Stick to furnaces ger.
What do you think makes the bog to begin with? Decomposing organics,whats topsoil?
Ever had a compost Ger?
Hint-it comes from above and it's called sediments and accounts for all the coal seams in Canada.
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Stick to furnaces ger.
What do you think makes the bog to begin with? Decomposing organics,whats topsoil?
Ever had a compost Ger?
Hint-it comes from above and it's called sediments and accounts for all the coal seams in Canada.
Well unless you did a clever edit I'll call bull**** because you were even posting links to "oil production" from wells thinking it was coming from an oilsands project in cold lake,i'm not going to go back and look for them.
You didnt clue in untill I posted that it was production from in situ wells.:roll:
Now your backpeddaling,pretty funny.
Like Juan,your internet oilsands expertise garnered off of google was no match for us guys in the field.;-)
:lol: I dont comment on the furnace thread or other one's I know nothing about but your in my backyard with the patch or mining and a few other industries.
So stick to your forte and dont question mine if you havent a clue.
I'm not arrogant,I just tell it like it is.
You will noticed I havent reciprocated with any insults even though they were getting heavy at times when facts got in the way.
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Most everything above the caliche is organic and will support growth.
Organics are organics,period.
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This section is from the book "Stable Management And Exercise", by M. Horace Hayes. Also available from Amazon: Stable Management And Exercise.
Peat Moss (Moss Litter)
Origin And Nature
Peat is formed in more or less stagnant water, such as that of marshes, by the decomposition of bog plants, the chief of which is bog moss (Sphagnum). "Mosses of this genus grow in very wet situations and throw out new shoots in their upper parts whilst their lower parts are decaying and being converted into peat, so that shallow pools are gradually converted into bogs .... The formation of peat takes place only in the colder parts of the world. In warm regions the decay of vegetable substances after life has ceased, is too rapid" (Chambers' Encyclopoedia). Besides bog moss, we find among peat-producers, cotton-grass (Eriophorum angustifoliuni) and other sedges, horse-tails (Equisetum), heaths, and bog myrtle (Myrica gale). Drainage kills almost all bog plants. Peat is the first stage in the formation of ordinary coal; brown coal (lignite) being an intermediate one. The successive changes undergone by woody fibre, peat and lignite in the formation of coal, consist of a "peculiar decomposition or fermentation of buried vegetable matter, resulting in the separation of a large proportion of its hydrogen in the form of marsh-gas (CH4), and similar compounds, and of its oxygen in the form of carbonic acid gas (CO2), the carbon accumulating in the residue. Thus, cellulose (C6H10O5), which constitutes the bulk of woody fibre, might be imagined to decompose according to the equation 2C6H10O5 = 5CH4 + 5CO2 + C2 " (Bloxam). The conversion of bog plants into peat, somewhat resembles that of wood into charcoal, when it is burned in the presence of a narrowly limited supply of air.
The following table shows the respective percentages of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen in wood, peat, lignite, ordinary coal and anthracite : -
Carbon.
Hydrogen.
Oxygen
Wood .
100
12.18
83.07
Peat .
100
9.85
55.67
Lignite
100
8.37
42.42
South Wales coal.
100
4.75
5.28
Anthracite .
100
2.84
1.74
well...nice to see that you have finally put to rest the question of whether or not you have any working brain cells above your neck. If you are an example of the type of idiots that are responsible for "fixing" the mess the oil company's are making then peoples environmental concerns with the tar sands are very well founded.
I keep answering your same questions and I cant dumb it down much more then to tell you everything above non useable clay is stripped and stockpiled prior to any excavation.Thats everything above the clay.
Thats the law in Alberta for any excavation,no exceptions unless your a farmer.
What part of that dont you understand?
and I've already pointed out that the statements being made that things are put back to the way theu were are eroneous at best,or out right lies. Boreal forest being bulldozed down and replaced with grassland (Syncrude) is not back to the way they were.
It was pointed out that Alberta has loop holes in their reclamation laws that allow the oil company's to only put back to the same designation(ie agricultural land before, agricultural land after), you said no one uses that loop hole, Syncrude has.
Your statement that "organic matter is organic matter" shows a very simplistic view of the eco system. Your statement that peat bogs are no different than top soil just at different stage of decomposition shows your complete lack of understanding.
You have made it VERY clear that YOU should stick to operating a backhoe digging holes and filling them back in, because you have a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of different ecco systems, what they bring to the mix and how changing the bio diversity of those ecco systems can become a cluster f*ck in the long run.
It was pointed out that Alberta has loop holes in their reclamation laws that allow the oil company's to only put back to the same designation(ie agricultural land before, agricultural land after), you said no one uses that loop hole, Syncrude has.
Your statement that "organic matter is organic matter" shows a very simplistic view of the eco system. Your statement that peat bogs are no different than top soil just at different stage of decomposition shows your complete lack of understanding.
You have made it VERY clear that YOU should stick to operating a backhoe digging holes and filling them back in, because you have a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of different ecco systems, what they bring to the mix and how changing the bio diversity of those ecco systems can become a cluster f*ck in the long run.
The assertion that strip mining the tarsands does not irreparably destroy the boreal cover is fatuous at best!