Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

[SirJosephPorter]

The overwhelming majority were born into their religion. A significant minority converted. I asked them why and they all gave a similar story. They were lost (spiritually speaking) and asked their idea of the divine to help them find the truth and peace.

Cliffy, I can understand somebody being born into a religion and staying with that religion the rest of his life. But I will never understand somebody converting from one religion to another religion. Trade one set of superstition for another set of superstition? How silly is that?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It is not a far stretch for a Jew to become Christian or a Christian to become a Muslim if they have rejected their religion of birth. But few Christians become Hindu because it is too far removed from what is familiar.

There is another reason for that Cliffy. Christians and Muslims actively evangelize; their ultimate goal is world evangelization. Hindus don’t evangelize. I asked one of my Hindu friends a while ago, how does one become a Hindu? For Christians, there is the sinner’s prayer (and Baptism in the Baptismal font, of course), for Muslims, there is dawa. But what kind of ritual does one have to perform to accept Hinduism? He seemed mystified, he wasn’t even sure if there is a formal way of converting to Hinduism.

 

[AnnaG]

lol There are probably dozens of reasons. Perhaps one changes from JWism to Catholicism because they don't want to do the door-to-door thing and don't mind getting flat knees kneeling in a RC church. Perhaps one Protestant thinks Christianity isn't rigid enough so they try fundamental Islam.
All it takes is a little imagination to understand.

 

[karrie]

So Liberalman, are you Jewish? You feel the Old Testament is the 'truth'? If someone could show you where the Old Testament foretells Christ, would it convince you that all of it is fact? Would something click for you?

Or are you just trolling for religious arguments?

 

[AnnaG]

Converting to Hinduism. How to convert to Hinduism - by Madhusoodanan.K.P. - Helium
As the fellow says, "The hallmark and most salient feature of real and genuine Hinduism is one of Universal Tolerance." So apparently there is no particular procedure for converting to Hinduism, which is probably why Sir Pompass got a weird look from his buddy.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

There are statements in the Old Testament that are now interpreted by some Christians as foretelling Jesus' coming, and there is evidence that certain details of Jesus' life as recorded in the New Testament were adjusted to fit them, like having him born in Bethlehem rather than Nazareth. My understanding of it is that the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because they were expecting a political/military leader, in the style of the Maccabees, not a spiritual leader. The OT passages that foretell his coming were written when Israel was in bondage to some foreign empire, and the Messiah was to lead them out of it, overthrow their enemies, and so forth. It's fairly standard apocalyptic writing, similar in tone to Revelation in the NT (though only Revelation is entirely apocalyptic), which has Jesus returning as both a spiritual and a military leader.

Realistically though, in no plausible sense does the OT identify Jesus. It doesn't name him correctly, nor does it say anything about what his message turned out to be, it essentially just claims rather vaguely that somebody's eventually going to show up and save Israel.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

To me, the reasoning is simple, Dexter. Jews foretold the coming of the Messiah (in the Old Testament). So it is up to the Jews (and not to anybody else) to decide if the Messiah has returned or not.

According to them, Jesus is not the foretold Messiah. To me, that ends the argument right there, no claims by anybody else (like Christians) would carry any weight.

 

[gopher]

Is Jesus a prophet according to the Old Testament?

Assuming Jesus is the Immanuel of Isaiah 7:14, he was said to be a prophet according to:

Deut 18:15, 18 ---

The Lord will raise a prophet from among they brethren ... I will appoint a prophet among they brethren ...


In the Old Testament book Malachi 4:5 it is said that the prophet Elijah would proclaim the coming of the Messiah. In the New Testament he was identified as John the Baptist.


This only shows that acording to the Old Testament, the Messiah would be a prophet. But whether you believe it proves that Jesus would be that Messiah and whether he would therefore be that prophet according to the Old Testament is up to your own view.

 

[Spade]

I agree with Cliff that religion is a cultural artifact specific to a people, region, and time. What "we" cast off as superstitious nonsense (Zeus, Woden, the Incan gods, and so on), other peoples observing "us" would draw the same conclusions about our beliefs and to them the absurdity would be equally obvious. We all vainly assert the "truth" where none exists.

 

[GreenFish66]

Idea of Jesus(son of god) have been around forever.. Since people have been trying to explain ..Why things are/work the way they do...There is much truth in the past..We build on that.. look forward/have faith in the future..Who's to say J.C. wasn't real..Did some great things...
Even Hercules stories have some good morals and truth to them..Great way to educate the children ...

Back then most believed the stories they told..

Even today some hard science has faded into B rated science fi...But the truth never dies ..Only grows stronger..

 

[Cliffy]

I agree with Cliff that religion is a cultural artifact specific to a people, region, and time. What "we" cast off as superstitious nonsense (Zeus, Woden, the Incan gods, and so on), other peoples observing "us" would draw the same conclusions about our beliefs and to them the absurdity would be equally obvious. We all vainly assert the "truth" where none exists.

Good Morning Cousin Spade,

I have no objection to what people believe about their gods. My objection comes from their assertion that theirs is the only way, truth and all others are false. This derisiveness has kept humanity is the darkness of egocentric self gratification for thousands of years and if we are to continue as a species, we need to grow beyond such infantile beliefs.

 

[GreenFish66]

Cliffy "we need to grow beyond such infantile beliefs"

We are ..Learn from the past ..Have faith in the future.. Science works best nowadays .

 

[Spade]

Idea of Jesus(son of god) have been around forever.. Since people have been trying to explain ..Why things are/work the way they do...There is much truth in the past..We build on that.. look forward/have faith in the future..Who's to say J.C. wasn't real..Did some great things...
Even Hercules stories have some good morals and truth to them..Great way to educate the children ...

Back then most believed the stories they told..

Even today some hard science has faded into B rated science fi...But the truth never dies ..Only grows stronger..

I agree if we mine for truth in myth and metaphor.

 

[Spade]

Good Morning Cousin Spade,

I have no objection to what people believe about their gods. My objection comes from their assertion that theirs is the only way, truth and all others are false. This derisiveness has kept humanity is the darkness of egocentric self gratification for thousands of years and if we are to continue as a species, we need to grow beyond such infantile beliefs.

Exactly so! Heaven for thee!

 

[eanassir]

Yes, Jesus Christ came, as was it prophecied in the Old Testament, and he was denied like all other prophets and apostles.

Then his teachings were distorted into a sort of idolatry, like all other past religions, by means of the enthusiasm about Jesus to the extent that they considered him God Himself, or son of God or part of the Trinity, which is the top of enthusiasm about any prophet or saint.

 

[eanassir]

Is Jesus a prophet according to the Old Testament?

Assuming Jesus is the Immanuel of Isaiah 7:14, he was said to be a prophet according to:

Deut 18:15, 18 ---

The Lord will raise a prophet from among they brethren ... I will appoint a prophet among they brethren ...

This prophecy is not about Jesus Christ - salam be to him, but it is related to Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him.

This is because Jesus was one of them, not of their brethren; while Prophet Mohammed was the descendent of Ismael, son of Abraham.

The other son of Abraham was Isaac the grandfather of the Israelite.

So Mohammed, not Jesus, who was sent from among their brethren.

In the Old Testament book Malachi 4:5 it is said that the prophet Elijah would proclaim the coming of the Messiah. In the New Testament he was identified as John the Baptist.

Where is Elijah from John: i.e. no relation between Elijah or Elia and John.
Elijah in Hebrew is the synonym of Ali in Arabic: the same meaning.
Elijah is the awaited Mahdi (or the Paraclite) that will be sent by Jesus. While Prophet Elijah or Elia lived and died in Palestine a long period before Jesus, and his soul was uplifted to Heaven to Paradise.

This only shows that acording to the Old Testament, the Messiah would be a prophet. But whether you believe it proves that Jesus would be that Messiah and whether he would therefore be that prophet according to the Old Testament is up to your own view.

There are many prophecies in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of Jesus Christ as the king and savior of the Children of Israel; and if we want to have a clear picture about such prophecies, we can now study the prophecies foretelling about the advent of Jesus Christ and the Awaited Mahdi.

Here we find many lies, many distortions, much exploitation and misinterpretation to suit their personal advantages and to confirm some sects in their customs and programs.

 

[eanassir]

So Liberalman, are you Jewish? You feel the Old Testament is the 'truth'? If someone could show you where the Old Testament foretells Christ, would it convince you that all of it is fact? Would something click for you?

Or are you just trolling for religious arguments?

His question is very strange.

Is Jesus Christ a prophet? Yes he is.

But is Jesus Christ a prophet according to the Old Testament? What does this mean?

Jesus was a prophet, whether foretold in the OT or not: this is evident to anyone who read the first sermon on the mount in the Gospel of Matthew; obviously his words were the words of an apostle of God;
then his answer to the Pharisee: "Why do you call me good? One is good that is God."
and his answer: "The first commandment is the most important of all the commandments"

But of course there are many prophecies in the OT foretelling his coming, as are there many prophecies in the New Testament foretelling his advent.

 

[krazedkat]

The old testament is a Jewish book. We don't believe Jesus to be the son of god OR a prophet, he was just a good man. Most of the old testament, or "Torah" was written in Babylon by the D writers I believe... There were the J, the E and the D writers, as far as I can remember.

 

[Cliffy]

The old testament is a Jewish book. We don't believe Jesus to be the son of god OR a prophet, he was just a good man. Most of the old testament, or "Torah" was written in Babylon by the D writers I believe... There were the J, the E and the D writers, as far as I can remember.

Could you provide a link. I have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure I am not the only one.

 

[krazedkat]

I mean JEDPR are the writers... Common Jewish knowledge. Do your own research -.-...