I think you are on to something there. As for Trudeau, I'm glad to see there is someone who is on to the reprobate.
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I think you are on to something there. As for Trudeau, I'm glad to see there is someone who is on to the reprobate.
wulfie68;1174850 He may have had charisma and press appeal but we're still living with the results of his actions today.[/quote said:
I can't stand Trudeau....I think he is one of the worst PMs in our history, I think he severely damaged the nation, perhaps beyond repair....
But he never murdered anyone.
Clifford Olsen, Bernardo, Holmolka.........Mark Lepine, and dammit, has anyone even mentioned Robert Picton??????
Celine Dion is merely insignificant......and slightly irritating...no, vastly irritating.
Beyond repair?
Get a grip.
Yeah what a mess Canada is.....:roll:
What would you think if you lived in a real crap hole?
Okayyyyy
Reasons for the dislike of Trudeau (in no particular order)
He began the process (continued by every ensuing Prime Minister, including Harper) of concentrating power in the PMO....to the detriment of Parliament. He refered to MPs as "those nobodies" and ruled largely by emergency Order in Council, by-passing Patrliament.....a practise also continued by subsequent Prime Ministers.
He declared martial law in the country because of two kidnappings and a couple of protests.....lunacy......that saw hundreds of people jailed without trial or charge, and held for month after month, on the whim of the government. That alone is a pretty damn good reason to hate his guts.
He came to power in a time of surplus.....and started us down the road to deficit with wildly irresponsible spending....... Anybody else hitch-hike in the early 70s? Free hostels for dead-beats (of which I was one) on every corner, and in every little town.
When he took pwer, Canada had a well-armed, well-equipped, ready, efficient military of some 125,000 of the world's best professional soldiers.....the guys that won us respect in the world and allowed us to "punch above our weight". When he left power, we had 70,000 under-armed soldiers (still high quality people) in such rough shape we couldn't fulfill our 5,000 person NATO commitment in Norway......and Canada had become somewhat of a pompous, moralizing joke on the world stage.
He brought in the National Energy Policy, splitting Canada in the West, and destroying the Liberal Party out there......(it's an ill wind....
)He brought in national bilingualism, an expensive idiot's game if ever there was one.
He brought home the BNA Act, over the protests of Quebec, thus splitting the nation in the east as well.
Just off the top of my head.....I could go on.......but there is very good reason for the dislike of Trudeau. People love his image, the flashy, charming, charismatic exterior. Dig underneath, and he is not nearly so attractive.
Okayyyyy
Reasons for the dislike of Trudeau (in no particular order)
He began the process (continued by every ensuing Prime Minister, including Harper) of concentrating power in the PMO....to the detriment of Parliament. He refered to MPs as "those nobodies" and ruled largely by emergency Order in Council, by-passing Patrliament.....a practise also continued by subsequent Prime Ministers.
He declared martial law in the country because of two kidnappings and a couple of protests.....lunacy......that saw hundreds of people jailed without trial or charge, and held for month after month, on the whim of the government. That alone is a pretty damn good reason to hate his guts.
He came to power in a time of surplus.....and started us down the road to deficit with wildly irresponsible spending....... Anybody else hitch-hike in the early 70s? Free hostels for dead-beats (of which I was one) on every corner, and in every little town.
When he took pwer, Canada had a well-armed, well-equipped, ready, efficient military of some 125,000 of the world's best professional soldiers.....the guys that won us respect in the world and allowed us to "punch above our weight". When he left power, we had 70,000 under-armed soldiers (still high quality people) in such rough shape we couldn't fulfill our 5,000 person NATO commitment in Norway......and Canada had become somewhat of a pompous, moralizing joke on the world stage.
He brought in the National Energy Policy, splitting Canada in the West, and destroying the Liberal Party out there......(it's an ill wind....
He brought in national bilingualism, an expensive idiot's game if ever there was one.
He brought home the BNA Act, over the protests of Quebec, thus splitting the nation in the east as well.
Just off the top of my head.....I could go on.......but there is very good reason for the dislike of Trudeau. People love his image, the flashy, charming, charismatic exterior. Dig underneath, and he is not nearly so attractive.
Your criteria could include the last6 PM's
Still don't see beyond repair.
Canada is still a great country...have one that's better in mind?
I've been around, can't think of a better place.
I guess about the best thing that could be said about Trudeau (depending on who you are) is that he was SMOOTH, Mulroney had a few rough edges.
If you recall, Canada in the late 60s was a backwater, a quaint harmless country with no impact and no future. We had no real status, our economy was pathetic. We were still colonial upstarts, beholden to our old colonial masters. Trudeau capitalized on the 60s idealism, and helped make people believe that Canada was a dynamic country with potential and a future.
He was what was needed for the times - life, inspiration for the future.
And this sentiment is posted by someone who had a family member who was a cohort of, and loyal supporter of Stanfield.
There are times for everything, and Trudeau was what Canada needed for the times.
Are you seriously claiming that Canada, as it exists right now, is a failure? A disaster? We're a pathetic basket case? No, we're not. We're successful, thriving, dynamic, and we've come through the latest economic firestorm in relatively good shape...
Colpy summed up the negatives of Trudeau pretty well.
Sorry Juan, but your rebuttal in defense isn't flying with me.
Just because other PMs have continued the trend of concentrating power in the PMO, doesn't make it a good thing. Its actually worse with Trudeau because he was one of the "architects" of our constitution and he worked to undercut it almost as soon as the ink was dry.
"300 acts of terrorism" and 6 deaths over a decade and a bit is worthy of declaring martial law? Does that mean the larger urban centers should be under martial law because street gangs are responsible for more crimes and deaths each year?
Blaming Mulroney for continuing the deficit is also a farce. Trudeau created a climate that had Canadians expecting "everyone else" to bear the brunt of budget cuts, and to that end we have the example of Joe Clark, who WANTED to immediately address spending but Trudeau's official opposition toppled his gov't on the budget. Another fact about Mulroney's deficits was that as a % of GDP they went down every year except the transitional year where he took over from the Liberals.
As for the military, the cold war wasn't over while Trudeau was in power, but he was busy sucking up to Brezhnev. And lets not forget that we still DO have treaty obligations to NATO and other groups, as well as a penchant to be a peace keeper for the UN: that can not be accomplished without a military. This is also ignoring that Coastguard & Search and Rescue operations in this country fall under the military as well. They don't need to be a super sized offensive force, but they need to have the size and equipment for the demands the gov't places on them. Ignoring our treaty obligations and not being able to back up our demands/commitments in peace keeping are things that do make us look bad on the international stage.
Also the election of the PQ was brought about as a reaction to Trudeau actions in office, such as the declaration of martial law during the so called "FLQ crisis". The NEP only showed he was willing to screw people both east and west. The cracks in confederation may have existed before but Trudeau made them into fractures and again Colpy is right in that they have not healed (Mulroney failed, Chretien didn't bother to try and Harper has other fires to fight), and they may never be healed.
Sorry Juan, but your rebuttal in defense isn't flying with me.
Just because other PMs have continued the trend of concentrating power in the PMO, doesn't make it a good thing. Its actually worse with Trudeau because he was one of the "architects" of our constitution and he worked to undercut it almost as soon as the ink was dry.
"300 acts of terrorism" and 6 deaths over a decade and a bit is worthy of declaring martial law? Does that mean the larger urban centers should be under martial law because street gangs are responsible for more crimes and deaths each year?
Blaming Mulroney for continuing the deficit is also a farce. Trudeau created a climate that had Canadians expecting "everyone else" to bear the brunt of budget cuts, and to that end we have the example of Joe Clark, who WANTED to immediately address spending but Trudeau's official opposition toppled his gov't on the budget. Another fact about Mulroney's deficits was that as a % of GDP they went down every year except the transitional year where he took over from the Liberals.
As for the military, the cold war wasn't over while Trudeau was in power, but he was busy sucking up to Brezhnev. And lets not forget that we still DO have treaty obligations to NATO and other groups, as well as a penchant to be a peace keeper for the UN: that can not be accomplished without a military. This is also ignoring that Coastguard & Search and Rescue operations in this country fall under the military as well. They don't need to be a super sized offensive force, but they need to have the size and equipment for the demands the gov't places on them. Ignoring our treaty obligations and not being able to back up our demands/commitments in peace keeping are things that do make us look bad on the international stage.
Also the election of the PQ was brought about as a reaction to Trudeau actions in office, such as the declaration of martial law during the so called "FLQ crisis". The NEP only showed he was willing to screw people both east and west. The cracks in confederation may have existed before but Trudeau made them into fractures and again Colpy is right in that they have not healed (Mulroney failed, Chretien didn't bother to try and Harper has other fires to fight), and they may never be healed.
Nonsense! Trudeau's debt could have been paid of in 3 or 4 years. Mulroney added $450 billion to the debt. Kim Cambell handed Chretien $46 billion dollars worth of debt. Thanks to Bulroney just the interest on our debt is something around fifty billion. Lyin' Brian was just doing in Canada what hid buddy Reagan was doing in the U.S.. Our great grandchildren's children will be paying off that stupid debt
True. Absolutely true.
Although Mulroney handed Chretien the tools to repair the problem as well......
And Mulroney's malfeasance should not be seen as an excuse for the foolishness of his predesessor.