Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

gopher

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lol No-one can actually prove this Messiah actually existed, though. So it's all hearsay.


Jesus said that he could prove he was Messiah since his ministers could heal the sick, raise the dead, and produce all sorts of miracles in his name. I have yet to see this happen and cannot verify any of these writings.
 

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Jesus said that he could prove he was Messiah since his ministers could heal the sick, raise the dead, and produce all sorts of miracles in his name. I have yet to see this happen and cannot verify any of these writings.
I have healed the sick and raised the semi-conscious and I didn't use Jesus name but nobody believes me.:-(
 

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Buddha was not a prophet at all.
Depends on how the word is defined. All the dictionaries I've consulted offer multiple definitions, but the gist of them is that a prophet is simply somebody with a divinely inspired message, it doesn't necessarily involve predicting future events. Buddha would qualify as a prophet under many definitions. Dictionary.com offers this, for instance:

1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

2. (in the Old Testament)
a. a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel: Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets.
b. (often initial capital letter
) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
c. one of a band of ecstatic visionaries claiming divine inspiration and, according to popular belief, possessing magical powers.
d. a person who practices divination.
3. one of a class of persons in the early church, next in order after the apostles, recognized as inspired to utter special revelations and predictions. 1 Cor. 12:28.

4. the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam.

5. a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader.

6. a person who foretells or predicts what is to come: a weather prophet; prophets of doom.

7. a spokesperson of some doctrine, cause, or movement.

Buddha I think would qualify under definitions 1, 5, and 7.
 

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Jesus said that he could prove he was Messiah since his ministers could heal the sick, raise the dead, and produce all sorts of miracles in his name. I have yet to see this happen and cannot verify any of these writings.


Indeed. When these Fundamentalist faith healers claim to heal cancer, arthritis and everything under the sun and perform these miracles daily on television, one wonders, why are Americans fighting over the health care reform? Isn’t the solution to get rid of all the doctors, hire the Fundamentalist preachers instead to do faith healing and thereby save a bundle?

Can you imagine the amount of money USA will save when cancer can be cured just by the preacher raising his hand and supplicating to Heaven.
 

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Depends on how the word is defined. All the dictionaries I've consulted offer multiple definitions, but the gist of them is that a prophet is simply somebody with a divinely inspired message, it doesn't necessarily involve predicting future events. Buddha would qualify as a prophet under many definitions. Dictionary.com offers this, for instance:

1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

2. (in the Old Testament)
a. a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel: Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets.
b. (often initial capital letter
) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
c. one of a band of ecstatic visionaries claiming divine inspiration and, according to popular belief, possessing magical powers.
d. a person who practices divination.
3. one of a class of persons in the early church, next in order after the apostles, recognized as inspired to utter special revelations and predictions. 1 Cor. 12:28.

4. the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam.

5. a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader.

6. a person who foretells or predicts what is to come: a weather prophet; prophets of doom.

7. a spokesperson of some doctrine, cause, or movement.

Buddha I think would qualify under definitions 1, 5, and 7.

Buddhism is notoriously a godless religion (1). Being a reincarnation of a indian man who reached nirvana (5) and being a Tibetan nationalist (7) doesn't make of someone a prophet.
 

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Buddhism is notoriously a godless religion (1). Being a reincarnation of a indian man who reached nirvana (5) and being a Tibetan nationalist (7) doesn't make of someone a prophet.
You said take any dictionary definition. I did. Now you're just denying the results because they don't say what you want them to say.
 

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Buddhism is notoriously a godless religion (1). Being a reincarnation of a indian man who reached nirvana (5) and being a Tibetan nationalist (7) doesn't make of someone a prophet.

That is you opinion big, many Buddhists think differently. He may not be a Christian Prophet, but he is a Buddhist Prophet.
 

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Depends on how the word is defined. All the dictionaries I've consulted offer multiple definitions, but the gist of them is that a prophet is simply somebody with a divinely inspired message, it doesn't necessarily involve predicting future events. Buddha would qualify as a prophet under many definitions. Dictionary.com offers this, for instance:

1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

2. (in the Old Testament)
a. a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel: Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets.
b. (often initial capital letter
) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
c. one of a band of ecstatic visionaries claiming divine inspiration and, according to popular belief, possessing magical powers.
d. a person who practices divination.
3. one of a class of persons in the early church, next in order after the apostles, recognized as inspired to utter special revelations and predictions. 1 Cor. 12:28.

4. the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam.

5. a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader.

6. a person who foretells or predicts what is to come: a weather prophet; prophets of doom.

7. a spokesperson of some doctrine, cause, or movement.

Buddha I think would qualify under definitions 1, 5, and 7.

A dictionary begins by giving the etymology of words: prophet means someone speaking of something before (pro-) it happens.

Online Etymology Dictionary


That would be one of the seven definitions listed above.
 

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Does God say this of himself? Show me.

Does God the Creator need food, like all creatures?
This is in the Quran 6: 14

{Wa huwa yutim wa la yutam}

Which means: that (He feeds [all His creatures] but He is never fed [because He does not need eating any food] )

Ah, but still they had sinned a some point in their lives, not to mention mankind's original sin. But Jesus was born without original sin(bypassed by the virgin birth which was prophecised), and lived a completely sin-free life which means he was perfect. And therefore a perfect sacrifice suitable to atone for all the sin in the people's lives and to reconcile with the entire world.

Who told you he did not sin? The available Gospels are not very detailed: they do not include all the events of his everyday life during his mission which lasted many years.
So I don't mean he committed major sins; he is higher than that with his piety and God-fearing.
In the Quran 5: 112-115, I find he yielded to the strange request of the disciples to ask God to bring them (as a miracle) from heaven a food table for dinner.

Refer to my thread in this Canadian forum: The mistake of the prophet.

This is the typical Islamic explanation to get around the facts.

This is not any argument and is not any good answer.

The early church that witnessed resurrection not only specifically told us that they were witnesses, but they challenged the readers(us) to investigate their claims for themselves, not mention the completely discarded their ancient, long-held, cherished religion for a new system of beliefs to which they suffered persecution and death.

This is only some confused historical narration, that cannot stand as a proof.

باللغة العربية
The Disagreement of the
 
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''Can you imagine the amount of money USA will save when cancer can be cured just by the preacher raising his hand and supplicating to Heaven. ''


True. But you know what a bunch of phonies these right wing television evangelists all are. No wonder they always vote Republican. ;)
 
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A dictionary begins by giving the etymology of words: prophet means someone speaking of something before (pro-) it happens.

Online Etymology Dictionary
Wrong.
Quoting the online etymology dictionary:
c.1175, from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) "an interpreter, spokesman," especially of the gods
I stand by my opinion that you have poor comprehension abilities.
 

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Does God the Creator need food, like all creatures?
This is in the Quran 6: 14

{Wa huwa yutim wa la yutam}

Which means: that (He feeds [all His creatures] but He is never fed [because He does not need eating any food] )



Who told you he did not sin? The available Gospels are not very detailed: they do not include all the events of his everyday life during his mission which lasted many years.
So I don't mean he committed major sins; he is higher than that with his piety and God-fearing.
In the Quran 5: 112-115, I find he yielded to the strange request of the disciples to ask God to bring them (as a miracle) from heaven a food table for dinner.

Refer to my thread in this Canadian forum: The mistake of the prophet.



This is not any argument and is not any good answer.



This is only some confused historical narration, that cannot stand as a proof.
So? Nothing you say constitutes proof either.