll delete it before I release it', the credibility somehow decreases.
Oh, I understand.
It's truly stunning how the media completely distorts anything to do with science, if they report it at all.
Thank God for the mainstream US networks, they avoid this by completely ignoring the story.
Do Research Scientists usually dispose of their Raw Data once they're come
to some kind of conclusion with their results? Is this a normal procedure? The
Raw Data, once a conclusion is decided upon, no longer has any value? :-?
to some kind of conclusion with their results? Is this a normal procedure? The
Raw Data, once a conclusion is decided upon, no longer has any value? :-?
No, they don't. If the scientists dispose of the raw data, then the analysis cannot be repeated, and therefore the scientific conclusions become unsubstantiated, and could never pass a proper peer review.
Typically, the only scientists who destroy data are those with something to hide.
Wealth distribution...that is what this has become. They are shouting all over Copenhagen about it. Third World Nations are in front of every microphone demanding a decision that will require western nations to fill their nations treasuries. On NPR a leader from an African nation was saying that even a 10 Billion dollar pay out would be an insult to them. They want real cash and real money from the West to use for their economies... which is a laugh. All that money will dissapear in corruption as it most often does and not a darn thing will happen to climate change.
China however has the right idea. They simply said they will decide how they will respond to climate change and said they simply won't grow their economy as fast as they have. I think the US should do that as well... in fact we already are as our economy has been slowing for years now.
China however has the right idea. They simply said they will decide how they will respond to climate change and said they simply won't grow their economy as fast as they have. I think the US should do that as well... in fact we already are as our economy has been slowing for years now.
That's the ideal. In the real world, many scientists use such shoddy documentation processes, that replication is impossible. This problem becomes more evident in projects with very long life spans, with many different researchers working on the project at different times.
You can watch this talk by Greg Wilson, or read this study in PLoS, an open access journal which requires the authors to make all data available.
In reality, data is thrown out all the time. And in reality, the data is not destroyed. CRU simply isn't keeping their copies of it. Remember that CRU makes a product using station data from other countries' meteorological services, which is why they can't release much of the data.