If God had ignored His creation, then the systems and rules of nature: like the gravity and the solar system etc. would have been disrupted and everything would have been mess, and every existing thing would have disappeared.
Essential features of the apostle of God
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If God had ignored His creation, then the systems and rules of nature: like the gravity and the solar system etc. would have been disrupted and everything would have been mess, and every existing thing would have disappeared.
Essential feature of the apostle of God. Someone who buys the Lotto Max and has a poor bloke in Manitoba win! Now that's Godly!
Truly, I don't care about any of your myths, your idolatry and any of your words against the heavenly books: the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran, and I never care about your denial of God's apostles: Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and others.
I shall have the reward of my religion, and you will have the punishment for your blasphemy.
I asked AnnaG:
"If you are right in your claim, then did you come to this World with your own will?
Or will you avert the death when it will inevitably come on you?
And she answered:
So no more answers may be given to you, and any answer will be useless.
"If you are right in your claim, then did you come to this World with your own will?
Or will you avert the death when it will inevitably come on you?
And she answered:
So no more answers may be given to you, and any answer will be useless.
lol You think gravity or thermodynamics wouldn't exist if this fiction called Allah didn't exist? That's really funny. You sure have a dismally poor understanding of science. wow And I thought I was bad at physics.
Well, then why bother replying to my posts? Obviously you care or you wouldn't reply to them.
Eanassir, you omitted the one, the most salient character of your god criteria...that is; that such beings are totally imaginary. They are the creation of mankind (this includes the female gender), variously: to explain things not understood, to blame when things go wrong and to use to justify all manner of atrocities, excesses, abuses (see: Catholic Church) and not least; to use to fill the pockets of those espousing such foolishness.
And how do you know that didn’t happen, eanassir (well, except the part about everything disappearing)?
I remember reading a sci fi story long time ago. When humans launched a manned mission to Pluto, they discover something startling on Pluto. They discover the blue prints for the design of solar system and of human beings.
The blueprints showed a perfect system, with three habitable planets (Venus and earth and Mars), each with a moon comparable to our moon. It showed outer gas giants, and no Pluto.
It also showed how human beings were supposed to turn out. They were supposed to be perfect creatures, detesting war, violence of any kind. There was supposed to be plenty of everything, no starvation, misery, pestilence, war etc. It really was supposed to be the Garden of Eden.
Instead, we got what we have now. The exploration team concluded that the bunch of goons who were in charge of designing the solar system and humans bungled the job horribly, abandoned the blueprints on Pluto and took a powder.
That is also the story of Al Bundy, Spade. In one show, Al Bundy buys 6000 $ worth of lottery tickets, only to watch on TV somebody called Habib winning the jackpot.
We always see the systems, rules and laws of universe and nature continuously effective and applicable everywhere.
We see only one harmony in all the universe: like the effect of heat and gravity; this in effect everywhere and everytime.
If God is not there, then the universe will disappear, as will the planets escape the Sun; and actually He will let the planets escape from the Sun on Doomsday.
This is in the Quran 35: 41
إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُمْسِكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ أَن تَزُولَا وَلَئِن زَالَتَا إِنْ أَمْسَكَهُمَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن بَعْدِهِ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا
The explanation:
(Surely, God holds back the heavens and the earth, that they escape not [the gravity of the sun]; and if they were to escape [the gravity of the sun], no one else than Him could hold them. He is Ever-Clement [and] Most Forgiving.)
The interpretation:
>> ( God holds back the heavens and the earth) means: He grasps the planets and the earth by the gravity of the sun,
>> ( that they escape not [the gravity of the sun] ) means: lest they should slip away from the sun, and scatter into the space.
>> ( and if they were to escape [the gravity of the sun], ) as will they do on Doomsday,
>> ( no one else than Him could hold them.) means: Can anyone –apart from God – hold them back? That is because if the planets escape the gravity of the sun, they will break up and become meteorites, then they will be attracted to the newly formed planets; because our sun will break up, on the Day of Doom, into planets; for this reason, God –be exalted- said:
(Surely, God holds back the heavens and the earth, that they escape not [the gravity of the sun]; and if they were to escape [the gravity of the sun], no one else than Him could hold them. He is Ever-Clement [and] Most Forgiving.)
The interpretation:
>> ( God holds back the heavens and the earth) means: He grasps the planets and the earth by the gravity of the sun,
>> ( that they escape not [the gravity of the sun] ) means: lest they should slip away from the sun, and scatter into the space.
>> ( and if they were to escape [the gravity of the sun], ) as will they do on Doomsday,
>> ( no one else than Him could hold them.) means: Can anyone –apart from God – hold them back? That is because if the planets escape the gravity of the sun, they will break up and become meteorites, then they will be attracted to the newly formed planets; because our sun will break up, on the Day of Doom, into planets; for this reason, God –be exalted- said:
إِنْ أَمْسَكَهُمَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن بَعْدِهِ
The explanation:
( no one else than Him could hold them.)
The meaning: If the planets escape from the gravity and break up, then God –be exalted –will hold these pieces by another gravitational force. The reason for the slipping of the planets from the gravity of the sun on Doomsday is that the sun will break up and its parts will scatter in the space.
The Universe and the Quran
In addition to that, God Most Gracious is All-Aware and is never heedless eventhough for one moment, and He does not sleep nor is He dizzy; this is according to the aya 2: 255
( no one else than Him could hold them.)
The meaning: If the planets escape from the gravity and break up, then God –be exalted –will hold these pieces by another gravitational force. The reason for the slipping of the planets from the gravity of the sun on Doomsday is that the sun will break up and its parts will scatter in the space.
The Universe and the Quran
In addition to that, God Most Gracious is All-Aware and is never heedless eventhough for one moment, and He does not sleep nor is He dizzy; this is according to the aya 2: 255
اللّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ
The explanation:
(God! No god [to be worshipped] but He [alone], the Alive [Who dies not], the Disposer [in the affairs of the universe and creatures.]
Neither slumber [: the dizzyness just before sleep, like that overtaking souls] nor sleep [like that overtaking the living people] can overtake Him.)
And like the aya 23: 17
(God! No god [to be worshipped] but He [alone], the Alive [Who dies not], the Disposer [in the affairs of the universe and creatures.]
Neither slumber [: the dizzyness just before sleep, like that overtaking souls] nor sleep [like that overtaking the living people] can overtake Him.)
And like the aya 23: 17
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا فَوْقَكُمْ سَبْعَ طَرَائِقَ وَمَا كُنَّا عَنِ الْخَلْقِ غَافِلِينَ
The explanation:
(And We have created above you seven passages [i.e. seven heavens, inhabited by seven races of genies or aliens]; nor are We heedless of creatures.)
(And We have created above you seven passages [i.e. seven heavens, inhabited by seven races of genies or aliens]; nor are We heedless of creatures.)
Then he'll adjust his list accordingly, I would imagine. I doubt aliens are insecure enough to need gods and stuff though.
Who can say for sure? No-one. There is no evidence supporting you. All you have is a bunch of words from a book that some other guy wrote.
So? This is in the Vedas:
The apostle of God is always victorious
This victory can be one of two ways:
Either will his people believe so that →his religion will prevail,
Or will they disbelieve, deny and reject him and God That sent him → and then they will be exterminated and he together with the believers will be saved.
This is in the Quran 37: 171-173
وَلَقَدْ سَبَقَتْ كَلِمَتُنَا لِعِبَادِنَا الْمُرْسَلِينَ . إِنَّهُمْ لَهُمُ الْمَنصُورُونَ . وَإِنَّ جُندَنَا لَهُمُ الْغَالِبُونَ
The explanation:
(To Our servants: the envoys, Our word was ordained [before, to help them with victory.]
That they will [sooner or later] be the victorious.
And Our hosts shall be triumphant.)
This may be explained in the following way:
His people usually are wrong-doers and so are misguided into denial of God's commandments and idolatry; so they deserve the punishment; but before they are punished, God will send them an apostle to give them chance: if they believe they will be saved and if not then they will be punished.
This also is in the Quran 28: 59
His people usually are wrong-doers and so are misguided into denial of God's commandments and idolatry; so they deserve the punishment; but before they are punished, God will send them an apostle to give them chance: if they believe they will be saved and if not then they will be punished.
This also is in the Quran 28: 59
وَمَا كَانَ رَبُّكَ مُهْلِكَ الْقُرَى حَتَّى يَبْعَثَ فِي أُمِّهَا رَسُولًا يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِنَا وَمَا كُنَّا مُهْلِكِي الْقُرَى إِلَّا وَأَهْلُهَا ظَالِمُونَ
The explanation:
(Yet [O Mohammed] your Lord never destroyed cities until He sent into their capital a messenger, to rehearse Our revelations to them;
and We never destroyed the cities unless that their people were wrong-doers.)
It never occurs to you that those are the actions of a petty tyrant, does it? You could be describing the actions of Saddam Hussein or George W Bush.
I wonder if rhesus monkeys are that adamant about their beliefs? Evolution has skipped a few true believers along the way!
Hi Cliffy - not meaning to be argumentative, but what religions? I disagree with SJP regarding Hinduism being the 'oldest' - from what I've read, there was a - for want of a better term' 'proto aryan' religion that was the beginning of both Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. and then let's not discount the indigeneous religions that were already in existence when the Aryan and please understand I'm not talking about the NAZI concept of Aryan here)hordes invaded the Indian sub-continent.
Anyway, arguing just what religion is older is a moot point - it's how they evolve - or devolve - that matters.
Yeah, kill the infidels, burn their cities, murder everybody who doesn't believe as you do, god will sort it all out in the end. :roll:
The point was that most people talk as if the Americas didn't exist pre-Columbus. It seems like Anna and I are the only ones that ever mention them. It is a quirk of western civilization that we are taught about man and civilization originating in the east. Very little of American prehistory is ever taught.